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Title: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: heids on November 06, 2017, 09:49:16 am
Done anddddd dusted - no further Further study! ;)  High fives all round. ;D

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Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: joojam on November 06, 2017, 11:00:37 am
Can someone post the exam? ❤️❤️❤️ 
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: aussiegodx on November 06, 2017, 11:10:33 am
I ONLY FOUND ONE SIDE OF THE LID AHHHHHHH others found both, rip that 50
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: aussiegodx on November 06, 2017, 11:11:57 am
Apart from the ambiguous lid question I found it easy, easier than past exam 2's imho. But I have done all vcaa exams
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Joseph41 on November 06, 2017, 11:13:10 am
Hope you all nailed it! :D

Can someone post the exam? ❤️❤️❤️ 

We will be at some point - might be a slight delay. :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: zoeelainne on November 06, 2017, 11:25:32 am
anyone know if we needed to find both sides of the lid or just one?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: CarrymetoUni on November 06, 2017, 11:35:42 am
Anyone know what the answer for the second last question for matrices was?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: teebow on November 06, 2017, 11:36:20 am
Found the 1x3 L matrix question difficult. The wording wasn’t very clear and everything I tried didn’t seem to give me the answer I needed. What was it asking for?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Mattjbr2 on November 06, 2017, 11:38:00 am
Found the 1x3 L matrix question difficult. The wording wasn’t very clear and everything I tried didn’t seem to give me the answer I needed. What was it asking for?
It was asking for a summing matrix for only Rolls and Sandwiches.
Hence L=[0 1 1]
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: lukefield99 on November 06, 2017, 11:39:29 am
Found the 1x3 L matrix question difficult. The wording wasn’t very clear and everything I tried didn’t seem to give me the answer I needed. What was it asking for?

The matrix should've [0 1 1], it's asking for the matrix to find the total price of the rolls and whatever the last one was.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: accoleg on November 06, 2017, 11:39:41 am
How did everyone do on the last couple of questions on the networks module? There were a couple of weird questions in there in my opinion, particularly the quesition about what the "0" in the Hungarian Algorithim meant? And what did everyone get for the max time  and min cost reduction on the crashing question?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: CarrymetoUni on November 06, 2017, 11:40:55 am
Found the 1x3 L matrix question difficult. The wording wasn’t very clear and everything I tried didn’t seem to give me the answer I needed. What was it asking for?
I believe the answer was [0 1 1] since it was asking for the total cost of 2 of the foods. Therefore, one of the element in the 1x3 matrix had to be 0.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: addictwithatextbook on November 06, 2017, 11:41:45 am
How did everyone do on the last couple of questions on the networks module? There were a couple of weird questions in there in my opinion, particularly the quesition about what the "0" in the Hungarian Algorithim meant? And what did everyone get for the max time  and min cost reduction on the crashing question?

That's exactly what I was going to ask! For the Hung Algo I said that Colin must be allocated to Tour 2, and for the new minimum time I did 17 days and minimum cost I did $4000 for the crashing question. That was hard!
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Mattjbr2 on November 06, 2017, 11:43:51 am
Can someone please confirm for me the answer for the last Business question= $805.65?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: CarrymetoUni on November 06, 2017, 11:45:11 am
Can someone please confirm for me the answer for the last Business question= $805.65?
T'was what I go :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: accoleg on November 06, 2017, 11:46:27 am
That's exactly what I was going to ask! For the Hung Algo I said that Colin must be allocated to Tour 2, and for the new minimum time I did 17 days and minimum cost I did $4000 for the crashing question. That was hard!

I got the same for the Hungarian! Somehow I only got a reduction by 1 from the original minimum completion time, and $2000 for the crashing q, waiting for a copy of the exam to check!
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: accoleg on November 06, 2017, 11:46:53 am
Can someone please confirm for me the answer for the last Business question= $805.65?
got that too :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: addictwithatextbook on November 06, 2017, 11:47:02 am
Can someone please confirm for me the answer for the last Business question= $805.65?

I did that and my friend did that as well. Phew.

I got the same for the Hungarian! Somehow I only got a reduction by 1 from the original minimum completion time, and $2000 for the crashing q, waiting for a copy of the exam to check!

I'm not sure about the crashing lmao but I reduced L first, giving reduction of one day, then I reduced I, J, and G, which were on the only three different critical paths, reducing another day.  :-\
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: som0007 on November 06, 2017, 11:47:22 am
damn i thought tokyo was ahead of melbourne RIP
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: omxrk on November 06, 2017, 11:47:51 am
2 Mark matrices question: 25%
2 Mark recursion question: $805.65 or something like that
2 mark graphs question: $220
Last graphs question: 9 & 3
Graphs and relation intersection of 2 graphs: 10.98 minutes

Any other questions feel free to ask.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: billy606 on November 06, 2017, 11:48:20 am
Whats this I hear about the matrix L question. What could it be besides [ 0 1 1 ]?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: addictwithatextbook on November 06, 2017, 11:51:11 am
2 Mark matrices question: 25%
2 Mark recursion question: $805.65 or something like that
2 mark graphs question: $220
Last graphs question: 9 & 3
Graphs and relation intersection of 2 graphs: 10.98 minutes

Any other questions feel free to ask.

For the 2 mark matrices question, I think I got 30% of the senior students who were expected to do Investigation in term 3 and was expected in Service in term 2? It was similar to a question on 2016 VCAA exam 2.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Rosel___a on November 06, 2017, 11:51:29 am
How did everyone do on the last couple of questions on the networks module? There were a couple of weird questions in there in my opinion, particularly the quesition about what the "0" in the Hungarian Algorithim meant? And what did everyone get for the max time  and min cost reduction on the crashing question?

The 0 indicates that the person from that column has to do task 2 because there were no other 0 in that column, or that's what I put?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Mattjbr2 on November 06, 2017, 11:51:42 am
Graphs and relation intersection of 2 graphs: 10.98 minutes

Any other questions feel free to ask.

You sure it wasn't 11.11 minutes?

Edit: omg i put y=-62.5x+1125 and y=50x into my CAS instead of 40... yeah it's 10.98.  :'(
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: em_gugel on November 06, 2017, 11:52:55 am
I got 11 minutes for the graphs and relations question after putting it in my CAS  :(
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Rosel___a on November 06, 2017, 11:54:30 am
Whats this I hear about the matrix L question. What could it be besides [ 0 1 1 ]?

I got [0 1 1] too
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: superficious on November 06, 2017, 11:54:52 am
I got 11 minutes for the graphs and relations question after putting it in my CAS  :(

I got 11 too so..
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: addictwithatextbook on November 06, 2017, 11:57:42 am
what did u guys do for that  total question for matrices?

Vague question but I did 750 junior students, or L = [0 1 1], or some other answer to the question you're asking?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: dx1sy on November 06, 2017, 11:58:40 am
I got 11 too so..
I got 10.98
It asked for the minutes to two decimal places, so it can't be 11 minutes.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Rosel___a on November 06, 2017, 11:59:22 am
For the last question in Business, i think, was the equation
Ao=428, An+1=1.00125an
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: AbanoubKT on November 06, 2017, 12:01:30 pm
For the last question in Business, i think, was the equation
Ao=428, An+1=1.00125an
Yesssss
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: addictwithatextbook on November 06, 2017, 12:02:53 pm
For the last question in Business, i think, was the equation
Ao=428, An+1=1.00125an

I only did An+1=1.015An because the question said the rate was 1.5% per month!  :-\
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: accoleg on November 06, 2017, 12:03:45 pm
For the 2 mark matrices question, I think I got 30% of the senior students who were expected to do Investigation in term 3 and was expected in Service in term 2? It was similar to a question on 2016 VCAA exam 2.

