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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2009, 01:18:06 am »
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"The invasion of Iraq created what the CIA calls a "training and recruiting ground" for al Qaeda wannabes in that land, though it seems the low numbers of so-called "foreign fighters" being brought into "al Qaeda in Iraq" have had even less influence than the skeptics had predicted.

These al Qaeda wannabes in Iraq have worn out their welcome with the local Sunni insurgency and have not been able to mount attacks outside Iraq. The local Sunnis tolerated them only as long as they were useful in fighting the occupation and were able to flick off "al Qaeda in Iraq" like a switch when they felt like it, as seen in the 2006–2007 "Sunni Awakening" in provinces where they had been welcomed.

The president threatens that if the U.S. withdraws, Osama bin Laden and his followers could somehow take over Iraq and create a new terrorist state bent on attacking the America. This just does not hold water. Osama's movement remains small and marginal. The "central front" in the fight against them is in the Waziristan region of Pakistan, not in far away Iraq.

The end of Saddam's rule has also empowered Iran, which has used the democracy provided by the American occupation to get their proxies elected to power. The Bush administration apparently tolerated this for no other reason than that the pro-Iran factions needed the U.S. occupation and so welcomed it, while the nationalist Shi'ite leaders like Muqtada al Sadr insisted on withdrawal. Were the American occupation to end, it is much more likely that nationalist types such as Sadr's Mahdi Army would drive the Iranians back to Persia.

Ironically, the U.S. has spent 2007 accusing Iran of backing and waging war against American forces in Iraq through the Sadrists, who are not Iranian proxies and who are not fighting the occupation. They have provided no evidence that this is the case and our Shi'ite allies in Iraq have nothing but praise for Iran's support of their government.

When it comes to Iran, Ron Paul's view isn't much different than that of Gen. John Abizaid, George Bush's former head of Central Command. The General stated recently that Iran is not much of a threat and still would not pose one were they to obtain nuclear weapons – an achievement they are years away from, according to Mike McConnell, Bush's National Intelligence Director.

The Iranians pose no real threat to Israel or the West. Their nuclear enrichment equipment is nothing more than first-generation crap bought second-hand from the Pakistanis, every bit of which is monitored by international inspectors. Ninety percent pure Uranium-235 or Plutonium-239 is needed to make an atom bomb; the Iranians have yet to enrich their uranium higher than 4 percent and could not do so in the presence of the International Atomic Energy Agency monitors and sensors. Harvesting plutonium from their nuclear reactors would take years and likewise could not even begin without everyone knowing.

Iran's much touted "support for international terrorism" has nothing whatsoever to do with Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda or the September 11th attacks on this country. Iran supports Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Gaza Strip. While often times extremely violent, these groups are not global in their reach, are not enemies of the United States and pose no threat to this country.

It has been claimed that the president of Iran, who actually holds the power of a glorified Secretary of the Interior, has threatened to "wipe Israel off the map," in a speech in October, 2005. But according to those who are fluent in Farsi, he said no such thing. What he said was that the "regime" over Jerusalem would one day "vanish from the page of time." This was not even a subtle or implied threat, much less a promise of imminent attack. The fact also remains that Iran has no capability to destroy Israel, conventionally, with nukes they don't have or through nearly powerless groups like Hamas.

No country in the world would attempt to "annihilate" Israel. The politician who did so would be dooming himself and his entire nation to perish in nuclear flames. Israel has at least 300 nuclear bombs and the delivery systems necessary to "wipe Persia off the map" in the space of an afternoon. As Paul has noted, the U.S. triumphantly faced down the Soviet Union (who actually were an existential threat), while our modern day think-tankers say the only way to deal with nearly-helpless Iran is with preemptive war.

Many Americans believe they need the government to defend them from "radical Islam," but those who hold truest to enforcing the strictest interpretations of Islam as a way of life have no chance of gaining or maintaining real dominance over humanity in the 21st century. Even if 100 impossibilities found Osama bin Laden leading the new caliphate in the Middle East, it would be as doomed as Communism was in the last century. Do we really fear that a stateless band of pirates in exile in the Hindu Kush will destroy us? Have we so much confidence in the capabilities of those who had to steal our planes in order to launch their Kamikaze attack and so little belief in the resilience of our own civilization?

