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General Discussion => Sport => General Discussion Boards => Australian Football (AFL) => Topic started by: Predator on March 19, 2011, 12:31:45 pm
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Thought I would get this started since it is less than a week away now and there is no existing thread.
Will be an interesting season with a lot of traffic I reckon in the 8-12 spots on the ladder.
Here is a template for everyone to use for their season predictions.
Premiers:
Wooden Spoon:
Brownlow Medal Winner:
Coleman Medal Winner:
Big Improvers:
Team on the Decline:
Good luck to everyones team in the 2011 AFL Season.
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Premiers: I wish it wasn't, but Collingwood still looks the best
Wooden Spoon: Gold Coast
Brownlow: Dane Swan (Collingwood)
Coleman: Not sure... (But Jack Riewoldt won't get it again)
Big Improvers: Essendon and Adelaide
Team on the Decline: Geelong and Brisbane Lions
GO ESSENDON!
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There are AN supercoach and dreamteam leagues somewhere.
Premiers: Pies/Dogs
Wooden Spoon: West Coast
Brownlow Medal Winner: Ablett
Coleman Medal Winner: should be Franklin by at least a dozen
Big Improvers: Essendon
Team on the Decline: Geelong
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Premiers: Collingwood (Yay go us :D) (It will be intresting to see how the top 3 pans out)
Wooden Spoon: Brisbane/Gold Coast
Brownlow Medal Winner: Scott Pendlebury
Coleman Medal Winner: Buddy Franklin
Big Improvers: Essendon, Richmond, Melbourne and Adelaide (LOL like 1/4 of the league :P)
Team on the Decline: StKilda (Tipping them to just mkae top 4)
There is a bit of bias in my view tho :P Also what are your thoughts for top 4??
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Top 4 will almost certainly be Dogs/Saints/Cats/Pies
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I want Freo to make the top 4 instead of Collingwood, just because I feel sorry for them and I hate Collingwood. But I don't think there is any chance of that happening.
Realistically:
1. Collingwood
2. Saints
3. WB
4. Geelong (only just though)
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Do you guys think that Hawks are a chance at all for top 4? If Buddy is on fire most of the season, Mitchell, Hodge, Burguone, Cyril play well and dont get injured they will almost certainly make top 4. But IMO their guns need to be on the ball and their defence cant afford to suffer Gibson, and Roughead needs to play well. So if all that happens they're definitely a good chance.
Freo will probably drop down to 5-7th purely due to them having a big injury list.
My Top 4:
1) Collingwood
2) Western Bulldogs
3) StKilda
4) Hawthorn
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I rate Geelong as better than Hawthorn for the 2011 season. Losing Ablett obviously hurts and their key players are getting older but they're still very good. I wouldn't expect them to drop out of the top4
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Premiers: Carlton
Wooden Spoon: Brisbane
Brownlow Medal Winner: Dane Swan
Coleman Medal Winner: Jack Riewolt
Big Improvers: Richmond+Melbourne
Team on the Decline: Essendon
Top 4:
Collingwood
St Kilda
Carlton
Sydney
CARN THE BLUES
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Intresting top 4 chris.
I agree that Geelong will still be a strong team, but still feel that they are lacking a bit of speed altho they do have some quick players. THis is the same as Saints and they havent really improved their list over the last 2 years or so.
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Bombers a certainty to make the 8 and top 4 contenders. Don't really care about the rest :)
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Bombers are not top4 contenders until at least the end of April and you can quote me on this
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Bombers are not top4 contenders until at least the end of April and you can quote me on this
100% Agreed. IMO essendon fans are getting way ahead of themselves and soon enough they will be struck with a reality check.
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Bombers are not top4 contenders until at least the end of April and you can quote me on this
100% Agreed. IMO essendon fans are getting way ahead of themselves and soon enough they will be struck with a reality check.
Meh. It was still an awesome win :D
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It definitely was but remember the dogs had a few key defenders out. Although i have to admit you guys played very well.
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Bombers are not top4 contenders until at least the end of April and you can quote me on this
100% Agreed. IMO essendon fans are getting way ahead of themselves and soon enough they will be struck with a reality check.
I agree, we might lose the grand final.
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Bombers are not top4 contenders until at least the end of April and you can quote me on this
100% Agreed. IMO essendon fans are getting way ahead of themselves and soon enough they will be struck with a reality check.
I agree, we might lose the grand final.