I got 30% as well?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: ethanh_11 on November 06, 2017, 12:04:00 pm
For the last question in Business, i think, was the equation
Ao=428, An+1=1.00125an

1.0125An I believe
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Something2016 on November 06, 2017, 12:05:54 pm
I think that matrix question in which L was required was wrong, they stated that the product of the matrix L and the given matrix will give the total cost of rolls and sandwiches over the 3 weeks, but instead it gives the total cost of all 3 food items over weeks 2 and 3?

Am I right?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: jonwil on November 06, 2017, 12:06:49 pm
Can someone please confirm for me the answer for the last Business question= $805.65?

Yeah mate thats the way
For the last question in Business it was pretty straight forward
Current value 360000
Find value after 4 years
Put that into ur current
Put your future as 500000
No interest has changed therefore the 800$ or so dollars is your monthly
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: billy606 on November 06, 2017, 12:09:56 pm
I only did An+1=1.015An because the question said the rate was 1.5% per month!  :-\
I did the same.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: elle6299 on November 06, 2017, 12:10:03 pm
Did anyone struggle to finish?
A lot of people at my school, including me, said that they were unable to.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: som0007 on November 06, 2017, 12:10:45 pm
1.0125An I believe
Its already compounded monthly so i think is is 1.015An not 1.00125An
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: rosiemac on November 06, 2017, 12:11:18 pm
hi guys how many marks will I lose max for stuffing up the significant figures question??
thanks
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: mathisfunlol on November 06, 2017, 12:12:00 pm
My answers:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7Kzcn-bvDvdQ0ZYNVN6SGhOZjA/view?usp=sharing

6c is wrong, 7b is 805.65, 4c might be wrong
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: billy606 on November 06, 2017, 12:13:47 pm
hi guys how many marks will I lose max for stuffing up the significant figures question??
thanks
3 marks if you stuffed up all the significant figure rounding. 2 for the regression equation and one for the question above.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: omxrk on November 06, 2017, 12:14:07 pm
It is 1.015An as there is no need to divide by 1200, due to 1.5 being the monthly interest rate. The follow up question regarding the interest charged was $26.26.

The matrices question was difficult to see through but it wasn't 30%, it was 25%. You had to calculate the amount of students that joined I from S and divide by the total amount of students in I in term 3.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: rosiemac on November 06, 2017, 12:15:24 pm
3 marks if you stuffed up all the significant figure rounding. 2 for the regression equation and one for the question above.

if I only stuffed one up number??
could I still get consequential marks?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: accoleg on November 06, 2017, 12:23:30 pm
if I only stuffed one up number??
could I still get consequential marks?
They'd definitely make allowances for this when creating the marking scheme, best case scenarion one lost for the rounding, and consequentlials for the regression and question after or, worst case, two marks lost for rounding + regresssion and a consequential if you show that you used the incorrectly rounded figure
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: deanator71 on November 06, 2017, 12:24:15 pm
I got 10.98
It asked for the minutes to two decimal places, so it can't be 11 minutes.
Me too. Phew. Only lost one mark so far!
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: hk9191 on November 06, 2017, 12:25:07 pm
My answers:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7Kzcn-bvDvdQ0ZYNVN6SGhOZjA/view?usp=sharing

6c is wrong, 7b is 805.65, 4c is 708

4C) Is 709 Hectares
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: hk9191 on November 06, 2017, 12:25:57 pm
hey what was the annual flat rate depreciation percentage looking for? i got 4.5% but how can there be one rate when its decreasing by a greater percentage every year?

The Flat rate of depreciation is a percentage of the initial value, so 4.5% I believe is correct.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: kirstfletch99 on November 06, 2017, 12:32:01 pm
I only did An+1=1.015An because the question said the rate was 1.5% per month!  :-\

That's what i did as well
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: mathisfunlol on November 06, 2017, 12:34:08 pm
4C) Is 709 Hectares

Thats what I thought, but others told me it wasn't!
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: hk9191 on November 06, 2017, 12:36:22 pm
Thats what I thought, but others told me it wasn't!

Im not quite sure how it could be 708, if you solve it in the cas for log10(y)=-14.4+0.00854*2020 it comes out to 709.251 which is 709 to the nearest hectare?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: vZoneone on November 06, 2017, 12:36:31 pm
4C) Is 709 Hectares


10^2.85 is 707.9457843841
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: kirstfletch99 on November 06, 2017, 12:40:56 pm
anyone know if we needed to find both sides of the lid or just one?

I just found one; it was the first question in geometry so I wasn't expecting to have to read into it that much. Plus if you found both sides you're kinda treating it as a 3D object so with that logic wouldn't you need to find the areas of the sides as well? They didn't give us the thickness of the lid so we wouldn't have been able to do that anyway! I feel like if they wanted both they probably would have specified that we had to find the inside and outside but then again that's just me SERIOUSLY hoping that the answer I gave was right, they did use the phrase "surface area of the lid" too so they may have been implying both sides.....it could be either tbh, VCAA does what they want hahahaha
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: jonathanelias123 on November 06, 2017, 12:42:15 pm
I just found one; it was the first question in geometry so I wasn't expecting to have to read into it that much. Plus if you found both sides you're kinda treating it as a 3D object so with that logic wouldn't you need to find the areas of the sides as well? They didn't give us the thickness of the lid so we wouldn't have been able to do that anyway! I feel like if they wanted both they probably would have specified that we had to find the inside and outside but then again that's just me SERIOUSLY hoping that the answer I gave was right, they did use the phrase "surface area of the lid" too so they may have been implying both sides.....it could be either tbh, VCAA does what they want hahahaha
the question specified both the lid and base, it said that in brackets
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: deanator71 on November 06, 2017, 12:42:38 pm
10^2.85 is 707.9457843841

I think what is creating the confusion is the following:

If you use the exact values provided on the exam paper e.g. 2.85, then 10^2.85 = 707.95 ~ 708.
But if you do it off the regression equation: -14.4 + 0.00854 * 2020 = 2.8508 and then 10^2.8508 = 709.25 ~ 709.
Since the answer is provided in the question, I think 708 is the better answer. Or am I wrong?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: kirstfletch99 on November 06, 2017, 12:43:50 pm
Thats what I thought, but others told me it wasn't!

Nah it was 708 because you solve log10(x)=2.85 and you get x=707.945... which round to 708 hectares to the nearest hectare.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Tknight on November 06, 2017, 12:44:15 pm
Yeah I got that.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: jonathanelias123 on November 06, 2017, 12:45:58 pm
Anyone know when the answers are going to come out?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Seamus212205 on November 06, 2017, 12:46:15 pm
For that matrices question, 25% or 20%?? I initially wrote 25% and then redid it and got 20% :/
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: jonathanelias123 on November 06, 2017, 12:47:01 pm
25% or 20%?? I initially wrote 25% and then redid it and got 20% :/
I got 25%
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: mathisfunlol on November 06, 2017, 12:47:44 pm
I think what is creating the confusion is the following:

If you use the exact values provided on the exam paper e.g. 2.85, then 10^2.85 = 707.95 ~ 708.
But if you do it off the regression equation: -14.4 + 0.00854 * 2020 = 2.8508 and then 10^2.8508 = 709.25 ~ 709.
Since the answer is provided in the question, I think 708 is the better answer. Or am I wrong?

