yo guys am I the only one afraid of umat?
yo guys am I the only one afraid of umat?
So far doing prac questions I'm getting so many wrong... and people say its relative to how other people perform but other ppl seem to be getting the questions correct :3
Does anyone know anyone who has some kind of success story where they were bad at umat then they become good :O
coz like tf is a good atar gonna do for me if i get a shitty umat
:'(
Nearly 5 years on, I'm still afraid of the UMAT. Never forget :'(but erm
It just really makes me shit myself thinking that I might be one of those people with high atars and low umat...
I guess this can apply to me, probably? Gee, thanks for not wanting to be a 'me' haha xDAha tbh I dont think you wanted to be you
but erm
you're studying my dream course
I see the UMAT worked out for you...
It just really makes me shit myself thinking that I might be one of those people with high atars and low umat...
But I'm determined not to be.
But still
Pls umat be nice
I guess this can apply to me, probably? Gee, thanks for not wanting to be a 'me' haha xD
First of all, loving this free-style poetry in your posts, keep at it hahahaha
Secondly, yeah I guess I am in my preferred course, but that doesn't make the UMAT any less scary :P It's a very odd test, it's generally considered to be a test that is not well studied for. Furthermore, doing well in prep doesn't often equate to doing well in the real test, and vice versa. I wouldn't be disheartened or effected by how others are doing, especially if you're doing something like MedEntry which generally has a "better" cohort than the one that sits the real test.
Out of interest, what did you hope to achieve with this post? :) I'm sure he wasn't having a go at, or even thinking about, you at all!
yo guys am I the only one afraid of umat?
So far doing prac questions I'm getting so many wrong... and people say its relative to how other people perform but other ppl seem to be getting the questions correct :3
Does anyone know anyone who has some kind of success story where they were bad at umat then they become good :O
coz like tf is a good atar gonna do for me if i get a shitty umat
:'(
You can improve the Logical Reasoning and Problem Solving parts and Non-verbal Reasoning significantly. For logical reasoning the LSAT has some pretty good questions even much harder then the UMAT :). For section 3 you just go to do practice questions and then get use to the possible combinations, patterns, overlaps etc. that they can throw at you. Overall its tough test to prepare for best thing you can do is be confident on the day.
You can improve the Logical Reasoning and Problem Solving parts and Non-verbal Reasoning significantly. For logical reasoning the LSAT has some pretty good questions even much harder then the UMAT :). For section 3 you just go to do practice questions and then get use to the possible combinations, patterns, overlaps etc. that they can throw at you. Overall its tough test to prepare for best thing you can do is be confident on the day.ive found that I usually get section 1 questions with 90% accuracy, and section 2 with around 75% accuracy, but my section 3 is God awful - apparently you can really improve on 3 tho
I still have much fury over the UMAT even though it's been 4 years since I sat it.aha yeah fam but it pretty much dictates whether you've wasted all the sacrifices you've made
I reckon it's very difficult to predict how you will go with the UMAT even after you've sat the actual test. In the end though, it's only another exam and certainly not a be-all-end-all obstacle to medical school.
aha yeah fam but it pretty much dictates whether you've wasted all the sacrifices you've made
It's only a waste if you didn't learn anything from it.100% . Despite my 80th percentile score not being high enough for Monash MBBS that year the preparation for the UMAT (specifically the LSAT questions) did really help me for the gamsat as I had improved my critical reasoning and reading comprehension.
100% . Despite my 80th percentile score not being high enough for Monash MBBS that year the preparation for the UMAT (specifically the LSAT questions) did really help me for the gamsat as I had improved my critical reasoning and reading comprehension.Look, an 80% would get me into a university interstate, so although my ideal university is monash, I'm happy to go interstate..
Look, an 80% would get me into a university interstate, so although my ideal university is monash, I'm happy to go interstate..Fair enough just got to prepare the best you can and do your best on the day not much else you can do. Keeping a positive and confident mindset is also vital.
Now I believe that I can get above 80
But the thing that haunts me is getting below an 80... I'm not down to do 3 years biomed with additional competition
but my section 3 is God awful - apparently you can really improve on 3 tho
Look, an 80% would get me into a university interstate, so although my ideal university is monash, I'm happy to go interstate..Not to rain on your parade, but to get into unis interstate for med, your UMAT actually has to be higher than usual. E.g: for Adelaide interviews, SA people need 85+ umat, but for victorians, it was 90+. Similar case for UNSW.
Now I believe that I can get above 80
But the thing that haunts me is getting below an 80... I'm not down to do 3 years biomed with additional competition
ive found that I usually get section 1 questions with 90% accuracy, and section 2 with around 75% accuracy, but my section 3 is God awful - apparently you can really improve on 3 thoSimilar scenario for me last year.... My section 3 ended up being the best in the actual exam. I think I've talked to you before about tips for the UMAT, but for section 3, I just took my time to actually understand the questions and answers. I.e. Medentry gives you worked solutions, but before reading them I'd spend some time (a lot of time) trying to work out the answer for myself. In a notebook, i wrote down the question and wrote my own worked solutions. Before the UMAT exam, I revised this notebook and I did in fact use some of the techniques i learnt during preparation during the actual exam.