Speaking of (Japanese Shintoist and Buddhist) Kamikazes, why should we believe that terrorism is intrinsically connected with Islam at all? Suicide bombings are rife in Sri Lanka where neither side is Muslim. By contrast, radical Islam is prevalent in Sudan, where it has no relationship to the current widespread violence (both sides are Sunni Arabs) and there has never been a suicide bombing. Did radical Catholicism motivate the IRA?

In the book Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism, Dr. Robert A. Pape's research shows that suicide terrorism is a strategic response to occupation by foreign armies, plain and simple. The only role religion plays in this struggle, according to Pape, is that the willingness of the occupied to resort to suicide attacks increases when the occupying army is made of people who come from far away, look different and believe differently due to the fear that their entire way of life will come under attack.

Americans are the same way. Our irrational fear that Arab Islamic terrorists from the Middle East are coming here to force us all to convert to Wahhabism has convinced us to spend thousands of lives, trillions of dollars, pass piles of new laws and nearly break our defenses in our efforts to preempt them. Now that's suicide.

The hyperbole about "radical Islam" has also helped to obscure divisions among those who oppose the U.S. in the Middle East and Central Asia. Even presidential candidates speak as though al Qaeda, the Ayatollahs in Iran, Sunni radicals in Palestine and Hezbollah in Lebanon are all one unified threat that must be "preempted." This may be good for defense manufacturing firms and votes, but if we can't even tell who our adversaries are, what distinguishes one from another, how are we supposed to win the fight?

A recent local newspaper story from Dr. Paul's Texas Gulf Coast district quoted one of his constituents complaining that if Paul were elected president and withdrew U.S. troops from the Middle East, we would have no oil at all. This is just not the case. In fact, it is the economic theory of mercantilism that Adam Smith refuted in The Wealth of Nations back in 1776.

It is not necessary for the Japanese, Chinese or Swiss to send armies to the Middle East in order to get the petroleum their economies demand. They simply buy it on the market like anything else. The only reason one would need the Marine Corps to "secure" the oil is to ensure which companies get to do the pumping and distributing. The fact that the price of oil is now approximately triple what it was before the war ought to tell us that someone is benefiting. But who? Is it you and me? Or is it politically connected big-wigs such as oil company shareholders and executives? The oil will always be for sale. Even if unfriendly regimes sit on the wells and sell only to others, it will free up other supplies elsewhere in the market and we'll be just fine.

It is a mistake to think of Ron Paul's foreign policy as some sort of liberal exception to the rest of his conservative outlook. Instead, his views follow the tradition of the Old Right Taft Republicans. They opposed foreign interventionism for the same reason America's founders did – out of caution for the inevitable domestic detriments that accompany permanent military establishments. It has only been since the Vietnam War era that the antiwar position has been perceived as the province of hippies and leftists. Paul's prescriptions for dealing with the world are the most conservative in the race. Meanwhile, the current National Security Strategy – unlikely to change substantively under Giuliani, Romney or Hillary administrations – is itself a radical doctrine, called "Hard Wilsonianism" by its closest adherents. Paul's policy is to pull back the empire in order to preserve the republic and the Constitution from the radical changes brought about by avoidable conflict. These are conservative principles of independence and prudence, friendly relations and open trade. As Gov. George W. Bush once advised,

"use of the military needs to be in our vital interest, the mission needs to be clear, and the exit strategy obvious. ... I think one way for us to end up being viewed as the ugly American is for us to go around the world saying, 'We do it this way. So should you.' ... I think the United States must be humble ... in how we treat nations that are figuring out how to chart their own course."

Sooner or later the U.S. must leave Iraq – for financial reasons if nothing else – and the jihadists will attempt to claim credit for it no matter when it happens. Leaving Iraq and the larger Middle East as a matter of principle, however, is the only way to do so with any hope of restoring some of the integrity that has been lost since the invasion. Dr. Paul believes we have no business maintaining a world empire and that its consequences cost us far more than the gains. A withdrawal from Iraq under a Ron Paul administration would not be a victory for the terrorists, but an event to which they quickly become irrelevant bystanders.