Good point, I can't remember the question well, then I guess both are technically right if you're using any of the values you are given?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: kirstfletch99 on November 06, 2017, 12:48:18 pm
the question specified both the lid and base, it said that in brackets

Yeah but I think you're thinking of part b because it said it there but in part a it asked you to find the surface area of the lid but didn't specify whether it wanted just the outside area of it or the outside AND the inside area. I though because they specified it in part b and didn't in part a that I would just find the outside area of the lid and not the inside. Seriously have no idea now though.....
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: vZoneone on November 06, 2017, 12:48:42 pm
I think what is creating the confusion is the following:

If you use the exact values provided on the exam paper e.g. 2.85, then 10^2.85 = 707.95 ~ 708.
But if you do it off the regression equation: -14.4 + 0.00854 * 2020 = 2.8508 and then 10^2.8508 = 709.25 ~ 709.
Since the answer is provided in the question, I think 708 is the better answer. Or am I wrong?

Yeh I agree considering they give you the number that you should use that number. It's not methods where you have to use exact numbers...
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: deanator71 on November 06, 2017, 12:50:34 pm
Good point, I can't remember the question well, then I guess both are technically right if you're using any of the values you are given?
Not exactly sure, but since the value of 2.85 is in the question, I think the examiners would want you to use it and so 708 might be the better answer in this case.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Thunder8621 on November 06, 2017, 12:51:33 pm
Anybody know if a copy of Exam 2 is available yet?! 😂
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: kirstfletch99 on November 06, 2017, 12:52:09 pm
I think what is creating the confusion is the following:

If you use the exact values provided on the exam paper e.g. 2.85, then 10^2.85 = 707.95 ~ 708.
But if you do it off the regression equation: -14.4 + 0.00854 * 2020 = 2.8508 and then 10^2.8508 = 709.25 ~ 709.
Since the answer is provided in the question, I think 708 is the better answer. Or am I wrong?

Nah nah you're totally right, that makes sense. I did 708 because I didn't even consider using a different value! Also because they give you the value of 2.85 IN the question you would have to use that value, otherwise they wouldn't have bothered giving it to you at all! :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: katg on November 06, 2017, 12:55:26 pm
Can someone please confirm for me the answer for the last Business question= $805.65?
YES thats what i got!
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: ethanh_11 on November 06, 2017, 12:56:14 pm
My answers:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7Kzcn-bvDvdQ0ZYNVN6SGhOZjA/view?usp=sharing

6c is wrong, 7b is 805.65, 4c might be wrong


With 11B, can anyone explain what the answer is. When you use the matrix and solve it, the cost is equal to 3.8. However, the total cost was 487 or something from memory, and 3.8 x 159 (total sandwiches sold) = $604.20. The answer could be found using $487/159 = roughly $3.07. Thoughts?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: katg on November 06, 2017, 12:56:37 pm
Hey so is it true that losing one mark in the further maths exam is essentially the same as losing a study score?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: addictwithatextbook on November 06, 2017, 12:58:26 pm
The matrices question was difficult to see through but it wasn't 30%, it was 25%. You had to calculate the amount of students that joined I from S and divide by the total amount of students in I in term 3.

I see my mistake :( I divided 60 by 200 instead of 240. I should've checked it. I'm so devastated haha

Since it was a two mark question (and I showed my working out, e.g. no. of I students in Term 3=240, no. of S students in Term 2=200, no. of I students that joined from F=60, then percentage=60/200(shouldve been 240, not 200), will I still be able to get a method mark?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: jonathanelias123 on November 06, 2017, 12:59:02 pm
Hey so is it true that losing one mark in the further maths exam is essentially the same as losing a study score?
I believe so, because further is relatively easy, it is very dramatic and one mark is about one study score around the 45-50 range
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: jonathanelias123 on November 06, 2017, 12:59:44 pm
What did people get for the highest value for the investigation class
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: deanator71 on November 06, 2017, 01:01:56 pm
What did people get for the highest value for the investigation class
250 people I think?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: jonathanelias123 on November 06, 2017, 01:03:58 pm
250 people I think?
Beautiful, I thought that was supposed to be a trick question or something, but that's what I put
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: crackleking on November 06, 2017, 01:07:59 pm
What did we think for the final geometry question with the path length, I got 153 by finding the length of the triangle and minusing from radius 50 to get 12 which when adding the 50 times 2 and (65-12) gave me 153m
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Mojo Z on November 06, 2017, 01:09:52 pm
What did we think for the final geometry question with the path length, I got 153 by finding the length of the triangle and minusing from radius 50 to get 12 which when adding the 50 times 2 and (65-12) gave me 153m
Yup!! i did that too! Hopefully it's right!
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: jonathanelias123 on November 06, 2017, 01:11:50 pm
What did we think for the final geometry question with the path length, I got 153 by finding the length of the triangle and minusing from radius 50 to get 12 which when adding the 50 times 2 and (65-12) gave me 153m
affirmative
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: hk9191 on November 06, 2017, 01:15:37 pm
I think what is creating the confusion is the following:

If you use the exact values provided on the exam paper e.g. 2.85, then 10^2.85 = 707.95 ~ 708.
But if you do it off the regression equation: -14.4 + 0.00854 * 2020 = 2.8508 and then 10^2.8508 = 709.25 ~ 709.
Since the answer is provided in the question, I think 708 is the better answer. Or am I wrong?

I think VCAA will only accept 708, but the regression equation is in part i of the same question and I guess it could be assumed that the predictions are supposed to stem from the regression line exactly? idk
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: kirstfletch99 on November 06, 2017, 01:16:22 pm
What did we think for the final geometry question with the path length, I got 153 by finding the length of the triangle and minusing from radius 50 to get 12 which when adding the 50 times 2 and (65-12) gave me 153m

That's what I did as well! :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: aussiegodx on November 06, 2017, 01:21:43 pm
For the lid questiobon, did people do one side of both, talking about part a not c
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: crackleking on November 06, 2017, 01:23:09 pm
I did one because as they didn't give us the thickness of the lid so that wouldn't be the true total surface area anyway
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Paolo Grande on November 06, 2017, 01:32:58 pm
Answers so far:
Core Q1ai 72
              aii 25%
              bi 84%
                ii 209
               c  105
            2a   place of capture
               b  20mm
               c  min 16mm  Q3 36mm
               d  52 is greater than upper fence 50 so it is an outlier
               e  The median wingspan of moths in grassland is 30mm when compared with median wingspan of moths in the
                    forest of 21mm. Wingspan is therefore associated with the location where they are caught.
             3a  egg density = -46.8 + 18.9 x number of male moths
               bi choose two points to input into equation given ie (10,504) and (60,2064) and draw line.
                ii for every additional female moth caught the egg density increases on average by 18.9.
               iii -412.5
               iv 74.3% of variation in egg density can be explained by the variation in number of female moths caught.
            4a   0.009
              b    log(area) = -14.4 + 0.009 x year
              ci  708 hectares
               ii  Extrapolated result
             5a 3375, 71625, 3375, 68250
               bi $3375
                ii 4.5%
               c  5.7%
              6a $203
                b Ao = 428, An+1= 1.015 x An
                c  $454.26
               7a  $1560
                 b  $805.65
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: drepwns on November 06, 2017, 01:35:11 pm
Answers so far:
Core Q1ai 72
              aii 25%
              bi 84%
                ii 209
               c  105
            2a   place of capture
               b  20mm
               c  min 16mm  Q3 36mm
               d  52 is greater than upper fence 50 so it is an outlier
               e  The median wingspan of moths in grassland is 30mm when compared with median wingspan of moths in the
                    forest of 21mm. Wingspan is therefore associated with the location where they are caught.
             3a  egg density = -46.8 + 18.9 x number of male moths
               bi choose two points to input into equation given ie (10,504) and (60,2064) and draw line.
                ii for every additional female moth caught the egg density increases on average by 18.9.
               iii -412.5
               iv 74.3% of variation in egg density can be explained by the variation in number of female moths caught.
            4a   0.009
              b    log(area) = -14.4 + 0.009 x year
              ci  708 hectares
               ii  Extrapolated result
             5a 3375, 71625, 3375, 68250
               bi $3375
                ii 4.5%
               c  5.7%
              6a $203
                b Ao = 428, An+1= 1.015 x An
                c  $454.26
               7a  $1560
                 b  $805.65