But the thing that haunts me is getting below an 80... I'm not down to do 3 years biomed with additional competitionDon't want to dishearten you or anything but keep in mind that there's also the 50-50-50 rule to consider when applying for Monash as well and not just getting below an 80 :P
She was a real keen bean, this one ^Nobody can stop mtse you know! Absolute gun ;D
Don't want to dishearten you or anything but keep in mind that there's also the 50-50-50 rule to consider when applying for Monash as well and not just getting below an 80 :P
All domestic applicants are required to sit the UMAT (Undergraduate Medicine and Health Sciences
Admission Test). http://www.umat.acer.edu.au Applicants must achieve at least a 50 in each section of the UMAT to be considered. NOTE: Onshore international students who think that their citizenship status might change during the application process should sit both the UMAT and the ISAT (http://isat.acer.edu.au/)
Guys, just out of curiosity, those who did well in the UMAT - did you know you were going to do well?Nope, after the UMAT I predicted a percentile anywhere between 20%ile and 99%ile. It's simply so different to your common test; most don't finish it, and getting 70% raw would already give you a ridiculous percentile.
Surely you guys were in my same position and the uncertainty absolutely kills you - what did you guys do? Did the preparation put you at ease and make you ace it?
Btw the definition of 'light studying' on this forum is completely different to real life.
People are like "oh i did light study for this subject, i only did about 20 prac exams'
and im like damn man that's a whole year's worth of work
Hi everyone! So I'm in year 12 and planning to do the UMAT this year, how many times a week should I be studying for the UMAT and is anyone else doing the UMAT this year?? Let me know in the comments below! :) :) :)
Hopeful UMAT taker here ;D ;D I don't know how to study for it but I'm leaning towards doing questions just based on the UMAT. This leads me to another problem, where do I get them (want to do more than the 3 or so which are given after registering) for a reasonable price?? Sorry OP for barging into your thread but I would like some insight as well :)
Not my game boy 😩😭...lol
30 mins a day is probably not going to be achieve able (for myself, and I'm sure others) but I could squeeze in a question here and there on weekdays :) I would take your advice pretty seriously Splash.
I'll try medentry but, like you said probably understand the techniques.
P.s. Little brother saw your avatar and was like, "Lucario is my favourite"
Yeah, I wouldn't compromise too much time spent on VCE on UMAT, and that's completely understandable. Out of all tests, i would say UMAT has the weakest correlation between preparation and performance.With the UMAT - what do you think made you special from everyone else?
Well I guess Medentry has that history of producing high %iles from what i've heard, so it's a fairly safe (albeit pricey) choice. Just be wary that last year the Section 3 questions were very different to before, and those who learnt all the Medentry mapping techniques found they didn't end up really using them.
P.s reply: That's brilliant. It's so great that the pokemon love and hype rages on through the generations :D
With the UMAT - what do you think made you special from everyone else?I don't think there's one special secret required for that "phat" percentile tbh.. and people get a really high percentile via different means, for example while my section scores were all basically the same (63-65-64), someone else's may be (80-50-55), still getting the similar percentile..as mundane as it sounds I guess we got more answers right (?)
Why did you get that phat 96?
Btw on an unrelated note, in which year of med do you learn how to treat bengali fevor? Is it curable/treatable? Can you at least manage the symptoms before hand?
Well I guess Medentry has that history of producing high %iles from what i've heard, so it's a fairly safe (albeit pricey) choice. Just be wary that last year the Section 3 questions were very different to before, and those who learnt all the Medentry mapping techniques found they didn't end up really using them.Medentry is quite expensive and yes last year the section 3 techniques were quite outdated. I had emailed them about this and apparently they have already been working on this to make it more relevant and helpful for the 2016 UMATers.
I wouldn't spend too much time for UMAT preparation. I spent 15-16 days on doing questions during the semester break (http://medstudentsonline.com.au/forum/xfa-blog-entry/studying-for-umat-effectively-by-dr-fat-cat.425/#comment-1562).Yo fatcat the link is blocked to people without an account. Do you mind copy-pasting the text? Or taking a pic? Ilys <3
With regards to "tips", try learning how to "speed reading". Some people and companies would say UMAT isn't a speed reading exam, which is true (there are certain "skills" involved as well, like logic reasoning for example), but being able to read quicker would definitely help.
Mtse mentioned the vocab list. You may find it useful, but in my year, even if I knew the meanings of the words, I still had trouble picking the "right" answer.
Hi,
This is my first blog here, so bear with me if I repeat myself or make any typo mistake within this blog.
There are many UMAT courses out there and many people ask me which one is the best (or I should say the most "accurate"). In my perspective, it is very hard to give a definite answer (given that no one has done all the courses that are available out there and judge.) I know that some courses out there are misleading and out of date, while some look very similar to the actual UMAT. However, with that being said, I must point out that even if a person join the best UMAT course that is available and do all the questions, he/she may still fail the actual exam. I think it all comes down to how well you use the resources given in these prep-courses and how well your performance is on the day of the exam. The purpose of this article is to address how you may use the prep-courses in a more effective way and I hope that my methods would also work for you.