When someone finally captures or kills Osama bin Laden and his few hundred followers, the larger "Global War on Terrorism" must end as well. The sooner the U.S. disengages from the Middle East, the quicker al Qaeda's support will dry up. International cooperation from the various national police forces and intelligence agencies will be plenty to handle the problem. The more America intervenes in the affairs of others, the more blowback we can expect to suffer, but it is not too late to put our country back on the right track."

by David T. Beito and Scott Horton

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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2009, 01:22:03 am »
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interesting stuff...

Seymour Hersh: US is funding Al-Qaeda to counter Iran - 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnUWcjXvdlo&feature=PlayList&p=E07D3A6ED13BFA31&index=0&playnext=1
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Adolf Hitler

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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2009, 05:13:34 am »
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Ron Paul- Why is the U.S. military still in Afghanistan? 12/10/09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swmLyP63WUA



Ron Paul on Freedom Watch 14/10/09- on war in Afghanistan against taliban

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXRrLcmXla0
« Last Edit: October 16, 2009, 11:05:35 pm by TrueLight »
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2009, 09:18:52 pm »
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Ron Paul in a hearing on Afghanistan- ITS A DISASTER! 15/10/2009

"it looks like we have accepted this notion that perpetual war leads to perpetual peace"

"we never question whether pre-emptive war is a good strategy, and this is what this is all about pre-emptive war, starting wars, saying it's preventative but this is a completely un-American approach to fighting wars"

"i think the people in Afghanistan, the large majority, no matter what the reports are from the Administration, our puppet Administration, most people want us out of there, they don't want us in Pakistan, people in Pakistan don't want us there, people in Iraq don't want us there, IT'S OCCUPATION"

"PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO SACRIFICE THEIR LIFE TO MAKE A POINT, IS BECAUSE WE ARE SEEN AS FOREIGN OCCUPIERS, JUST AS THE SOVIETS WERE SEEN AS FOREIGN OCCUPIERS, JUST AS WE JOINED THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO WANTED TO THROW OUT THE FOREIGN OCCUPIERS IN THE PAST"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEDQ-QXtXcg
« Last Edit: October 17, 2009, 09:29:37 pm by TrueLight »
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2009, 08:56:23 pm »
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Ron Paul with Tavis Smiley on Afghanistan    21/10/09
and Karzai
puppet Afghan government- fraudulent elections etc...

"sometimes we turn on our puppets, i remember back in Vietnam days when Diem was our puppet, and we had our CIA overthrow him and actually kill him"
"it's getting pretty hard to defend him, so yes there has to be an election but i won't be surprised if our government quits supporting him, he can't exist without our support, so if we withdraw support....but the big problem is we don't have anyone to replace him"
"we ought to allow the Afghans to decide what kind of government they want, and they don't want a centralized government, they want tribalism, and we just can't change them, people have been trying to do that for centuries and it's just not going to happen"


also responds to question about if we pull out, the whole region will collapse

"staying there will cause more trouble, i think the fact that we've been there for 8 years and destabilized the area, Afghanistan isn't stable, now Pakistan isn't stable"...."now we're sending our drones over there and innocent people are getting killed and we're pretty soon going to think about what we have to do to stablize and get control of the weapons of Pakistan, at the same time they're planning on expanding the efforts to overthrow the government in Iran"... real strong sanctions and that's not going to help us...

"it's just an endless task to continue to try to nation build and police the world, we weren't meant to that and we can't afford it any longer and it all has ramifications and blowback phenomenons that will be hurtful to us, i think it's a real threat to our national security to be overly involved in that area"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbORVqzhkZI


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Ron Paul on foreign policy...wars... on CNN

Osama Bin Laden loves how we are in the middle east!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_66zbAEsUM
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2009, 04:54:30 am »
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Ron Paul: Sanctions on Iran are an Act of War October 28th 2009

Favourite quotes...