Some of these are wrong
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: jonathanelias123 on November 06, 2017, 01:36:21 pm
Answers so far:
Core Q1ai 72
              aii 25%
              bi 84%
                ii 209
               c  105
            2a   place of capture
               b  20mm
               c  min 16mm  Q3 36mm
               d  52 is greater than upper fence 50 so it is an outlier
               e  The median wingspan of moths in grassland is 30mm when compared with median wingspan of moths in the
                    forest of 21mm. Wingspan is therefore associated with the location where they are caught.
             3a  egg density = -46.8 + 18.9 x number of male moths
               bi choose two points to input into equation given ie (10,504) and (60,2064) and draw line.
                ii for every additional female moth caught the egg density increases on average by 18.9.
               iii -412.5
               iv 74.3% of variation in egg density can be explained by the variation in number of female moths caught.
            4a   0.009
              b    log(area) = -14.4 + 0.009 x year
              ci  708 hectares
               ii  Extrapolated result
             5a 3375, 71625, 3375, 68250
               bi $3375
                ii 4.5%
               c  5.7%
              6a $203
                b Ao = 428, An+1= 1.015 x An
                c  $454.26
               7a  $1560
                 b  $805.65
I believe Q1bii is 975 and Q4a is 0.00854
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: crackleking on November 06, 2017, 01:36:39 pm
0.009 isn't 3 sig figs it is one
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: superficious on November 06, 2017, 01:37:02 pm
These are my answers for the exam correct me if i’m wrong thanks:

1)a)i) 72 ii) 25% b)i) 84% ii) 97.5%
c) 105

2)a)place of capture
b) 20
c) 16,36
d)32+(1.5x12)=50, 52 is an outlier
e) Median is greater for grasslands etc

3)a) -46.8+18.9
b)ii) number of moths increases by 1 results in an increase of egg density by 31.3
iii) -412.5
iv) 74.3% variation

4)a) 0.009 b)-14.4+0.009x
c)i) 416
ii)limited reliability bc of extrapolation

5)a) 3375, 71625-3375=68250
b)i) 3375 ii) 4.5%
c) 5.7%

6)a) $203
b) A•=428, An+1=1.015An
c) $454.26

7)a) $1560
b) $805.65

Matrices::

1)a) 159 b)Rolls sold in week 1
c)i) 3.8 ii) [ 0 1 1 ]
2)a) 40% b) 0.4, 0.6, 0.2
c) 750
3)a) 320 b) [250, 250, 300, 200]
c) 30% d) 250

Graphs::

1)a) 2 metres b) 8am till 6pm

2)a) 500 metres
b) 200=k x 5
k=200/5
k=40
d) 11 minutes

3) a) 2 b) number of junior lifeguards and senior lifeguards must be equal to or more than 12
c) 220
d)9.6=10
2.4=2



For Question 4 apparently its wrong so im not so sure, and 3)d) for graphs apparently has to be 9.6 and 2.4 instead of the rounded values of 10 and 2, I rounded them because it made sense as you typically dont see 9.6 lifeguards like??





Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: mathisfunlol on November 06, 2017, 01:38:31 pm
Answers so far:
Core Q1ai 72
              aii 25%
              bi 84%
                ii 209
               c  105
            2a   place of capture
               b  20mm
               c  min 16mm  Q3 36mm
               d  52 is greater than upper fence 50 so it is an outlier
               e  The median wingspan of moths in grassland is 30mm when compared with median wingspan of moths in the
                    forest of 21mm. Wingspan is therefore associated with the location where they are caught.
             3a  egg density = -46.8 + 18.9 x number of male moths
               bi choose two points to input into equation given ie (10,504) and (60,2064) and draw line.
                ii for every additional female moth caught the egg density increases on average by 18.9.
               iii -412.5
               iv 74.3% of variation in egg density can be explained by the variation in number of female moths caught.
            4a   0.009
              b    log(area) = -14.4 + 0.009 x year
              ci  708 hectares
               ii  Extrapolated result
             5a 3375, 71625, 3375, 68250
               bi $3375
                ii 4.5%
               c  5.7%
              6a $203
                b Ao = 428, An+1= 1.015 x An
                c  $454.26
               7a  $1560
                 b  $805.65
Core
1bii is 975

Graphs
2a is 600
2d is 10.98
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: giglim12 on November 06, 2017, 01:38:43 pm
In the last geometry question, did anybody else take the path to include every broken line instead of a the straight line directly from A to B?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: drepwns on November 06, 2017, 01:38:59 pm
These are my answers for the exam correct me if i’m wrong thanks:

1)a)i) 72 ii) 25% b)i) 84% ii) 97.5%
c) 105

2)a)place of capture
b) 20
c) 16,36
d)32+(1.5x12)=50, 52 is an outlier
e) Median is greater for grasslands etc

3)a) -46.8+18.9
b)ii) number of moths increases by 1 results in an increase of egg density by 31.3
iii) -412.5
iv) 74.3% variation

4)a) 0.009 b)-14.4+0.009x
c)i) 416
ii)limited reliability bc of extrapolation

5)a) 3375, 71625-3375=68250
b)i) 3375 ii) 4.5%
c) 5.7%

6)a) $203
b) A•=428, An+1=1.015An
c) $454.26

7)a) $1560
b) $805.65

Matrices::

1)a) 159 b)Rolls sold in week 1
c)i) 3.8 ii) [ 0 1 1 ]
2)a) 40% b) 0.4, 0.6, 0.2
c) 750
3)a) 320 b) [250, 250, 300, 200]
c) 30% d) 250

Graphs::

1)a) 2 metres b) 8am till 6pm

2)a) 500 metres
b) 200=k x 5
k=200/5
k=40
d) 11 minutes

3) a) 2 b) number of junior lifeguards and senior lifeguards must be equal to or more than 12
c) 220
d)9.6=10
2.4=2



For Question 4 apparently its wrong so im not so sure, and 3)d) for graphs apparently has to be 9.6 and 2.4 instead of the rounded values of 10 and 2, I rounded them because it made sense as you typically dont see 9.6 lifeguards like??







6c asked for interest paid, not entire amount paid
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: jonwil on November 06, 2017, 01:41:42 pm
Answers so far:
Core Q1ai 72
              aii 25%
              bi 84%
                ii 209
               c  105
            2a   place of capture
               b  20mm
               c  min 16mm  Q3 36mm
               d  52 is greater than upper fence 50 so it is an outlier
               e  The median wingspan of moths in grassland is 30mm when compared with median wingspan of moths in the
                    forest of 21mm. Wingspan is therefore associated with the location where they are caught.
             3a  egg density = -46.8 + 18.9 x number of male moths
               bi choose two points to input into equation given ie (10,504) and (60,2064) and draw line.
                ii for every additional female moth caught the egg density increases on average by 18.9.
               iii -412.5
               iv 74.3% of variation in egg density can be explained by the variation in number of female moths caught.
            4a   0.009
              b    log(area) = -14.4 + 0.009 x year
              ci  708 hectares
               ii  Extrapolated result
             5a 3375, 71625, 3375, 68250
               bi $3375
                ii 4.5%
               c  5.7%
              6a $203
                b Ao = 428, An+1= 1.015 x An
                c  $454.26
               7a  $1560
                 b  $805.65