Say I just joined a course and they gave me 15 full practice exam papers, some tips and some small exercise to do. How would I approach? Well, first I would read the tips that they have given and try to put those tips in my head. Then, I would do the small exercise and try to use those skills. There are tips that would work for me and there are tips that I dislike and think that would take me ages to complete ( one example would be venn diagram vs table). After some attempts, it would come to me that I prefer tables better. At this point, I would create a logbook and drop down the skills that work best for me. I would also copy the tricky questions that I got wrong in those exercise for future reference. After doing a certain amount of exercise (usually take two to three weeks). I will take a small break from studying UMAT and go back to my high school study. (And in this moment, all I do for UMAT would be revising my logbook over and over again until I am sure that my own tips would be well in my head). Depends on how many full practice exam papers you have (in this case 15*), I will do the papers 15*+1 days before the actual UMAT exam. For the first 15 days, I would do one full paper each (around 3 hrs long - DO NOT TAKE BREAKS IN BETWEEN, YOU MUST DO THE PAPERS UNDER EXAM CONDITIONS!) It may be very tiring at first but with more days of practice, you should get used to it. On your 16th day (the day before the actual exam), revise your logbook one more time. Do not do more papers as you should be relaxed for your actual exam tomorrow. Listen to music or play sport to get your mind off the exam (just don't get very tired or get injured). Sleep early and have a good breakfast (hopefully you will be good to go).
Some of you may wonder, why should I do my X amount of practice papers X+1 days before my actual umat exam? Personally, I think this way would allow you to really keep practicing your skills and make sure those skills are in your head before the actually umat. It also allows you to get used to the idea of keeping your brain used intensively for three hours without any break. Separate your practice papers over several months may not be ideal because you may forget how to use some skills or feeling tired on the actual umat exam because you have not trained enough of your brain in the past few weeks.
I hope my first article makes any sense and feel free to give me any comment or ask questions. Best of luck with your UMAT exam (and interviews)
Yo fatcat the link is blocked to people without an account. Do you mind copy-pasting the text? Or taking a pic? Ilys <3
Also, is it possible for me to do the UMAT after the ATAR comes out? If so, what's everyone's opinions on that?
Okay guys, so basically I haven't started ANY prep for UMAT. Where and how do I start? Also, please understand that it isn't terribly preferable for me to spend heaps on prep material, which I also hear is quite pointless seeing as the UMAT is more of an 'on the day' thing. So where do I start?You take UMAT in year 12. I know some people did UMAT in year 12 and didn't get in, so they tried UMAT again in the following year (they deferred their course) to try get into medicine and they got in. If you take UMAT after year 12, you may not succeed. I don't think you can take UMAT again because I think ATAR is only valid for 2 years (year 12 and the year after). Even if you can take umat again, it will be two years after high school.
Also, is it possible for me to do the UMAT after the ATAR comes out? If so, what's everyone's opinions on that?
Is it true that Monash is stopping MMIs and going for a trad interview style in 2017 entry?
Is it true that Monash is stopping MMIs and going for a trad interview style in 2017 entry?Hopefully they don't I have done both MMI and the panel interviews. MMI is definitely much better and fairer.
Hiya,
So I'm currently a year 11 Victorian student considering UMAT for next year.
To the best of my understanding, UMAT is used to get into undergrad medicine (I'm not interested in dentistry or any other health science/related degree), but seeing as though the MBBS undergrad direct entry program is no longer running [see link below], and I have absolutely no intention of moving interstate to study undergrad medicine, is there any purpose at all for me to be doing UMAT?
http://med.monash.edu.au/medicine/admissions/grad-entry/mbbs-pathways.html
Thanks ;)
P.S. please let me know if I've horribly misinterpreted something
You have horribly misinterpreted the situation. See http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medicine/admissions/documents/2017-domestic-brochure.pdf
There are two streams (as it is now), and the undergrad stream still needs the UMAT.
In that case what's the difference between undergraduate MD and undergraduate MBBS?
Pretty much nothing. MD and MBBS, wherever the uni, are essentially the same thing.
There's talk about "level of degrees" (with the MD being one "level" higher than the MBBS(hons), which is one level higher than the MBBS) etc etc but in reality, a primary medical degree is a primary medical degree and hospitals know that. So there's no difference.
I wouldn't get caught up on what a degree is called, just how to get into it :)
Is it true that Monash is stopping MMIs and going for a trad interview style in 2017 entry?
So are we allowed to post questions were having trouble with in this thread or is that not allowed?? Thanks
yo guys am I the only one afraid of umat?
So far doing prac questions I'm getting so many wrong... and people say its relative to how other people perform but other ppl seem to be getting the questions correct :3
Does anyone know anyone who has some kind of success story where they were bad at umat then they become good :O
coz like tf is a good atar gonna do for me if i get a shitty umat
:'(
I don't think it is a good idea because the questions are most likely copyright material.
Out of curiosity...I'm doing the Geelong session - does anyone know if that's AM or PM. I really prefer PM because my mind in the morning is stil a bit fried and I peak in the afternoon soo
anyone here doing UMAT...are you gonna do the AM session or the PM session?
just out of curiosity...i'm still trying to decide what to put down as a preference :)
I'm doing the Geelong session - does anyone know if that's AM or PM. I really prefer PM because my mind in the morning is stil a bit fried and I peak in the afternoon soo
i don't know if i should do morning or afternoon...im a morning person like most days I'm awake at 5:30, some days even 4ish, and my sleep in is 6:30. so i could do the morning one...but I'm kinda worried that i might feel dead that morning and not feel like doing it so early.I'd do morning - you're used to it so why not :O
the problem with the afternoon one is that, knowing me...ill get up that day and do umat study. and even if i force myself not to do intensive study, i will still do some study. Because of that I'm kinda worried that by the time the actual test starts ill be mentally tired
idk what to do :-[
any advice would be appreciated (please)
i don't know if i should do morning or afternoon...im a morning person like most days I'm awake at 5:30, some days even 4ish, and my sleep in is 6:30. so i could do the morning one...but I'm kinda worried that i might feel dead that morning and not feel like doing it so early.
the problem with the afternoon one is that, knowing me...ill get up that day and do umat study. and even if i force myself not to do intensive study, i will still do some study. Because of that I'm kinda worried that by the time the actual test starts ill be mentally tired
idk what to do :-[
any advice would be appreciated (please)
How is everyone going with their UMAT preparation?Yo come back to me after umat results come out
I'm going to be taking the UMAT next year and I want to know which preparation course you guys chose and why. Also whether or not it was of any benefit to you?