"When we went into Iraq there was a unintending consequences, there is still no stability there but one thing is certain is Iraq is a much closer ally of Iran right now, we throw the Iraqis into the hands of the Iranians"

"This is the best thing in the world for China, they are motivated, they have already invested in Iran, the production of petroleum products has gone up significantly in Iran"

"You're deliberately undermining the dissendence there"..."We ruin the dissending views that are operating in that country"

"We are willing to take on armed conflict"

"I am just disturbed by not looking through and looking at the ramifications, looking at the unintended consequences, and this pretense that we can just do this and everything is going to come out alright because i really believe in the long run, we will suffer, the people will suffer and there will not be more stability"

"Up until recently they couldn't even make their own gasolene but because of our pressure so far, they're getting quite capable of doing it. We're driving them into the hands of the Chinese, they have our money, they can control us through the dollar, and yet we're driving the Chinese into taking over, just as we drove the Iraqis to become close allies of the Iranians. I think our policies are deeply flawed, i say your motivations are fine and dandy, but motivations aren't the answer, we have to think of the consequences."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRZiOhd8tyg
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"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death."
Adolf Hitler

“The bigger the lie, the more inclined people will be to believe it”
Adolf Hitler

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just

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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2009, 11:55:24 pm »
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Ron Paul at the New Orleans Investment Conference 11/11/09

Sample

3:27
"So what has the candidate for peace been doing [Obama]. Well the first thing he did was he said he was going to wind the war down in Iraq, well he's only had 9 months, but there was a couple of troops that came home and they were replaced by private contractors. And the private contractors make twice or three times as much as our military personel, it's costing us more money, and the danger is still there and the timebomb is still there."

"So what are we doing in Afghanistan? Arguing over whether we should add 30000 or 40000 or 60000, so that war is being expanded."
"At the same time the war into Pakistan, the frontlines are moving over into Pakistan. Well they say the bad guys have moved out because now we occupy Afghanistan, so they're moving over into Pakistan, so it looks like we have to continue the bombing in Pakistan. Then we wonder why they get upset with us when we send drones over, we bomb people and civilians get killed, and then they wonder why should they be upset with us? What would we think? What is China did that to us? And what if they had a base on our country, we would be so outraged and yet the American people just let it go by and let it happen! And its bankrupting us! And on top of this plans are being laid for the day we drop bombs on Iran, sactions are going to increased..." and more...  


5:31 - 5:47  LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ykzKlRa49I


and i love this quote in part 4 of the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjPAJQb0I8

"What we have lost is not the words of the Constitution, we have lost the character of the nation"
"...because the people don't care and they send people up there that don't care either and they just totally ignore the Constitution. The Constitution is very limited, the Constitution, any document is only good as the people. If you have people without character, they're not going to obey it"

also 4:40 onwards... Ron Paul concludes very nicely with wise wise words
« Last Edit: November 13, 2009, 12:19:27 am by TrueLight »
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Adolf Hitler

“The bigger the lie, the more inclined people will be to believe it”
Adolf Hitler

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just

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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2009, 06:00:28 am »
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Ron Paul on the war overseas and 9/11

"...The planning was done in Spain and they were accepted there in legal bases, they were done in Germany they were accepted. In a matter of fact they even came to this country with legal visas. And i mean they were accepted by the countries and no no, we said it was the Taliban, its the people of Afghanistan, never questioning the fact that a few years back, back in 1989 when the Soviets were you know wrecking the place, we were allied with the people who were friends of Osama Bin Laden and we were over there trying to, you know support him..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaiKEWwDgUY

we never learn from history... we need to change course
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86AFDVAZpUQ&feature=related
« Last Edit: November 24, 2009, 06:39:38 am by TrueLight »
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Completed Bachelor of Science. Majored in Immunology and Microbiology.

“Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past.”
George Orwell, 1984.

"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death."
Adolf Hitler

“The bigger the lie, the more inclined people will be to believe it”
Adolf Hitler

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just

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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2009, 07:40:26 pm »
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Love love love this speech Ron Paul tells the Fox ppl about the Afghan war

Ron Paul-Dec. 02, 09-Fox Business: "Obama Preparing for Perpetual War"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_ALhRCUV34

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"perpetual war for perpetual peace"

Great Great Quote!!

It displays the absurdity of a preemptive war policy perfectly!!"


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Ron Paul Asks CFR Members Hillary Clinton and Robert Gates if they Support the Bush Doctrine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dqclmkxcRk
« Last Edit: December 03, 2009, 07:44:13 pm by TrueLight »
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Completed Bachelor of Science. Majored in Immunology and Microbiology.

“Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past.”
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"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death."
Adolf Hitler

“The bigger the lie, the more inclined people will be to believe it”
Adolf Hitler

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just

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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2009, 03:08:51 am »
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A neat 2:38 video that someone made with Ron Paul and a music clip

Title
'Ron Paul Speaks The Truth About Iraq, Neoconservatives, The Warhawk Left, & History'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IUyPV6398A

i liked this comment from a user

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It is well that war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it.
( Robert E. Lee )

History teaches that wars begin when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.
( Ronald Reagan )

The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations.
( David Friedman )

If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. you talk to your enemies.
( Moshe Dayan )"
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Adolf Hitler

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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2009, 08:58:48 pm »
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Afghanistan: Withdraw Rapidly and Completely
By Ron Paul
Published 12/12/09


Statement of Congressman Ron Paul
United States House of Representatives
Statement Before Foreign Affairs Committee
December 10, 2009



Mr. Speaker thank you for holding these important hearings on US policy in Afghanistan. I would like to welcome the witnesses, Ambassador Karl W. Eikenberry and General Stanley A. McChrystal, and thank them for appearing before this Committee.

I have serious concerns, however, about the president's decision to add some 30,000 troops and an as yet undisclosed number of civilian personnel to escalate our Afghan operation. This "surge" will bring US troop levels to approximately those of the Soviets when they occupied Afghanistan with disastrous result back in the 1980s. I fear the US military occupation of Afghanistan may end up similarly unsuccessful.

In late 1986 Soviet armed forces commander, Marshal Sergei Akhromeev, told then-Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev, "Military actions in Afghanistan will soon be seven years old. There is no single piece of land in this country which has not been occupied by a Soviet soldier. Nonetheless, the majority of the territory remains in the hands of rebels." Soon Gorbachev began the Soviet withdrawal from its Afghan misadventure. Thousands were dead on both sides, yet the occupation failed to produce a stable national Afghan government.

Eight years into our own war in Afghanistan the Soviet commander's words ring eerily familiar. Part of the problem stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation. It is our presence as occupiers that feeds the insurgency. As would be the case if we were invaded and occupied, diverse groups have put aside their disagreements to unify against foreign occupation. Adding more US troops will only assist those who recruit fighters to attack our soldiers and who use the US occupation to convince villages to side with the Taliban.

Proponents of the president's Afghanistan escalation cite the successful "surge" in Iraq as evidence that this second surge will have similar results. I fear they might be correct about the similar result, but I dispute the success propaganda about Iraq. In fact, the violence in Iraq only temporarily subsided with the completion of the ethnic cleansing of Shi'ites from Sunni neighborhoods and vice versa -- and all neighborhoods of Christians. Those Sunni fighters who remained were easily turned against the foreign al-Qaeda presence when offered US money and weapons. We are increasingly seeing this "success" breaking down: sectarian violence is flaring up and this time the various groups are better armed with US-provided weapons. Similarly, the insurgents paid by the US to stop their attacks are increasingly restive now that the Iraqi government is no longer paying bribes on a regular basis. So I am skeptical about reports on the success of the Iraqi surge.

Likewise, we are told that we have to "win" in Afghanistan so that al-Qaeda cannot use Afghan territory to plan further attacks against the US. We need to remember that the attack on the United States on September 11, 2001 was, according to the 9/11 Commission Report, largely planned in the United States (and Germany) by terrorists who were in our country legally. According to the logic of those who endorse military action against Afghanistan because al-Qaeda was physically present, one could argue in favor of US airstrikes against several US states and Germany! It makes no sense. The Taliban allowed al-Qaeda to remain in Afghanistan because both had been engaged, with US assistance, in the insurgency against the Soviet occupation.

Nevertheless, the president's National Security Advisor, Gen. James Jones, USMC (Ret.), said in a recent interview that less than 100 al-Qaeda remain in Afghanistan and that the chance they would reconstitute a significant presence there was slim. Are we to believe that 30,000 more troops are needed to defeat 100 al-Qaeda fighters? I fear that there will be increasing pressure for the US to invade Pakistan, to where many Taliban and al-Qaeda have escaped. Already CIA drone attacks on Pakistan have destabilized that country and have killed scores of innocents, producing strong anti-American feelings and calls for revenge. I do not see how that contributes to our national security.

The president's top advisor for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, said recently, "I would say this about defining success in Afghanistan and Pakistan. In the simplest sense, the Supreme Court test for another issue, we'll know it when we see it." That does not inspire much confidence.