Bro your 0.009 is wrong
3 Sig figs is 0.00854 I think or 0.00853
Everything else tho is right!
Oh an that 30% for matrices the hard one is 25%
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: mammes on November 06, 2017, 01:42:54 pm
These are my answers for the exam correct me if i’m wrong thanks:

1)a)i) 72 ii) 25% b)i) 84% ii) 97.5%
c) 105

2)a)place of capture
b) 20
c) 16,36
d)32+(1.5x12)=50, 52 is an outlier
e) Median is greater for grasslands etc

3)a) -46.8+18.9
b)ii) number of moths increases by 1 results in an increase of egg density by 31.3
iii) -412.5
iv) 74.3% variation

4)a) 0.009 b)-14.4+0.009x
c)i) 416
ii)limited reliability bc of extrapolation

5)a) 3375, 71625-3375=68250
b)i) 3375 ii) 4.5%
c) 5.7%

6)a) $203
b) A•=428, An+1=1.015An
c) $454.26

7)a) $1560
b) $805.65

Matrices::

1)a) 159 b)Rolls sold in week 1
c)i) 3.8 ii) [ 0 1 1 ]
2)a) 40% b) 0.4, 0.6, 0.2
c) 750
3)a) 320 b) [250, 250, 300, 200]
c) 30% d) 250


These are incorrect.

97.5% of 1000 is 975

0.009 should've been 0.00854

10^2.85 = 708

asked for interest she paid not how much, so should've subtracted 428 and got $26.26

30% is 25%
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Paolo Grande on November 06, 2017, 01:43:26 pm
Matrices
             Q1a  159
                  b  number of rolls sold in week 2
                  ci a=$4.65  b=$4.20  c= $3.80
                   ii [0 1 1 ]
                2a  40%
                  b   0.4, 0.6, 0.2
                  c   516
                3a  320
                   b  250,250,300, 200.
                   c 25%
                   d 250

Geometry and Trigonometry
                1ai  760
                    ii  4536
                   b   80cm
                 2a   10pm Wednesday
                   bi  193m
                     ii  015T
                   c    4681km
                   d    4524 km
                 3a    cos-1(50^2+50^2-65^2/2x50x50) = 81 degrees
                   b     438m
                   c     153m
   
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: stella18 on November 06, 2017, 01:46:40 pm
These are my answers for the exam correct me if i’m wrong thanks:

1)a)i) 72 ii) 25% b)i) 84% ii) 97.5%
c) 105

2)a)place of capture
b) 20
c) 16,36
d)32+(1.5x12)=50, 52 is an outlier
e) Median is greater for grasslands etc

3)a) -46.8+18.9
b)ii) number of moths increases by 1 results in an increase of egg density by 31.3
iii) -412.5
iv) 74.3% variation

4)a) 0.009 b)-14.4+0.009x
c)i) 416
ii)limited reliability bc of extrapolation

5)a) 3375, 71625-3375=68250
b)i) 3375 ii) 4.5%
c) 5.7%

6)a) $203
b) A•=428, An+1=1.015An
c) $454.26

7)a) $1560
b) $805.65

Matrices::

1)a) 159 b)Rolls sold in week 1
c)i) 3.8 ii) [ 0 1 1 ]
2)a) 40% b) 0.4, 0.6, 0.2
c) 750
3)a) 320 b) [250, 250, 300, 200]
c) 30% d) 250

Graphs::

1)a) 2 metres b) 8am till 6pm

2)a) 500 metres
b) 200=k x 5
k=200/5
k=40
d) 11 minutes

3) a) 2 b) number of junior lifeguards and senior lifeguards must be equal to or more than 12
c) 220
d)9.6=10
2.4=2



For Question 4 apparently its wrong so im not so sure, and 3)d) for graphs apparently has to be 9.6 and 2.4 instead of the rounded values of 10 and 2, I rounded them because it made sense as you typically dont see 9.6 lifeguards like??


For the core question about significant figures isn't it 0.00854 or similar as zeros after decimal/ only count once a non zero number is there?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: hsbcfob on November 06, 2017, 01:47:59 pm
Matrices
             Q1a  159
                  b  number of rolls sold in week 2
                  ci a=$4.65  b=$4.20  c= $3.80
                   ii [0 1 1 ]
                2a  40%
                  b   0.4, 0.6, 0.2
                  c   516
                3a  320
                   b  250,250,300, 200.
                   c 25%
                   d 250

Geometry and Trigonometry
                1ai  760
                    ii  4536
                   b   80cm
                 2a   10pm Wednesday
                   bi  193m
                     ii  015T
                   c    4681km
                   d    4524 km
                 3a    cos-1(50^2+50^2-65^2/2x50x50) = 81 degrees
                   b     438m
                   c     153m
 
the walker went 50m west, not east so the bearing should be 345 degrees T not 15 degrees T
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Paolo Grande on November 06, 2017, 01:51:26 pm
Graphs and Relations
             Q1a.   2m
                  b.   8am-6pm
                 2a   600m
                   b   500/12.5 = 40
                   c   first part from 0 500m at 10 minutes then from 500m to 0m after 18 minutes
                   d   10.98 minutes
                  3a   2
                    b  the total number of lifeguards required must be at least 12
                    c   $220
                    d 10 and 3
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: rg_123 on November 06, 2017, 01:52:51 pm
Hey Guys,

For the second question of finance if you divided the 1.5% by 1200, not realising that it was already in the monthly rate, you would drop the mark for part a, but get one mark out of the two for the recurrence relations, for getting the A0 value correct I assume? Would you also qualify for a consequential mark for the last mark of the question if you used your previous (incorrect answer) correctly?

Thanks
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: deanator71 on November 06, 2017, 01:53:20 pm
These are my answers for the exam correct me if i’m wrong thanks:
3) a) 2 b) number of junior lifeguards and senior lifeguards must be equal to or more than 12
c) 220
d)9.6=10
2.4=2

For Question 4 apparently its wrong so im not so sure, and 3)d) for graphs apparently has to be 9.6 and 2.4 instead of the rounded values of 10 and 2, I rounded them because it made sense as you typically dont see 9.6 lifeguards like??

In Question 3 of the graphs and relations module, 10 and 2 are outside the feasible region. (As one constraint was y>=x/4 and 2 < 10/4) So the next choice was 9 and 3 as the lowest.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: joojam on November 06, 2017, 02:01:27 pm
How do all you freak remember your answers? Is the exam posted somewhere? Lol
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: superficious on November 06, 2017, 02:05:48 pm
How do all you freak remember your answers? Is the exam posted somewhere? Lol

I wrote my answers on the back of the formula sheet they gave us to check on thereafter
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Paolo Grande on November 06, 2017, 02:06:54 pm
Sorry posted 015T should have been 345T in Geometry and Trig Q2 bi
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Tknight on November 06, 2017, 02:08:02 pm
Hey, so in exam 1 i think I lost 7 marks and in exam 2, maybe 2-3 marks. what study score do you think i'll get?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: mathisfunlol on November 06, 2017, 02:14:08 pm
Hey, so in exam 1 i think I lost 7 marks and in exam 2, maybe 2-3 marks. what study score do you think i'll get?

Off last years results, A (one off b+) for exam 1, a+ for exam 2, probs be 40ish

Exam one was harder than other years apparently though
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: mammes on November 06, 2017, 02:16:00 pm
Networks Answers:


1a $20
1b Q and R
1c 6, 7, 11

2a Colin must complete tour 2
2b 43 minutes

3a minimum spanning tree
3aii should've made a W at the top and an extended Y at the bottom

4a D and E
4bi AEILN
4bii 6 days
4ci 17days
4cii (tricky question) $4000 G I J L (G being tricky as it wasn't on the critical path but had a float of 1)


Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: winged dragon 151 on November 06, 2017, 02:18:23 pm
Can someone please confirm for me the answer for the last Business question= $805.65?