That's what im talking about... lol Solid chance for top 8, but for me when/if you guys win say 7/10 of your first games (I dont know what your fixture is tho) , then ill consider you to be a top 4 chance and possibly premiership contenders.
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lol premiership contenders
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How much is Gold Coast going to go down by this week?
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45 points. Judd is goin to be my supercoach captain, predicting him to tear apart their midfield.
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Carlton didn't play that great last week, I think 45 is flattering them (I tipped 30 for my tipping comp discriminator)
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45 points. Judd is goin to be my supercoach captain, predicting him to tear apart their midfield.
I think thats about right
Carlton didn't play that great last week, I think 45 is flattering them (I tipped 30 for my tipping comp discriminator)
Round 1, and GC is much, much worse than Richmond. I don't think Ablett will be so good when not surrounded by good players.
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I cant see GC doing too well, they have too many young and smaller bodies. Word is Harris has a bit of a niggle so they are already missing a player that does all the grunt work. Their midfield should be ok, but Carlton would probably over run them.
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Does anyone think the Saints can lose?
atm, they are down by one in Q3!
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Tipped the Tigers :) Saints looking slow.
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LOL! It was a draw. Saints don't seem like Premiership contenders atm
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Tigers looked good even without Riewoldt!!! I've said this before and many other times, Saints are too slow. They havent really changed their line up much, they havent traded for many newer players and most significantly their stars are getting older...
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Sooo who will challenge Collingwood this year?
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Sooo who will challenge Collingwood this year?
Essendon :D
But seriously, the only decent teams atm look like Geelong and Adelaide. GC is also making Carlton look good today.
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Its boys vs men....
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Its boys vs men....
True, but at least they made it to double figures. I'm really hoping that the difference does not get to three figures, because that would be a confidence disaster.
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Its looks as tho its going to be a blow out.
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Its looks as tho its going to be a blow out.
lolz, 119 points
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Fuck it, sack the coaches (essendon.)
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Fuck it, sack the coaches (essendon.)
HAHAHAHA YES!!!! That would be gold.
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Essendon vs Carlton right now!
Hope Essendon can win!
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Essendon vs Carlton right now!
Hope Essendon can win!
Draw... -.- That's 3 for the year.
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Essendon vs Carlton right now!
Hope Essendon can win!
Draw... -.- That's 3 for the year.
Disappointing, but with the injuries early on, not a bad result
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And I was put off tipping the draw because of the 2 we'd already had :(
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It's hard to tip a draw, but i think rnd 5 may have some opportunities most of those should be pretty close imo.
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Thought I would bump this thread.
Seems to the top 4 spots are certain with only West Coast able to bump Carlton out of 4th spot.
The race for the final 8th spot is also widely open with Fremantle, Essendon, North and even Melbourne/Bulldogs a chance to grab the final spot.
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Thought I would bump this thread.
Seems to the top 4 spots are certain with only West Coast able to bump Carlton out of 4th spot.
The race for the final 8th spot is also widely open with Fremantle, Essendon, North and even Melbourne/Bulldogs a chance to grab the final spot.
After the doggies close loss this weekend, I doubt they'll be able to make it now. Essendon and Freo are massively under-resourced with the heavy injury list they got and melb just cant seem to string consecutive wins. I'm liking North for that final spot.
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The mighy pies are rolling along nicely :)
Freo should manage to get eighth spot.
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Hoping Carlton can stay in the top 4, maybe even move up to 3rd if we can manage to knock off hawthorn in a couple weeks.
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Hoping Carlton can finish fourth so the mighty Pies can flog the living daylights out of them come finals!
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Hoping Carlton can finish fourth so the mighty Pies can flog the living daylights out of them come finals!
Heheh doesnt bother me, I'd prefer to play west coast... As long as we dont get Hawks im happy :)
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Anyone think Freo will be in the 8? If not, who'll take the last spot?
(I hope the Bombers, but they are badly bruised up atm :()
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shame bailey got sacked. He was actually a decent coach but just never had the opportunity to show it with is playing group.
Big loss to Cats was one terrible game, but Melbourne were on the incline. Knee - jerk reaction by melbourne i feel
yeah i hate it when a club isnt going too well then everyone starts calling for them to get sacked.
it's the media's fault. they advertise it like crazy making the supporters hysterical which gives the club no other option but to sack the coach :/
imho melbourne have a good looking list and can probably contest in finals within the next 2-3 years.
imagine the uproar if they sneak into eigth this year!