Good luck with your preparation, I hope you guys all get the scores you're aiming for.
How are people finding section two, I've usually been getting down to 2 answers and ending up just guessing from there.Yeah that about sums it up.
Any tips?
How are people finding section two, I've usually been getting down to 2 answers and ending up just guessing from there.
Any tips?
Yeah that about sums it up.
What i do is narrow it down to two options then go back and look at the text and find evidence from there.
For some questions which require you to guess what the person's going to do next, or how they're feeling before or after an interaction, I like to think of the thing holistically before making a choice.
And try not to overcomplicate stuff. Some questions are just so wtf?????? but most of them are not ????????? ya feel? So the more obvious choice is generally better
I actually end up doing some working out for section 2
I always boil it down to 2 answers and from there i write out a few ideas around the options. Nothing more then a few words
But i think of thinks such as time Eg Anger and Annoyed are responsive emotions vs fed up and frustrated which carry connotations of being long term.
Generally, i find it comes down to connotation and like what Swag said, evidence from the text. I try to match the subtle connotations of the answer with the subtle ideas of the text.
out of curiosity, how much time are you guys spending on umat prep? like how often will you do itI do it whenever I want to study but i dont want to study what i need to study (like when you ceebs with an english essay right?)
Thanks for the help :)
Has anyone done any of the "new" medentry exams?
If so what were your raw scores and percentiles (if you would like to share)? (I know medentry percentiles don't really mean anything just interested)
out of curiosity, how much time are you guys spending on umat prep? like how often will you do it
human you are not alone- this is sooo me haha :)
Edit: And I feel like having the actual paper in front of me allows me to scribble and get more in touch with the question. But that's just me :D
human you are not alone- this is sooo me haha :)
human you are not alone- this is sooo me haha :)Human I feel the same.
lmao that use of human i love ityeah i do it a lot, i call everyone human :)
yeah i do it a lot, i call everyone human :)Guy 1: "When did the term human become so popular on the AN?"
Guy 1: "When did the term human become so popular on the AN?"haha..oh and it's *she
Guy 2: "Well, thread legend has it that mq123 coined the term when when refering to AN member Blacksanta62" (1)
Guy 1: "But why human, why didn't he use another term?"
Guy 2: "Thread legend also says that he referred to everyone like that. Just his thing, I guess"
Guy 1: "Interesting" (5)
:D :)
haha..oh and it's *she*human
*humannah nobody calls me human (besides when people see my leavers jacket for the first time, since it's on the back of my jacket (you know the bit where ppl put their nicknames....i call everyone else human)
Do they ever ask why? Not that its a bad thing, lol, but I would ask why I'm being called a human, and then laugh when I remember I am a humanthey do ask, but I generally just laugh and shrug- I don't really have some specific reason for it, I just do it I guess hehe :)
they do ask, but I generally just laugh and shrug- I don't really have some specific reason for it, I just do it I guess hehe :)LMAOOOO
but they used to ask ages ago (like a year or so), now everyone's just accepted it :)
the teacher's sometimes just come up to me and just say stuff like 'i'm glad you're a human', or 'was there any doubt?' or 'are you trying to convince everyone of it'....though it's just something everyone laugh's off. I don't call the teacher's human, though...that's kinda weird and maybe disrespectful since they're teachers. :)
Quick query: in section 1 are you guys reading the passage (even if it's very long) and then reading/answering question(s) that may follow or reading what the question wants, then identifying the location of the possible answer in the stimulus?I do the first method. The second method I've found with me is that say out of 5 questions, it would save me time on the first 2 or 3 questions but completing all 4 or 5 questions I'd spend mroe time reading through the thing than I would've if i just read the whole passage at the start and came back to that specific section.
I've been using the first approach, having to skim/re-check with the passage while answering the question(s) and feel pretty good with it, despite section 1 not being my strongest area. But others suggest the other method. I've tried it but it doesn't sit well with me.
Your take??
any tips on section 1 (problem solving specifically)? Im okay with data interpretation etc but I'm terrible with problem solving. Can I improve or will the problem solving questions on the actual UMAT always be differentI don't have many for problem solving so hopefully someone else can chip in
any tips on section 1 (problem solving specifically)? Im okay with data interpretation etc but I'm terrible with problem solving. Can I improve or will the problem solving questions on the actual UMAT always be differentThere's some great tips here: http://www.icanmed.com.au
-Draw pictures when given worded problem solving questions i.e. when no diagram/image is given with the question. This will enable you to see what the question is really asking on paper and not leave you relying on your brain. I've attached a question where I had to draw three cups, 2 bigger than the other. Seeing it visually allowed me to scribble and work out which cup was full and which overflowed or stayed half empty etc.
There's some great tips here: http://www.icanmed.com.au
Scroll down to the "class curriculum" section and under "section 1 - logical reasoning" there are several tutorials you can preview for free including some golden rules for section 1 and an explanations for some types of questions. :)
have you guys been to your med-entry workshops (if you are doing them)?