I can't confirm but that seems to be the correct answer! (I got the same lol)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Paolo Grande on November 06, 2017, 02:21:14 pm
Correction to Core Q6c 454.26 - 428 = $26.26
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: waterangel82 on November 06, 2017, 02:24:52 pm
Networks Answers:


1a $20
1b Q and R
1c 6, 7, 11

2a Colin must complete tour 2
2b 43 minutes

3a minimum spanning tree
3aii should've made a W at the top and an extended Y at the bottom

4a D and E
4bi AEILN
4bii 6 days
4ci 17days
4cii (tricky question) $4000 G I J L (G being tricky as it wasn't on the critical path but had a float of 1)




Correction to 1a - $120
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Mojo Z on November 06, 2017, 02:28:19 pm
Does anyone have the actual exam (so we can see the ques)???
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: serenams on November 06, 2017, 02:31:12 pm
would a SSC of 43 be pushing it?
I heard from my teacher that the standard deviation for further maths is 6. So if the average is 30 and you want a 42, you have to be in the top 2.5% but with the amount of marks you lost, I don’t think that’s possible, so it’s probably pushing it.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: zuleika on November 06, 2017, 02:46:05 pm
My answers to the first 4 modules

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B17oTMk43v4aVkVaa2ZGeTlhYjg/view?usp=sharing


I got the same answers!! Yes
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: superfly on November 06, 2017, 03:08:45 pm
hey so if i lost 2 marks in exam 1 and lost no marks or 1 mark in exam 2 and my school ranking is in top 8 what study score would i get?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: drepwns on November 06, 2017, 03:14:23 pm
hey so if i lost 2 marks in exam 1 and lost no marks or 1 mark in exam 2 and my school ranking is in top 8 what study score would i get?

Exact same position, please answer :o
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: victorvaan on November 06, 2017, 03:18:19 pm
Good point, I can't remember the question well, then I guess both are technically right if you're using any of the values you are given?

I've got a copy of the paper. It says 'Using this value of 2.85, calculate the expected area...' so the only accepted answer I believe will be 708.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: alislawe on November 06, 2017, 03:19:37 pm
Matrices
             Q1a  159
                  b  number of rolls sold in week 2
                  ci a=$4.65  b=$4.20  c= $3.80
                   ii [0 1 1 ]
                2a  40%
                  b   0.4, 0.6, 0.2
                  c   516
                3a  320
                   b  250,250,300, 200.
                   c 25%
                   d 250

Geometry and Trigonometry
                1ai  760
                    ii  4536
                   b   80cm
                 2a   10pm Wednesday
                   bi  193m
                     ii  015T
                   c    4681km
                   d    4524 km
                 3a    cos-1(50^2+50^2-65^2/2x50x50) = 81 degrees
                   b     438m
                   c     153m
 

with geometry 2d, I got 9048km? I don't have the questions on me (so can't remember exactly) but isn't it the great circle distance again, because the two cities are on a great circle so pi x 6400 x 81 /180

also, If I dropped 1 mark on exam 1 and between 1-3 on exam 2, with sacs at around 97/100, would high 40s still be possible?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: AbanoubKT on November 06, 2017, 03:28:05 pm
I stuffed up the question relating to 1.5% interest, if I used 1.5/12 *100 instead, would I be able to receive consequential marks for that question or no?

Exam 1: Dropped 1
Exam 2: Dropped 3-4
Rank 1: 100% sacs

What would my study score be? I was a little disappointed with exam 2
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: GarryN on November 06, 2017, 03:31:32 pm
For Matrices q2c, would i get full marks for stating the no. of students in each of the subjects, rather than state 750?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: ferrop12 on November 06, 2017, 03:41:23 pm
Matrices
             Q1a  159
                  b  number of rolls sold in week 2
                  ci a=$4.65  b=$4.20  c= $3.80
                   ii [0 1 1 ]
                2a  40%
                  b   0.4, 0.6, 0.2
                  c   516
                3a  320
                   b  250,250,300, 200.
                   c 25%
                   d 250

Geometry and Trigonometry
                1ai  760
                    ii  4536
                   b   80cm
                 2a   10pm Wednesday
                   bi  193m
                     ii  015T
                   c    4681km
                   d    4524 km
                 3a    cos-1(50^2+50^2-65^2/2x50x50) = 81 degrees
                   b     438m
                   c     153m
 
Your answers for Geometry could not be more wrong, might want to read the question more carfully.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: addictwithatextbook on November 06, 2017, 03:41:44 pm
For Matrices q2c, would i get full marks for stating the no. of students in each of the subjects, rather than state 750?

Sadly, likely not, as the question was specifically asking for the total number of junior students expected to participate.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: kirstfletch99 on November 06, 2017, 03:49:07 pm
with geometry 2d, I got 9048km? I don't have the questions on me (so can't remember exactly) but isn't it the great circle distance again, because the two cities are on a great circle so pi x 6400 x 81 /180

also, If I dropped 1 mark on exam 1 and between 1-3 on exam 2, with sacs at around 97/100, would high 40s still be possible?

I'm with you, I got 9048km as well. Plus in exactly the same boat! Average of 97, 1 mark lost on exam 1 and predicting around 0-3 on exam 2. I'm hoping for a 45+ raw score which I hope is possible providing I didn't lose any more than 3 marks on exam 2 which I doubt. With such a high SAC average (not perfect but only worth like 34% of the total) I think it's possible.As soon as you start losing more than 1 mark on exam 2 though it will probably drop your study score by around 1 per mark lost, or thereabouts.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: alislawe on November 06, 2017, 04:11:52 pm
I'm with you, I got 9048km as well. Plus in exactly the same boat! Average of 97, 1 mark lost on exam 1 and predicting around 0-3 on exam 2. I'm hoping for a 45+ raw score which I hope is possible providing I didn't lose any more than 3 marks on exam 2 which I doubt. With such a high SAC average (not perfect but only worth like 34% of the total) I think it's possible.As soon as you start losing more than 1 mark on exam 2 though it will probably drop your study score by around 1 per mark lost, or thereabouts.

ahh I hope so, If 9048 is right then I only lost between 1-2 (not sure about the surface area of the box including the lid or not, I've seen mixed answers), so hoping that'll be enough for a 45+
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: jonwil on November 06, 2017, 04:25:12 pm
As it stands these are my percentages and scores

Exam 1: 38/40
Exam 2: 59/60
Sacs : 100%
Rank: 1
What kind of study score am I looking at?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Wisdom17 on November 06, 2017, 04:34:27 pm
What was the answer for the total interest charged to Lisa?? Well that whole question to do with the the payment bill being paid late??
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Mattjbr2 on November 06, 2017, 04:37:43 pm
I've got a copy of the paper. It says 'Using this value of 2.85, calculate the expected area...' so the only accepted answer I believe will be 708.

You've got a copy of the exam?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: kirstfletch99 on November 06, 2017, 04:41:09 pm
What was the answer for the total interest charged to Lisa?? Well that whole question to do with the the payment bill being paid late??