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fookin bombers ruined by injuries, imagine the run and structure we would have if you add, dempsey, winderlich, hurley, fletch, pears, hocking, myers, colyer, a super fit watson, and gumbleton
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omg omg omg my poor demons are hopeless!!
Bloody demote Green as captain, he hasnt done shit!!!!!
poor jimmy Stynes, hope he gets better soon.
We shud be going all out for Malthouse to be our next coach :)
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Another coach is now gone with Rodney Eade leaving the Dogs.
Will likely end up at Melbourne or possibly Adelaide one would think.
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Another coach is now gone with Rodney Eade leaving the Dogs.
Will likely end up at Melbourne or possibly Adelaide one would think.
I would say Melbourne.
Cmon Pies i wanna see a 150 point thrashing this week :P
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errr nty Eade..
i would rather see Melbourne appoint Clarkson, MM, Roos, Leon Cameron, Mark Neeld, Gary Ayres, Choco Or Anderson
then Eade....
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Honestly i dont think MM will leave collingwood well not at the end of this year. he might at the end of next year, but he isnt the kind of guy to go back on his word.
Clarkson will most likely stay with the Hawks considering how they've been going this year.
But yeah anyone could end up as the Melbourne coach, but the board wont want to make another mistake so they should go all out and get who they truly want.
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Well MM was on the footy show that he wont be staying unless his new Director of Coaching role actually means he does something meaningful. And then i reckon the CFF and Eddie pressured MM into saying that he wont be leaving EOS. MM said himslef that MElbourne has the most potential going forward..
Eddie is such a hypocrite in saying that he will pursue any clubs trying to poach MM both legally and morally. i mean didnt he get MM from WCE when he was still under contract???
yea Clarkson, MM and Roos are all highly unlikely to be at Melbourne next season.
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I reckon it was the right time for Eade to go. He gave it his best and got them to 3 prelims. They're heading into a rebuilding phase and I think new blood will give them a fresh perspective on how to get back to the top. I've always admired Eade. He did really well with quite an average list and really got the most out of a lot of players.
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yeah i reckon the main reason they didn't renew his contract, is would they want eade working at the club for 10 years, 13 years? Especially when a premiership is unrealistic in that time period. Primus has made a mess of it at Port. Eade may go there in 1 year (end of 2012)
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Why was it time for Eade to go??? what has he done wrong??
The doggies have been ravaged by injuries that kept their top players out for most of this year. Including an All-Australian backman and a brownlow medalist. and Now that Morris has a broken leg, they literally have no defenders.
I dont really agree that you need new blood to provide fresh prospective. John Worsfold this year proved that after being in the top job for 8+ years, he can still rally and galvanise the troops from the wooden spooners to top four contenders.
WCE last year were in the same position as WBD this year. They had a multiple All-Australian Ruckman, their club captain and best and fairest winner and not to metion Kerr, all missing significant chunks of the season. And now that they are all fit and firing. voila!
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That's what happens when the media scrutinise a club when they arent performing well - they dont give a shit if the team's best player is out, all they want is something to publish. Dogs were probably a team who were top 4 contenders and to some premiership contenders. Hmmm doesnt really make sense to me, they will probably come back next season and make top 8. But they do have an aging list.... I reckon they shouldve kept him for another year, at least.
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didn't say he did anything wrong (apart from maybe not adopting forward press). But realistically you have to say, well, he's been here 7 years. We had a good run and a good crack but our list is getting old and we need to rebuild. Leigh Matthews says 7 years is the longest one should stay. In 3 years (a contract extension) eade will have been there for 10... he will be there for at least 15 (total) before they have another crack. That is definitely too long
I really dont understand the mentality people have towards long-serving coaches. It all depends on the quality of the coach and how professional he is. Not a preset number of years before the coach is moved on.
MFC with Norm smith won SIX!! bloody premierships between 1952–1965... it was one of the most successful era ever for a football club. However the year they sacked Smith, the demons failed to make the finals for the first time in 11 years and they didnt make one final until 1987.
It's quite irrelevant the amount of years a coach as been in the top job.... If he has the capacity and the eagerness to do keep coaching (with the players support of course) then i dont see why Eade can't keep going.
And i think you are giving up on your club a bit too quickly... some good list management and you guys should be back in the eight next year. lol no way will you have to wait another 5 years. List management and recruiting isn't even Eade's job.... thats why they hire separate personnel for those job.