I have mine tomorrow, and I was just wondering how they were?
have you guys been to your med-entry workshops (if you are doing them)?pretty useless tbh. I did it at the start (ages ago) so it was an introduction to it. Doing it this late is a waste of time imo, the stuff the guy tells you is fairly basic and I don't think it's the best use of your time. (still go to it, but just dont have high expectations) - the 2nd day with the mock interview is great though, you learn a lot there. However, at this stage they should be teaching you how to get to the interview rather than what to do in the interview you know?
I have mine tomorrow, and I was just wondering how they were?
number one thing- it was soo tiring hahaLOL. The interview training was fun. 3 hours of testing tho is gonna be even more fun :P
between 4-4:30 my brain was like 'nope, not doing this anymore' haha. but then it got better thankfully
I thought it was alright, I've only day one though, day two is tomorrow. Not looking forward to the mock exam tbh
Medentry workshops have interview training before interview offers? Cart before horse.Yeah it does. I was like wtf? How has no one told me that a whole day would be spent on interview training (+ mock exam) - not sure what the thought process is there. I guess it's more advertising coz a lot of the successful people would have attended the workshop soo ..
is the mock exam hard?I did it early on - without ever touching medentry or any umat prep and I got demolished. So I don't remember if it's objectively hard or I was just really new to it. I've enhanced significantly since
is the mock exam hard?
Yeah it does. I was like wtf? How has no one told me that a whole day would be spent on interview training (+ mock exam) - not sure what the thought process is there. I guess it's more advertising coz a lot of the successful people would have attended the workshop soo ..
Day two update:pwoah nice job!
We did a umat prac paper that they said was gonna be slightly more difficult than what would be expected for the actual umat (don't know if that is true or just a confidence booster haha)
in terms of results I got:
for section 1:100th percentile
for section 2: 100th percentile
then for section 3 it dropped dramatically and it was in the 80th percentile :(
but I'm happy with the first two.
but then these are just relative to the people who did med-entry. so IDK how well non med entry people will do...
then for the rest of the day they did interview prep.
yo mtse - if you did so well on practice exams why do you think your actual score was a fluke :P?The practice exams went decently but I remember coming out of the real exam and thinking that I had no chance of getting into med. I don't think I was in the best mindset for the exam so I struggled (ended up not finishing the paper like I left questions completely blank) and so it wasn't the most pleasant experience hahahah and I didn't expect a good score :P
Hey mtse, would you recommend doing full exams in 3 hours? I've been doing sections (some of the exams I have are still split up) under timed conditions and it is a lot harder than doing it without time as a factor to worry about. If so, how may would allow me to get use to the stressful conditions?Hey hey... doing the questions under timed conditions is muchhhhh harder than doing the questions on their own. I recommend doing at least 2-3 full exam under timed conditions - you not only need to get used to the stress of being timed, but also build up the stamina to be able to focus and think clearly/quickly for the full 180 minutes. For me last year, this was my main let down (as described above) I really didn't prepare myself for how draining the exam would be and ended up running out of time.
Thank you :)
The practice exams went decently but I remember coming out of the real exam and thinking that I had no chance of getting into med. I don't think I was in the best mindset for the exam so I struggled (ended up not finishing the paper like I left questions completely blank) and so it wasn't the most pleasant experience hahahah and I didn't expect a good score :P^ Yeah timed conditions - you'll do significantly worse but it'll help you significantly more. The questions themselves anyone can do it if they had unlimited time but its time which really gets you.
Hey hey... doing the questions under timed conditions is muchhhhh harder than doing the questions on their own. I recommend doing at least 2-3 full exam under timed conditions - you not only need to get used to the stress of being timed, but also build up the stamina to be able to focus and think clearly/quickly for the full 180 minutes. For me last year, this was my main let down (as described above) I really didn't prepare myself for how draining the exam would be and ended up running out of time.
Hope that helped :)
Any past UMAT students care to share their medentry raw scores/percentiles compared to what their actual percentile.
Is it true that 100/134 ~ 100%ile
Roughly what mark could obtain 95%ile+
Hey, I'm new here, I don't know if I'm posting it in right thread sorry. But what do you guys think of NIE prep course, (my school keeps promoting it). So I want to know what are your thoughts if you've bought their course because there doesn't seem to be any recent post about here on AN. Would be much appreciated :DMy school has some of their posters up (been there since late last year) but I ended up practicing alone and not using any courses at all. I have however done one of their free exams and their of okay quality (probs not as hard as medentry). Because of that I can't comment on the course itself, maybe someone else can :)
So whose cramming for umat now? haha ;) ;DMethods SAC I have to finish tomorrow and a biology SAC on Friday, they've kind of taken priority so UMAT practice has taken another hit. Finding 3 hours to do a practice exam in is quite hard ;)
Hey guys,my 2 cents...
So I've literally just started doing UMAT practise..... I've only done 1 exam (the ACER one, which is meant to be easy...) and got 110/134 without a time limit. Basically, I feel as though I'm pretty screwed...
I never planned on doing any of those prep courses, because I don't really want to pour $800 down the drain... Although, I am starting to question whether I'm going to be able to do well at all...
Do you guys I still have a chance if I just start pumping out practise exams in the time we have left? but the thing is, I've only got the acer exams, 1 medentry exam plus some miscellaneous free online stuff... So I don't even know if I'm preparing with the best material out there... Any suggestions? And anyone know where I can buy some papers?
Thanks in advance!!