Yeah it was all a part of the one question, I used the recurrence relation we set up in the previous part (or you could do 428x(1.015)^4) to get the value she has to pay after 4 months which is $454.2635... and then I subtracted the initial amount to find the interest so 454.2635...-428= $26.26 (to the nearest cent or whatever it wanted) :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: stevieh on November 06, 2017, 04:44:58 pm
Should I be loooking at a 50? 40/40 for exam 1 according to the suggested answers put up, and from what I've seen discussed about the answers should be 60/60 for exam 2. I believe I was SAC rank 1 with an average of 98% at a strong school.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: St123 on November 06, 2017, 04:48:38 pm
Hi Guys,
is it still possible for me to get 49-50 Study score with the following scores:
SACs- Rank 1 and 100% in a very strong cohort
Exam 1- 39/40
Exam 2- 58-59/60
Thanks :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: plsbegentle on November 06, 2017, 04:54:59 pm
Should I be loooking at a 50? 40/40 for exam 1 according to the suggested answers put up, and from what I've seen discussed about the answers should be 60/60 for exam 2. I believe I was SAC rank 1 with an average of 98% at a strong school.
yes, well done!
Hi Guys,
is it still possible for me to get 49-50 Study score with the following scores:
SACs- Rank 1 and 100% in a very strong cohort
Exam 1- 39/40
Exam 2- 58-59/60
Thanks :)
probs 49
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Wisdom17 on November 06, 2017, 04:56:03 pm
What was the other critical path and the total cost to reduce the project to complete within 17 days??
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: addictwithatextbook on November 06, 2017, 04:57:02 pm
What was the other critical path and the total cost to reduce the project to complete within 17 days??

A-E-I-L-N and $4000
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: drepwns on November 06, 2017, 04:58:19 pm
Hey guys,
so my scores for the exams are:
Exam 1: 38/40 (should've full marked it, but I'm so careless  >:( >:( )
Exam 2: 60/60

Ranked within top 8 at a very strong cohort,
what should I be looking at? Thanks
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: plsbegentle on November 06, 2017, 04:59:49 pm
Hey guys,
so my scores for the exams are:
Exam 1: 38/40 (should've full marked it, but I'm so careless  >:( >:( )
Exam 2: 60/60

Ranked within top 8 at a very strong cohort,
what should I be looking at? Thanks

~48-49
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: crackleking on November 06, 2017, 05:02:07 pm
 could someone also predict my further score.
Rank(10-12)strong cohort
38/40 exam 1
58/60 exam 2
Thanks
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: yaya99.95 on November 06, 2017, 05:04:02 pm
if i lost 3 marks in exam one and 3 in exam 2 what study score am i looking at?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Wisdom17 on November 06, 2017, 05:04:33 pm
What study score would I get if I got 36/40 for exam 1 and 55/60 for exam 2 and averaged 90% on my sacs??
Around 47-49??
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Amelia.d99 on November 06, 2017, 05:05:38 pm
Is it possible for me to still get a 40 study score with the following marks?
- Exam 1: 34/40
- Exam 2: 58/60
Ranked number one, dropped a couple of marks in SACs.
So annoyed at myself for Exam 1 :(
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Something2016 on November 06, 2017, 05:09:25 pm
Hey,
I'm ranked 1st in school with a 100% SAC Average.
If i get,
39/40 Exam 1
60/60 Exam 2

What study score am i looking at? Is a 50 guaranteed or is there a chance i don't get a 50?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: nattyu88 on November 06, 2017, 05:13:26 pm
What study score would I get if I got 36/40 for exam 1 and 55/60 for exam 2 and averaged 90% on my sacs??
Around 47-49??

90% on your sacs doesn't mean anything, its just what you were ranked in your cohort. but with those exam results probably 38-43
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: omcgil15 on November 06, 2017, 05:30:22 pm
Hey,
I'm ranked 1st in school with a 100% SAC Average.
If i get,
39/40 Exam 1
60/60 Exam 2

What study score am i looking at? Is a 50 guaranteed or is there a chance i don't get a 50?

Not a guaranteed 50
I was rank 1
Exam 1: 80/80
Exam 2: 119/120
And that was a 49 in 2015
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: KokKang on November 06, 2017, 05:58:14 pm
95 or 96 /100 for sacs
39/40 for exam 1
59/60 for exam 2
what score am i looking at
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: pippinpie on November 06, 2017, 05:58:47 pm
If my SAC average is 100%, rank one and I full marked exam 1 but dropped 2 marks on exam 2, is a study score above 45 still possible?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: tylqui on November 06, 2017, 06:02:12 pm
If I was ranked 2-3, dropping around 3 marks on the first exam and 1 on the second, what sort of study score would I be looking at? Cheers.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: elaine18 on November 06, 2017, 06:25:14 pm
to get a raw study score higher then 40, what should exam 1 and 2 be out of?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: yaya99.95 on November 06, 2017, 06:37:03 pm
For the question about the water levels and the time it was open i said:
8.00am to 6.00pm (Not Inclusive)

i added the extra information in the bracket because it said it be open when over 1.5m, i'm just wondering whether this extra information will cost me a mark??
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: masn123 on November 06, 2017, 06:47:45 pm
I think that matrix question in which L was required was wrong, they stated that the product of the matrix L and the given matrix will give the total cost of rolls and sandwiches over the 3 weeks, but instead it gives the total cost of all 3 food items over weeks 2 and 3?

Am I right?

Yes, I think so too.  I wonder if the VCAA would pick their mistake and credit the students accordingly.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Hannah Peart on November 06, 2017, 07:01:49 pm
Yes, I think so too.  I wonder if the VCAA would pick their mistake and credit the students accordingly.

No I thought it was wrong too, but the 915ish number (can't remember) was the total of just rolls and sandwiches over the three weeks. The matrix they were looking for was [0 1 1] I believe.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Kendog on November 06, 2017, 07:04:13 pm
if i lost 2 marks in total what study score am i looking at
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: masn123 on November 06, 2017, 07:12:40 pm
No I thought it was wrong too, but the 915ish number (can't remember) was the total of just rolls and sandwiches over the three weeks. The matrix they were looking for was [0 1 1] I believe.

Here is the link to the exam and the solutions as posted by someone to this forum:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B17oTMk43v4aVkVaa2ZGeTlhYjg/view?usp=sharing

Please check the question Q1cii Matrices again.  I still feel it is wrong. Because the total of just rolls and sandwiches over the three weeks adds upto 965.40 (604.20 for the sandwiches and 361.20 for the rolls)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Mamba on November 06, 2017, 07:19:52 pm
Anyone got the solutions for modules 3 and 4? They have been posted but some seem questionable.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Hannah Peart on November 06, 2017, 07:26:08 pm
Study score estimate if dropped 1 mark all year, 40/40 on exam one and 56/60 on exam 2?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Mattjbr2 on November 06, 2017, 07:32:40 pm
Here is the link to the exam and the solutions as posted by someone to this forum:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B17oTMk43v4aVkVaa2ZGeTlhYjg/view?usp=sharing

Please check the question Q1cii Matrices again.  I still feel it is wrong. Because the total of just rolls and sandwiches over the three weeks adds upto 965.40 (604.20 for the sandwiches and 361.20 for the rolls)

Yup it is wrong. In cii, if you think about what each row represents, they're totals for weeks 1, 2 and 3. Rows 2 and 3 represent the total earnings for weeks 2 and 3 for all Rolls, Sandwiches AND Pies
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Mattjbr2 on November 06, 2017, 07:43:38 pm
Error in the exam. Matrices Q1cii

See the attachment. Clearly, rows 1,2 and 3 represent the total earnings for weeks 1, 2 and 3, respectively. Hence the sum of rows 2 and 3 in Q1cii represent the total earnings for weeks 2 and 3, NOT the total earnings for Rolls and Sandwiches for all 3 weeks.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: ShaneRoach7777777 on November 06, 2017, 07:44:37 pm
What score do you think would be possible with;
SAC Score: 82 - 83 / 100
Exam 1: 36 / 40
Exam 2: (predicted) 55 - 56 / 60?
ranked roughly 7th or 8th in my cohort

Thanks!!  :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: mtDNA on November 06, 2017, 08:00:38 pm
What did people get for the second geometry question (finding the full surface area)?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Muso Wick on November 06, 2017, 08:06:08 pm
Found the 1x3 L matrix question difficult. The wording wasn’t very clear and everything I tried didn’t seem to give me the answer I needed. What was it asking for?
I believe it was a 1x3 summing matrix
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: jonathanelias123 on November 06, 2017, 08:06:22 pm
Anyone got the solutions for modules 3 and 4? They have been posted but some seem questionable.
where are the answers?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: alislawe on November 06, 2017, 08:20:07 pm
What did people get for the second geometry question (finding the full surface area)?