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firstly, i don't even support the dogs. Neither am i saying that sacking Eade was the right decision. All I am saying is i see the board's train of thought and agree with them to an extent. Eade has already been there 7 years and gone through one cycle. They did not even get to a grand final. The calibre of players that have gone / going out over these few years is too much to cope with (hall, johnson etc.) And when did i even talk about list managment :S
Didn't even make a grand final?? By your logic i could say all the coaches for saint kilda from 1966 onwards (including ross lyon) are/were shit, worthless people who should never have been hired.
The dogs made plenty of finals before Hall joined the party. And tbh he was 32?? when he moved over to WBD?? and i actually think that Barry Hall made the WBD forward line a lot more one-dimensional and predictable. Their strength was the fact they had plenty of players who kicked 30+ goals for the season. After Hall came that number dramatically reduced.
And Brad Johnson was nothing more than a handy half-forward for the last couple of years of his career (in which they made prelims), he actually became detrimental to the team towards the end of his career. When he was in his prime, the dogs were actually in the bottom eight.
and lastly..lol
you talked about your list getting old and that the dogs need to rebuild? that = list management and recruitment. Which as i reiterate is more primarily the duty of a list manager/recruiter
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firstly, i don't even support the dogs.
We had a good run and a good crack but our list is getting old and we need to rebuild.
I thought you did as well from that statement.
Anywho Dogs still have a decent list imo. Cooney and Griffin are hitting their prime, they have guys like Grant and Roughead who are coming along nicely along with Ward and Higgins. Yes most of their big players are 30~ but that's not gonna stop them making finals next year. Personally i think Dogs and Saints should've recruited a couple of players since the 2009.
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Bulldogs aren't gone yet. We've had a horror run this year and had some crap luck last year, otherwise we could well have been in (lost) the grand final to Collingwood. If Hall goes then the forward line will hopefully return to its pre-2010 state of unpredictable goals and high activity.
I'm ambivalent on Eade leaving. He could have stayed, could have left, there are good arguments for both decisions.
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firstly, i don't even support the dogs. Neither am i saying that sacking Eade was the right decision. All I am saying is i see the board's train of thought and agree with them to an extent. Eade has already been there 7 years and gone through one cycle. They did not even get to a grand final. The calibre of players that have gone / going out over these few years is too much to cope with (hall, johnson etc.) And when did i even talk about list managment :S
Didn't even make a grand final?? By your logic i could say all the coaches for saint kilda from 1966 onwards (including ross lyon) are/were shit, worthless people who should never have been hired.
The dogs made plenty of finals before Hall joined the party. And tbh he was 32?? when he moved over to WBD?? and i actually think that Barry Hall made the WBD forward line a lot more one-dimensional and predictable. Their strength was the fact they had plenty of players who kicked 30+ goals for the season. After Hall came that number dramatically reduced.
And Brad Johnson was nothing more than a handy half-forward for the last couple of years of his career (in which they made prelims), he actually became detrimental to the team towards the end of his career. When he was in his prime, the dogs were actually in the bottom eight.
and lastly..lol
you talked about your list getting old and that the dogs need to rebuild? that = list management and recruitment. Which as i reiterate is more primarily the duty of a list manager/recruiter
I didn't say Eade did badly at recruiting which is what you implied.
Don't chuck words into my mouth. What are you talking about? The bulldogs were expected to peak in 08-11 and to at least reach a GF
If their peak is a prelim loss, their not good enough
firstly, i don't even support the dogs.
We had a good run and a good crack but our list is getting old and we need to rebuild.
I thought you did as well from that statement.
Anywho Dogs still have a decent list imo. Cooney and Griffin are hitting their prime, they have guys like Grant and Roughead who are coming along nicely along with Ward and Higgins. Yes most of their big players are 30~ but that's not gonna stop them making finals next year. Personally i think Dogs and Saints should've recruited a couple of players since the 2009.
i was trying to speak from the board's POV
cbs arguing more. I have nothing to gain from this when you just chuck words into my mouth. I don't even have a contention. I'm just saying i see why the board did it and agree to an extent. In some ways at least it is the correcdt decision
(http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/7680/crywoldt300x240.jpg)
sorry i couldnt resist :P
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Even better moment: Shaw stealing/smothering the ball when he was llike 2m out :p
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Great job Collingwood FC, very happy that we've secured Swan, Pendles and Thomas. All we need now, is for Maxwell to hand the captaincy over to Pendles then he'll be here for the next 5+ years :P
Pies by 32 tonight.
