Principal finds 94 ecstasy tablets in 15-year-old's bag

[Mao]

umm, just a friendly reminder: if tobacco accounts for 80% of all drug and alcohol related death, it means that cannabis related deaths are less than 20% of total, or less than 1/4 of tobacco related deaths..

[hard]

1. I don't think weed is "harmless"
2. I believe that it isn't as risky as alcohol or ciggarettes
3. You article doesn't support the idea that cannabis is just as risky as using alcohol or cigarretes.

I don't know how you could come to that conclusion based on that one article.

I believe there are leprechauns standing under my desk and they are telling me to drink up and get drunk on campus for St Patrick's Week. (This is not a pug for Green Week, which I believe is next week at Monash Clayton).

Just because you believe something to be true, does not mean it is true. Since you are asserting that cannabis "isn't as risky as alcohol or ciggarettes", you are the person who must provide the evidence to show that what you are attempting to assert is true. I shouldn't have to go on the Monash library service and waste MY internet allowance just for your benefit.

What I have asserted is that cannabis consumption is a known risk factor for schizophrenia and have demonstrated that there is scientific evidence to back this assertion up.

and? Many additives in food are known to cause behavioral problems http://www.naturalchild.com/research/food_additives.html so? there are many things that can cause many other things but you keep confining yourself to cannabis. If that's all we should do, focus on the negatives of one particular substance as opposed to the other 1 billion out there, then heck we should forget about all the problems in the world and focus solely on pollution, or terrorism etc.

[costargh]

umm, just a friendly reminder: if tobacco accounts for 80% of all drug and alcohol related death, it means that cannabis related deaths are less than 20% of total, or less than 1/4 of tobacco related deaths..

Yeh I didnt get how he couldnt draw that conclusion from the statistics but thought... meh stuff it, maybe hes talking about something differnt to what im talking about

[hard]

which is why i didn't criticize you for doing so.

Although most young people use cannabis in adolescence without harm, a vulnerable minority experience harmful outcomes.

yer and i think you should do the same:

I think you are...

i meant this

"You must note that never have I argued whether drugs should or should not be legalised."

huh? that line was posted after your quote... now I'm lost.

you quoted me saying something about minorities and you said yes you did criticize me but you misunderstood me as i was meant to say, "which is why i didn't criticize you" in relation to "note: i have not argued whether drugs should be legalized" thus my point still stands, i never critized you for arguing to whether cannabis should be legalized.

[Glockmeister]

umm, just a friendly reminder: if tobacco accounts for 80% of all drug and alcohol related death, it means that cannabis related deaths are less than 20% of total, or less than 1/4 of tobacco related deaths..

assuming that all cannabis-related deaths are recorded and placed into the dataset... which it probably isn't at the moment. It's probably hard to get that sort of data at the moment because of two major things

- Cannabis is illegal; hence some people won't admit they actually take the drug
- There are other possible causes for schizophrenia which means you can't put deaths from schizophrenia-related things into your dataset, because we can't determine at the moment if a particular person got schizophrenia because of cannabis use.

[hard]

umm, just a friendly reminder: if tobacco accounts for 80% of all drug and alcohol related death, it means that cannabis related deaths are less than 20% of total, or less than 1/4 of tobacco related deaths..

- There are other possible causes for schizophrenia which means you can't put deaths from schizophrenia-related things into your dataset, because we can't determine at the moment if a particular person got schizophrenia because of cannabis use.

so then how do you conclude that weed causes schizo?

[Glockmeister]

1. I don't think weed is "harmless"
2. I believe that it isn't as risky as alcohol or ciggarettes
3. You article doesn't support the idea that cannabis is just as risky as using alcohol or cigarretes.

I don't know how you could come to that conclusion based on that one article.

I believe there are leprechauns standing under my desk and they are telling me to drink up and get drunk on campus for St Patrick's Week. (This is not a pug for Green Week, which I believe is next week at Monash Clayton).

Just because you believe something to be true, does not mean it is true. Since you are asserting that cannabis "isn't as risky as alcohol or ciggarettes", you are the person who must provide the evidence to show that what you are attempting to assert is true. I shouldn't have to go on the Monash library service and waste MY internet allowance just for your benefit.

What I have asserted is that cannabis consumption is a known risk factor for schizophrenia and have demonstrated that there is scientific evidence to back this assertion up.

and? Many additives in food are known to cause behavioral problems http://www.naturalchild.com/research/food_additives.html so? there are many things that can cause many other things but you keep confining yourself to cannabis. If that's all we should do, focus on the negatives of one particular substance as opposed to the other 1 billion out there, then heck we should forget about all the problems in the world and focus solely on pollution, or terrorism etc.