Hey guys,
So I've literally just started doing UMAT prep..... I've only done 1 exam (the ACER one, which is meant to be easy...) and got 110/134 without a time limit. Basically, I feel as though I'm pretty screwed...
I never planned on doing any of those prep courses, because I don't really want to pour $800 down the drain... Although, I am starting to question whether I'm going to be able to do well at all...
Do you guys think I still have a chance if I just start pumping out practise exams in the time we have left? but the thing is, I've only got the acer exams, 1 medentry exam plus some miscellaneous free online stuff... So I don't even know if I'm preparing with the best material out there... Any suggestions? And anyone know where I can buy some papers?
Thanks in advance!!
110/134 shows us that you know your stuff and have the ability to do well.... now just time yourself. Like to be honest, the number one thing that makes the umat hard is timing, nothing really else.Yeah - give people time and they can solve the whole thing. Under time suddenly everything becomes 1000x harder.
Thanks so much for your replies guys!! I think I've just been having a minor breakdown for the past 2 days about umat... This has helped lower my anxiety levels though :)yeah fam a lot of us on the same page here.
Juts wanna sayUm 26 minutes till 12 o clock so It's 15 days left whatchu tryna do taking away a day of mine
14 DAYS LEFT,
and the thing is I reckon that is still a fair amount of time. If you use it mainly for umat lol, but yeah for everyone freaking out. This is an aptitude test, you technically are not even supposed to prepare lol ( I am sure a fair amount of ppl are just gonna wing it ), so don't be too anxious. You have enough time!
Juts wanna sayhaha..its only 9:43 on this side of the country...that's almost enough time to do a whole umat paper today ;)- not that I'm gonna...i'd get like 2% if i make my brain work the way umat demands at this time!
14 DAYS LEFT,
and the thing is I reckon that is still a fair amount of time. If you use it mainly for umat lol, but yeah for everyone freaking out. This is an aptitude test, you technically are not even supposed to prepare lol ( I am sure a fair amount of ppl are just gonna wing it ), so don't be too anxious. You have enough time!
Anyone else get their admission ticket? I have to be at Caulfield racecourse by 7:50 since the test starts at 8 am. Most likely going to have to get there a bit earlierdamn arrival time is 1;30
My ticket says arrival time 8:15. When would the actually start time be?
So, I am about to sit the UMAT (friday in 2 weeks) and have trials the following monday, should I wing UMAT or study.
AND, how do all the factors for entry weigh up, for example, if you get like a 97 ATAR or something above 95 but smash the UMAT, will you still get an interview?
Thanks guys!!
So, I am about to sit the UMAT (friday in 2 weeks) and have trials the following monday, should I wing UMAT or study.This really depends on what uni you would like to get into: ( i only have info on the uni's I applied to)
AND, how do all the factors for entry weigh up, for example, if you get like a 97 ATAR or something above 95 but smash the UMAT, will you still get an interview?
Thanks guys!!
for example, if you get like a 97 ATAR or something above 95 but smash the UMAT, will you still get an interview?
This really depends on what uni you would like to get into: ( i only have info on the uni's I applied to)
Monash
- 30/30/30 - i.e. they weigh the ATAR, UMAT and interview equally
- this is why usually an outstanding ATAR or UMAT can get you and interview when your UMAT/ATAR respectively isn't that great
- however it must also be noted that they have the 50-50-50 rule for the UMAT - i.e. you need at least 50 percentile in each section of the UMAT to be even considered for the interview - people who wing the UMAT generally cannot achieve this (i have no solid stats but anecdotally this is true)
Adelaide (for first round interviews)
- for interstate students, they weigh the UMAT very heavily prior to getting an interview - for me last year, they actually invited me to an interview before my ATAR was even released
- after interview, they then use just the ATAR and interview scores to determine whether you get into the course
UNSW
- like Monash, they weigh the umat, atar and interview equally - so theoretically either an outstanding UMAT or ATAR (while the other is somewhat decent) should get you an interview
- for me last year, I was given a ">50% chance" (like they actually email interstate students the percentage possibility of them getting into the course) with a 99+ ATAR and 95+ UMAT. (I ultimately did not attend the interview)
- just fyi (vaguely remembering from their website) UNSW undergrad med is so competitive that the median ATAR gets pushed up to 99.60 despite the cut-off being around 96.00
Aside from that:
I suggest to not "wing" the UMAT, but do not neglect study for your Trials either. Perhaps separating your VCE/HSC studying with some UMAT practice would be the best way to go about it due to the limited time left.
Most people here would probably agree that the best practice you can do now is to do timed exams, because it not only allows you to understand the style of questions from each section, but to also get a feel for the pressure/stress/exhaustion that you experience when you have to concentrate for 3 hours straight.
Any questions feel free to PM me :) and Good Luck!!
Kind of unfair that they say it is a 96, which for most applicants is achievable but realistically it won't be good enough as it is equally weighted.
Hey guys, I've been doing UMAT prep but I haven't done any medentry papers at all, do you think that this is a disadvantage?You won't be at a disadvantage yet, since there is still time (not a lot), but still time. In my opinion, I think you should at least do one. I don't know what your UMAT prep was, if you were doing exam papers I think you should be fine. However, I think one of the hard parts about UMAT is doing those kind of questions in one go, in a 3-hour block, so I think you should probably do some papers. :)
Thank you :)
I've been doing practice papers but I did my first 3 hour exam yesterday. I didn't finish the paper but it was a great form of learning. Just not sure if medentry is beneficialI feel like it was, though my scores jump a lot. I don't think it's a huge deal if you finish the paper or not, I got like 61% on the med entry exam at the workshop which translated to a UMAT percentile predicted between 95-100. I didn't finish or even get all the ones that I answered right. But, I think Med entry is really beneficial, and you would probably rather over-practice/study than under study :)
can i get some advice?Um MTSE said before that a 90+ mark will yield you a 90+ percentile (or more I think) so if you performed like that on the day you're fine man!