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Great job Collingwood FC
+1, they lost by 96 points. Best game this year in terms of the result :)
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Great job Collingwood FC
+1, they lost by 96 points. Best game this year in terms of the result :)
i thought both teams were gonna take it easy xD a big loss is good in that it should fire up the team next week!!
Lol how was the a good game in terms of the result? Collingwood getting smashed?.. hhaaha
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Lol how was the a good game in terms of the result? Collingwood getting smashed?.. hhaaha
Pretty much :) As an essendon supporter, I love to see collingwood get the collywobbles, esp as it is so close to finals!
Why is collingwood a team that one either hates or loves?
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Why is collingwood a team that one either hates or loves?
Because most ppl go for either Bombers, Blues, Hawks or Richmond. Who all have a strong sense of hatred towards each other. But i hate the saints the most :P
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You're right, I dislike all of Richmond, Collingwood, Carlton and the Hawks.
I feel sorry for Fremantle though, I can't see them ever winning a flag with their Melbourne record.
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Yeah freo have been really unlucky this year, they should make top 8 next season but yeah their interstate record isnt too good..
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lol the colliewobbles!!!!!!!
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Pwwwooooaahhhhhh!!! What a bloody amazing game!
Looking foward t the granny next week :D Pendles for brownlow :P
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I think the two Carlton boys will have the Browlow locked up, just not sure which one
Good game, unfortunately Collingwood won :(
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Pwwwooooaahhhhhh!!! What a bloody amazing game!
Looking foward t the granny next week :D Pendles for brownlow :P
Best game I've ever been to!
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errr nty Eade..
i would rather see Melbourne appoint Clarkson, MM, Roos, Leon Cameron, Mark Neeld , Gary Ayres, Choco Or Anderson
then Eade....
YAY
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Bloody dogs at melb stole our midfield coach!
Brownlow is hardish to predict nowadays......
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Bloody dogs at melb stole our midfield coach!
Brownlow is hardish to predict nowadays......
You mean the Juddlow??
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Bloody dogs at melb stole our midfield coach!
Brownlow is hardish to predict nowadays......
You mean the Juddlow??
Judd should've given Swan last years brownlow while he was at it :D
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Bloody dogs at melb stole our midfield coach!
Brownlow is hardish to predict nowadays......
You mean the Juddlow??
Judd should've given Swan last years brownlow while he was at it :D
Swan deserved it last year, and Judd this year imo.
GO PIES!! Pendles for Norm smith <3
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Everyone in Melbourne except for pies supporters are celebrating atm...
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^ LOL - that's the gist of my FB feed.
Malthouse is gone - a silly decision from Collingwood to frame such a contract in the first place.
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Malthouse is gone - a silly decision from Collingwood to frame such a contract in the first place.
It wasnt at the time, it looked as tho he didnt have much more to offer the club and we wanted bucks as head coach, but he needed some guidance and experience first.
Everyone, especially the media think that this will fall into pieces. I cant wait to see bucks new game plan!
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What evidence did they have to make a transition to Bucks? The main thing I see going for Bucks is his competitiveness and motivation, but Malthouse (to the extent that an outsider can tell) is an outstanding coach.
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What evidence did they have to make a transition to Bucks? The main thing I see going for Bucks is his competitiveness and motivation, but Malthouse (to the extent that an outsider can tell) is an outstanding coach.
Yeah well that's the thing, if we didnt do something about bucks he wouldve gone somewhere else. And he looked to be a good option at the time even tho he had no experience. - I think we just wanted something new to freshen up the players. But somehow over that preseason, malthouse and the group did something amazing...
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Hopefully it is a downwards spiral for Collingwood onwards...
Would love to see them falter next year, and the supporters go feral, screaming for Buckley's head and demanding Malthouse return.
On a side note, I'm thinking of getting this framed and hung. :D
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only saw the last quarter, i couldn't believe how they fell to pieces from a 7 point deficit...
anyway, sad to see mick go. brilliant coach. was there as long as i could remember.
also after not watching footy for ages i realised how many superstars geelong still had when they gave out the premiership meddles lol
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Hopefully it is a downwards spiral for Collingwood onwards...
that's what everyone wants to happen :P
But i cant wait to see what changes buck's will make! Very excited for next season.
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If Buckley's playing career is anything to go by.. he'll always be Hird's bitch.
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and they'll both be voss' bitches