I'm not going to go on that route, because that would be opening a new can of worms... suffice to say, you should be sceptical of any claim that says food is the cause of autism etc.

[Glockmeister]

umm, just a friendly reminder: if tobacco accounts for 80% of all drug and alcohol related death, it means that cannabis related deaths are less than 20% of total, or less than 1/4 of tobacco related deaths..

- There are other possible causes for schizophrenia which means you can't put deaths from schizophrenia-related things into your dataset, because we can't determine at the moment if a particular person got schizophrenia because of cannabis use.

so then how do you conclude that weed causes schizo?

You can't determine... put it this way... there's is no diagnostic tool we can use to determine this at autopsy, unlike cancers (we just don't know enough about schizophrenia). But you can determine in  a population of people by taking a sample of the population and getthose who have smoked cannabis and those that haven't and compare who gets diagnosed with schizophrenia over a long period of time.

Also, watch the word cause... I haven't mentioned the word cause unless I have been responding to you guys for a reason.

[costargh]

We make use of the statistics at our disposal.

That's what they're there for!

[TrueLight]

OMG this isn't a university essay in which we analyse correlation etc and peer reviewed journals........ its just a forum =( lol

[ninwa]

"accounting for 80% of all drug- or alcohol-related deaths."


I'm sure tobacco related deaths aren't on the spot sudden deaths!!!

I was going to edit to make my point clearer.

Your statistics are interesting, shocking in some respects, but it's logical structure is as good as Andrew Bolt reasoning i.e. pretty crap. The statistics don't make a comparison between I suppose the burden of tobacco/alcohol usage compared to cannabis usage, which is what you want if you want to say that tobacco is more dangerous than cannabis.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I *think* Glockmeister is saying to take into account the number of people who use tobacco/alcohol compared to cannabis. The fact that it accounts for 80% of deaths does not in of itself support the assertion that tobacco/alcohol is more dangerous than cannabis. If a lot more people used tobacco/alcohol then obviously a lot more people are going to die from it. To get any sort of meaning from those statistics, you'd need to find out what percentage of people use tobacco/alcohol on a regular basis compared with the percentage of people who use cannabis on a regular basis, and work out what percentage of users of each drug die.

Apologies if I've got that completely wrong Glockmeister, didn't get much sleep last night

[TrueLight]

new video on marijuana/drugs legalisation..

CNN Larry King Live: Ron Paul vs. Stephen Baldwin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8ZwH8xJmME


just finished watching RON PAUL kicked his ass

[excal]

umm, just a friendly reminder: if tobacco accounts for 80% of all drug and alcohol related death, it means that cannabis related deaths are less than 20% of total, or less than 1/4 of tobacco related deaths..

- There are other possible causes for schizophrenia which means you can't put deaths from schizophrenia-related things into your dataset, because we can't determine at the moment if a particular person got schizophrenia because of cannabis use.

so then how do you conclude that weed causes schizo?

By citing reputable research that suggests such?

[Glockmeister]

"accounting for 80% of all drug- or alcohol-related deaths."


I'm sure tobacco related deaths aren't on the spot sudden deaths!!!

I was going to edit to make my point clearer.

Your statistics are interesting, shocking in some respects, but it's logical structure is as good as Andrew Bolt reasoning i.e. pretty crap. The statistics don't make a comparison between I suppose the burden of tobacco/alcohol usage compared to cannabis usage, which is what you want if you want to say that tobacco is more dangerous than cannabis.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I *think* Glockmeister is saying to take into account the number of people who use tobacco/alcohol compared to cannabis. The fact that it accounts for 80% of deaths does not in of itself support the assertion that tobacco/alcohol is more dangerous than cannabis. If a lot more people used tobacco/alcohol then obviously a lot more people are going to die from it. To get any sort of meaning from those statistics, you'd need to find out what percentage of people use tobacco/alcohol on a regular basis compared with the percentage of people who use cannabis on a regular basis, and work out what percentage of users of each drug die.

Apologies if I've got that completely wrong Glockmeister, didn't get much sleep last night

I was falling asleep whilst I was writing this. You more or less nail it.

[hard]

umm, just a friendly reminder: if tobacco accounts for 80% of all drug and alcohol related death, it means that cannabis related deaths are less than 20% of total, or less than 1/4 of tobacco related deaths..

- There are other possible causes for schizophrenia which means you can't put deaths from schizophrenia-related things into your dataset, because we can't determine at the moment if a particular person got schizophrenia because of cannabis use.

so then how do you conclude that weed causes schizo?

By citing reputable research that suggests such?

what? the reputable citing does not prove that weed causes schizo. read it first.