I am doing well on medentry umat exams --> 90% percentiles usually
but the acer ones i am not doing as well :/
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY,
like the questions are easier yet for some reason i am doing worse. I think I might be better at hard questions because it forces me to think more but easier ones make me overconfident and i make stupid mistakes.
I got 93/134 (ACER EXAM 3) which isn't terribly bad but like I really need to break the 100 mark barrier if I wanna have a good umat score.
any advice? how do you guys stop making stupid mistakes?
also anyone know what 93/134 would translate tooo? like atleast a 70 percentile?
people said exam 3 of acer was the harder of the few but i aint sure :/
Um MTSE said before that a 90+ mark will yield you a 90+ percentile (or more I think) so if you performed like that on the day you're fine man!Can I please be your bff too? :)
I'm going to do ACER exam 3 a bit later this week so I'll respond more then in terms of difficulty - how are you going in other acer exams? feel free to pm me if you wanna share it there - coz ive done those exams so i can speak to you with reference you know?
I think an important distinction to make is the difference between ACER and MedEntry - the questions vary slightly. Medentry is a business afterall - so it's designed to reward the student who uses it frequently. I.E do more drills and you'll do better in MedEntry questions - but not necessarily in ACER questions you know?
SO I'd recommend spending time looking through acer type questions (they're very similar to medentry but there's also a discernible difference that you need to recognise) -- but you shouldn't be freaking out you're gonna be amazing and we are both gon be doctors together and be bffs in monash med <3
Can I please be your bff too? :)omg ofc you can human ;)
Um MTSE said before that a 90+ mark will yield you a 90+ percentile (or more I think) so if you performed like that on the day you're fine man!
I'm going to do ACER exam 3 a bit later this week so I'll respond more then in terms of difficulty - how are you going in other acer exams? feel free to pm me if you wanna share it there - coz ive done those exams so i can speak to you with reference you know?
I think an important distinction to make is the difference between ACER and MedEntry - the questions vary slightly. Medentry is a business afterall - so it's designed to reward the student who uses it frequently. I.E do more drills and you'll do better in MedEntry questions - but not necessarily in ACER questions you know?
SO I'd recommend spending time looking through acer type questions (they're very similar to medentry but there's also a discernible difference that you need to recognise) -- but you shouldn't be freaking out you're gonna be amazing and we are both gon be doctors together and be bffs in monash med <3
omg ofc you can human ;)YES! thankyou human! we could all be a trio ;)
is it just me or does the answer and method of the questions seem really simple when you go through the examLOL YES. Especially with section 2. I'm like sweating tossing up between 2 options when I'm doing it and then you look at answer and you're like "how the fk did I think that was the answer, it's clearly that"
afterward? However, for some reason, I just can't get it when doing the exam?
LOL YES. Especially with section 2. I'm like sweating tossing up between 2 options when I'm doing it and then you look at answer and you're like "how the fk did I think that was the answer, it's clearly that"section 3 is like my bane. I look at it for a while and can't generate anything. but then when I review it, it's just 'it moved once, then two spaces, then three spaces'. Then I hug my pillow for comfort
other times im like "yea get fked" but most of the times its the former
also anyone know what 93/134 would translate tooo? like atleast a 70 percentile?
what risk could umat study pose?
Hey guys, so I have read Medentry reviews from psyxwar and the like but they're from a while ago. Has Medentry improved their style of section 1 & 2 questions? I know that company papers will never be exactly like acers real UMAT but I just want to hear some reviews on the sections from last year and this year (if you've used them for prep :D)Actually after last year's UMAT (after numerous complaints) Medentry has updated their papers/materials for this year.
Thanks
any tips in regards to dealing with stress on the day of the umat exam.... there's a lot riding on my umat percentile:(
any tips in regards to dealing with stress on the day of the umat exam.... there's a lot riding on my umat percentile:(pi has a really good point :)
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Can anyone explain the percentile thing to me? Ive kinda been alone my entire UMAT journey and all I know is the raw percentages i'm getting in practice tests :(
to stand a chance at most unis.
o damn there goes my dreams :'( :'(
Last weekend before umat!
How is everyone feeling? :)
o damn there goes my dreams :'( :'(
In case you misunderstood, pi meant you need to get 90+ percentile not 90% of the questions correct.
For each section you get a raw score out of ~100. A section score of 65 is highly respectable.
The three section scores added together is your Overall score: 180 ranks ~90th %ile, 190 ~95th %ile.
So don't lose heart you just need around 65-70 percent of the questions correct.
does that mean that each question is not worth only one mark?
and furthermore, it would also depend on how other people perform right?
Fairly sure you can get above 100 for a section, I have friends that did.
I'm doing so horrible at pretty much every practice test. The only two I did well on were the medentry one (predicted of 95-100) and a matrix one (90+). Coincidently, those were the only two I did on paper...I wonder if that makes a difference?