Supporters of this surge argue that we must train an Afghan national army to take over and strengthen the rule and authority of Kabul. But experts have noted that the ranks of the Afghan national army are increasingly being filled by the Tajik minority at the expense of the Pashtun plurality. US diplomat Matthew Hoh, who resigned as Senior Civilian Representative for the U.S. Government in Zabul Province, noted in his resignation letter that he "fails to see the value or the worth in continued U.S. casualties or expenditures of resources in support of the Afghan government in what is, truly, a 35-year old civil war." Mr. Hoh went on to write that "[L]ike the Soviets, we continue to secure and bolster a failing state, while encouraging an ideology and system of government unknown and unwanted by [the Afghan] people."

I have always opposed nation-building as unconstitutional and ineffective. Afghanistan is no different. Without a real strategy in Afghanistan, without a vision of what victory will look like, we are left with the empty rhetoric of the last administration that "when the Afghan people stand up, the US will stand down." I am afraid the only solution to the Afghanistan quagmire is a rapid and complete US withdrawal from that country and the region. We cannot afford to maintain this empire and our occupation of these foreign lands is not making us any safer. It is time to leave Afghanistan.
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Re: Foreign Policy
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Ron Paul On House Floor - Debate On Iran Sanctions!    16/12/09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is9gHHKQNYo
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Adolf Hitler

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just

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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2009, 08:22:22 pm »
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Ron Paul on Foreign Policy in the Middle East (12/22/09)

"the war is spreading, it's going into Pakistan, now it's going into Yemen. The border dispute between the Iranians and Iraqis is designed i believe, to make sure that the American people are conditioned that some day we're going to have take on the Iranian government, we have to have regime change is our policy."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMpmohzPdVM
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Adolf Hitler

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just

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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2009, 09:34:58 pm »
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Ron Paul gives his thoughts on Yemen, the attempted airline bombing, the motivations of Al Qaeda, the radicalization of the Middle East, and the negation of our liberties to government provided "security."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjIz4M1Tn-A

and heres a clip of Ron Paul on Larry King live

Ben Stein calls Ron Paul Antisemitic on Larry King!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbKypqXADk
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Re: Foreign Policy
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Changing the Narrative for War
By Philip Giraldi
Published 12/29/09

"In spite of the calamities of the past eight years, there continues to be no shortage of neoconservatives in one's face in the media, advising their fellow Americans that wars can be won quickly and decisively and that using military force to change how other nations behave is sound policy. The Washington Post features Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, all three Kagans, John Bolton, and Eliot Cohen on a regular basis. The Wall Street Journal editorial page is the epicenter for those who favor muscular interventionism. The New York Times, America's most influential newspaper, is somewhat more circumspect, featuring neocons-lite David Brooks and Thomas Friedman regularly, but also including the more measured foreign policy analysis of Frank Rich and Roger Cohen. But even at its best The Times never really breaks the mold by bringing in someone who rejects the entire American imperial and interventionist enterprise. Such individuals do exist and many appear regularly at Ron Paul events and on Campaign for Liberty, but it is as if the mainstream media has decided that such views are outside the pale, the journalistic equivalent of praising Mussolini for making the trains run on time or advocating the disenfranchisement of women voters. And occasionally the Times features a real game breaker that goes in the other direction in the form of an op-ed that sets new benchmarks in terms of audacious support of Washington's self proclaimed right to enforce its own standards on the world. Such an op-ed was "There's Only One Way to Stop Iran" by Professor Alan J. Kuperman which, ironically, appeared on Christmas Eve.

As a former intelligence officer I frequently shake my head when I read a piece like "There's Only One Way to Stop Iran" because I know exactly how what the Soviets used to call disinformation works. When the policy stinks and you have to create buzz about it anyway, you dig up someone who can plausibly describe himself as an "expert" and then find some obliging folks in the media to publish a piece that enables you to change the story line. That is what I used to do myself back in the days when I was working hard to demonize the Soviets. Take an incident or development, twist it a bit so you can come to a conclusion that is at odds with the facts, get your paid asset to write it up, hand it over to another paid agent in the media, and then let it fly. It will be picked up here and there, spread around the world and incorporated into other news coverage, and eventually everyone is saying we have to stand up to the Russians. Or Chinese. Or Iranians. Or the Yemenis.