This close to the umat do you think it's more worthwhile doing exams and going through them, or just spending time learning more principles?
i reckon exams + reviewThanks...I'm getting so worried now, and I know I shouldn't cos that will probably make it worse...but I am. :(
Yeah maybe do your exams on paper, I found my scores increased by a good 10 percentile :) from the medentry ones
Thanks...I'm getting so worried now, and I know I shouldn't cos that will probably make it worse...but I am. :(
I feel so ambivalent!! 3 days guys, how's everyone coping? I'm skipping school on Monday and Tuesday because I'm a lazy bum and also I just want to use these days to relax and fit in some umat q's here and there ;D ;DSo am I!
:PI have a test the day after umat, so I'm gonna need to give time to that one too...
Going to school on monday,
tuesday I have a single period of spec (out of 6 periods) so i'm just gonna stay home but I still have to go later for a English sac after school.
I have a test the day after umat, so I'm gonna need to give time to that one too...matrix? are they a new company?
has anyone tried the matrix papers? I feel like they are a lot easier to the med entry ones...
HEY GUYS URGENT HELP,completely clear
lol so I can't find the email where they tell us the conditions of the water bottle we bring in,
I DEPEND ON WATER, like this might seem trivial to some but if i don't have water to keep myself active and awake through the umat then i am literally dead.
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE? like I assume clear? does it have to be colourless like for the GAT?
(Also note imo discussing questions and answers after the exam will not be a smart thing to do, it's only going to make you feel like crap and no one really knows what the correct answer is anyway)
^Well said, taking my annual "good luck post" job from me! A worthier successor though :)Got a compliment from Pi. Life goal achieved. 8)
UMAT done and dusted! YAYYY ;D
Same! How did you find it?
Glad its over so we can focus on trials/HSC now :)
I honestly have no idea how I went...didn't quite finish though
Hey everyone,
Sorry for reviving the UMAT thread and possibly “triggering” all of those anxiously waiting for their scores,
but I thought I’d let you all know of a FREE set of workshops that are running later this year on the 27 November.
iCanMed is running a 2 hour UMAT workshop (more for the 2017ers) and then a 2 hour Med Interview Workshop
Link - https://www.facebook.com/events/296058744100103/
(and for those without Facebook - here’s the ticket link: https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/free-umat-and-interview-workshop-med-school-entry-essentials-tickets-27671707823?aff=es2 )
The reason I’m shamelessly promoting these guys is cause:
1. its FREE
2. it’s actually worth your time.
In short:
For the UMAT, they’re planning to run through new questions from the most recent exams as well as crash course you on the major types of questions that would possibly show up (like the have actual stats on how many of each type of question has come up on exams before) so you can basically do any question that ACER decides to throw at you.
Whereas for the interview - well attending this workshop last year myself, I can say for sure that these 2 hours will be spent clearly explaining the components of the interview (for the different unis), what the unis actually want from you, and how to give the best answers without having to memorise a set of cheesy, generic answers that every interviewer has heard 10000 times. On top of that, they have examples of questions and scenarios from the most recent medical interviews which is always super helpful if you know what I mean ;)
Sorry for the long read :P but hopefully you guys will find this helpful!! :)
WOW this sounds amazing, is there anything like this for Sydney??Hey hey unfortunately at the current stage there isn't anything for Sydney (that I know of) :(
Hello,
Do you think I have a chance of getting into med/dent in Australia with a predicted atar of 97 and 42 percentile for umat?
Thanks
Hello,
Do you think I have a chance of getting into med/dent in Australia with a predicted atar of 97 and 42 percentile for umat?
Thanks
when are the written applications due?30th September
Can't speak for dent, but your only hope for med is really JCU. Written applications are due later this month, so make sure you're on top of it! :)
Hey guysThey've been saying they'd get rid of it for years and yet they still adhere to the 50-50-50 rule... so honestly no one knows....
according to my tutor, Monash is getting rid of 50-50-50 rule?
They just look for a score 65+? Is that true?
Hi Pi,
I applied to JCU. What about Bond med?
Hey guys
according to my tutor, Monash is getting rid of 50-50-50 rule?
They just look for a score 65+? Is that true?
I don't know much about Bond's entrance requirements, but apply for it if you can afford it :)
Wouldn't bank on rumours!
What about Monash? Is my umat score too low?
Much too low unfortunately :/oh ok. Should i do medical science degree then if i don't get in?
Out of curiosity, what kind of ATAR do you generally need for a place in JCU med?
oh ok. Should i do medical science degree then if i don't get in?
Any chance at an interview with UMAT 88%ile (52, 57, 68), GPA 7.0 and ATAR 99.5?This really depends on where you are applying....it looks like you have a relatively good chance but really need more details :/
Thanks :)
Out of curiosity, what kind of ATAR do you generally need for a place in JCU med?
This really depends on where you are applying....it looks like you have a relatively good chance but really need more details :/Yes that's right! Do you think there's any chance of me getting an interview at UNSW (or basically anywhere in NSW/QLD that accepts undergrad uni students)? I'm non-rural if that helps :)
the fact that you have a GPA, I assume you are a uni student? If that's the case, then no chance for an interview at Monash university as they only take direct school-leavers in their undergraduate course. Other unis interstate I'm not so sure.
Hey guys, just wondering if I will be considered at Monash with a 172 umat given that I achieve a 97+ atar and qualify for seas?
what is a 172 translate to ? percentile wise
Hey guys, just wondering if I will be considered at Monash with a 172 umat given that I achieve a 97+ atar and qualify for seas?