Recently we have seen change the narrative applied to justify all sorts of outrages, including the pastel revolutions in Eastern Europe, where, so the accepted story goes, brave bands of reformers took on corrupt and authoritarian old regime leaders. The reality was much different, with European and American Non-Government Organizations funding one group of criminals against another with not a touch of genuine reform in sight. And then there is poor little Georgia, hardly plausible that Tbilisi might have been the aggressor against Russia, was it? But it was (John McCain please take note).

That kind of narrative shift is precisely what Kuperman and those who are like minded are doing, changing the story to turn black into white to make war appear to be the only option to resolve a thorny international problem. Appearing in The Times is particularly damaging because when the Grey Lady gives over its pages to someone like Kuperman they are providing their seal of approval and legitimizing his point of view. Even if they don't explicitly endorse the article they are in effect saying that the argument is extremely credible and worth considering. With the Times imprimatur, the story then becomes part of the broader neoconservative narrative which can exploit the appearance in the Times to convince Americans that a war against Iran would not be such a bad thing and could, in fact, be the best way to eliminate the possibility that Tehran might develop a nuclear weapon.

The only problem is that the entire Kuperman narrative is itself nonsense. It starts by rejecting negotiations over the Iranian nuclear program after assuming that something is true, namely that Iran is seeking a nuclear weapon. There is no evidence that that is the case and even the US intelligence community continues to assert that Iran abandoned its weapons program in 2003. It then goes on to assume that any agreement with Iran to enable it to buy enriched fuel for electricity generation will inevitably lead to the uranium being further enriched to weapons grade. That amounts to taking a worst case scenario and combining it with another worst case scenario to draw a conclusion. Kuperman then piles on a third worst case assumption, that Iran would unhesitatingly hand over its expensively acquired nuclear deterrent weapon to a terrorist group. In baseball, three strikes and you are out, but apparently three non sequiturs in a single article does not rule you out for a New York Times op-ed.

Kuperman then describes the mechanics of defanging Iran, how taking out the country's alleged nuclear sites would be quick and relatively painless with little in the way of collateral damage to the US. Does anyone hear the word cakewalk? Kuperman has clearly not spent much time in the real world. Using American air power to attack Iran would be piling Pelion on Ossa, with terrible consequences including making it far more likely that Tehran will actively seek a nuclear weapon while guaranteeing a wave of terrorism that could well become global. There would also be a major spike in oil prices that would sink the already struggling American economy, whether or not the US Navy succeeds in controlling the Straits of Hormuz. Kuperman concedes that military action could backfire, but he draws on the analogy of the completely dissimilar Israeli destruction of Iraq's Osirak reactor in 1981, which he regards as a success. He notes somewhat ominously that Iran's much larger infrastructure would require repeated bombings coupled with the threat to use still more force if Tehran were to retaliate. It all sounds a bit like the Cheney doctrine of first attacking Iran and then threatening it with nuclear weapons if it seeks to defend itself. On an optimistic note, Kuperman also throws in a final added benefit to a bit of devastating aerial bombardment, concluding that "air strikes against Iran would be a strong warning to other would-be proliferators."

Actually, they wouldn't be. Attacking Iran would not necessarily destroy its ability to build an atom bomb if it chooses to do so and would only encourage other potential proliferators to proliferate, if only to obtain a deterrent against being bombed by the United States or Israel. Also, thousands of completely innocent Iranians would die, which does not appear to be a consideration that bothers Kuperman very much. As Ron Paul and others have warned, yet another illegal war of choice in the Middle East would inflict damage on the US constitution and the rule of law and would also be a human and economic catastrophe both for Iran and the United States. It would likely not do much good for Israel either. Kuperman surely understands that. The op-ed by-line indicates that Professor Alan J. Kuperman is director of the Nuclear Proliferation Prevention Program at the University of Texas. If a sustained bombing campaign is the best policy that the Prevention Program can come up with it is perhaps time for the good people in Texas to begin to wonder what exactly their tax dollars are supporting."

Philip Giraldi
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=482


some of this reminds me of the book 1984.... where it mentions (memory failing...) how if you keep repeating lies then ppl will believe it or something about changing history books...eh
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“Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past.”
George Orwell, 1984.

"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death."
Adolf Hitler

“The bigger the lie, the more inclined people will be to believe it”
Adolf Hitler

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just