2x32x19 + 2x32x40 + 2x40x19 = 5296m squared but I've seen other answers so not sure If I read the question wrong?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: mtDNA on November 06, 2017, 08:21:30 pm
2x32x19 + 2x32x40 + 2x40x19 = 5296m squared but I've seen other answers so not sure If I read the question wrong?

I got the same, and I just checked with a friend so we should be right (hopefully)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: kirstfletch99 on November 06, 2017, 08:59:34 pm
What did people get for the second geometry question (finding the full surface area)?

I got 5296 as well but like others I am questioning if maybe I read the question wrong.....I’m pretty sure I read it right but won’t know until I see the exam again.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: GarryN on November 06, 2017, 09:02:20 pm
When it asks you to sketch the line. Do you need to label the line or label any of the points?  WOuld you lose marks for not labelling. (Question 3b in core, sketching the regression line)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: winged dragon 151 on November 06, 2017, 09:16:56 pm
For the last question on Linear graphs is the objective function 15y+25x or 15x+25y
If it's the second one I got the question wrong but PLEASE SOMEONE upload the
linear graphs part of the exam
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Vaike on November 06, 2017, 09:17:52 pm
Study score estimate if dropped 1 mark all year, 40/40 on exam one and 56/60 on exam 2?

Probably sitting around 46-47 I'd think.

What score do you think would be possible with;
...

I'd suggest low 40s, maybe a 41 or a 42. 
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Jemin99 on November 06, 2017, 09:18:06 pm
When it asks you to sketch the line. Do you need to label the line or label any of the points?  WOuld you lose marks for not labelling. (Question 3b in core, sketching the regression line)
nope you don't have to, confirmed by our further teacher
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: alislawe on November 06, 2017, 09:19:33 pm
I got the same, and I just checked with a friend so we should be right (hopefully)

I got 5296 as well but like others I am questioning if maybe I read the question wrong.....I’m pretty sure I read it right but won’t know until I see the exam again.

seems like a good sign then!! let's hope for the best
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: alisonzz on November 06, 2017, 09:26:50 pm
SAC rank - top 3 in a strong cohort

Exam 1: 40/40

Exam 2: 59/60
Is a 50 still achievable?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: winged dragon 151 on November 06, 2017, 09:30:18 pm
SAC rank - top 3 in a strong cohort

Exam 1: 40/40

Exam 2: 59/60
Is a 50 still achievable?

Maybe that 1 mark is close to toppling you tbh
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Bianca12345 on November 06, 2017, 09:43:32 pm
I'm totally freaking out! So I think I lost a max of 20 marks combined with both exams and finished with a rank of 7th, what will my study score look like?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: winged dragon 151 on November 06, 2017, 10:00:19 pm
I'm totally freaking out! So I think I lost a max of 20 marks combined with both exams and finished with a rank of 7th, what will my study score look like?

Sorry, but can I get your SAC scores and predicted exam scores?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: benson09 on November 06, 2017, 10:06:01 pm
Hey, what study score should I be looking at?
38/40 Exam 1
56/60 Exam 2
SAC Ranking: Top 35% of a strong cohort of 100 students

Also, can someone explain to me why the float time is 6 days and not 7 in the networks module? Thanks  ;)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: hk9191 on November 06, 2017, 10:08:36 pm
What about rank 1, 40/40 and 59/60? 50 still in question, or will it be too competitive at the top?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Bianca12345 on November 06, 2017, 10:18:15 pm
Hey, what study score should I be looking at?
38/40 Exam 1
56/60 Exam 2
SAC Ranking: Top 35% of a strong cohort of 100 students

Also, can someone explain to me why the float time is 6 days and not 7 in the networks module? Thanks  ;)
Sorry, but can I get your SAC scores and predicted exam scores?

of course!
data and stats: 87%
geometry: 80%
linear: 83%
exam 1: 29/40
exam 2: 51/60
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Something2016 on November 06, 2017, 10:25:43 pm
of course!
data and stats: 87%
geometry: 80%
linear: 83%
exam 1: 29/40
exam 2: 51/60


Around 37-38
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: jonwil on November 06, 2017, 10:30:08 pm
Rank 1
100% Sac
38/40
59/60
What kind of score?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: abbie_roseee on November 06, 2017, 10:32:00 pm
If we did 6b wrong, will we get consequential marks for part c??
Answers so far:
Core Q1ai 72
              aii 25%
              bi 84%
                ii 209
               c  105
            2a   place of capture
               b  20mm
               c  min 16mm  Q3 36mm
               d  52 is greater than upper fence 50 so it is an outlier
               e  The median wingspan of moths in grassland is 30mm when compared with median wingspan of moths in the
                    forest of 21mm. Wingspan is therefore associated with the location where they are caught.
             3a  egg density = -46.8 + 18.9 x number of male moths
               bi choose two points to input into equation given ie (10,504) and (60,2064) and draw line.
                ii for every additional female moth caught the egg density increases on average by 18.9.
               iii -412.5
               iv 74.3% of variation in egg density can be explained by the variation in number of female moths caught.
            4a   0.009
              b    log(area) = -14.4 + 0.009 x year
              ci  708 hectares
               ii  Extrapolated result
             5a 3375, 71625, 3375, 68250
               bi $3375
                ii 4.5%
               c  5.7%
              6a $203
                b Ao = 428, An+1= 1.015 x An
                c  $454.26
               7a  $1560
                 b  $805.65
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Please on November 06, 2017, 10:35:47 pm
Just to add to the onslaught of study score questions!
If I got 93,94,96% on sacs with a ranking of about 5
And got
39/40
58/60
What am I looking at?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: goonera on November 06, 2017, 10:51:10 pm
what am I looking at with a
37/40 for exam 1
52/60 for exam 2
and maybe like 7th or higher rank
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Peter123123123 on November 06, 2017, 11:03:07 pm
Hey, can anyone tell me what study score I could be looking at? (A range would be awesome :))
SACS: 85/100
Exam 1: 39/40
Exam 2: 59/60
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Paolo Grande on November 07, 2017, 08:38:43 am
My answers. Please let me know if you believe there are errors ::)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: winged dragon 151 on November 07, 2017, 09:37:47 am
Are you able to get working out marks for the 30%/25% matrices question if you wrote 0.3*200=60? Or at least half a mark (to a consequencal mark)?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Paolo Grande on November 07, 2017, 09:47:10 am
This may be possible as it shows that you have part of the working out requirement.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: reards on November 07, 2017, 10:21:03 am
My answers. Please let me know if you believe there are errors ::)

Isn't the last graphs and relations question = 9 and 3
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: kirstfletch99 on November 07, 2017, 10:22:23 am
My answers. Please let me know if you believe there are errors ::)

So there were a few things I got different (could have just been typos you made idk)

DATA Q1bii) I got 975 because 97.5% of 1000 is 975 not 9750.
DATA Q3a) Your value of 46.8 needs to be negative (probably just a typo?)
GEOMETRY 2a) I got 8pm Wednesday because you need to subtract 2 hours to account for the fact that they said the two places had a time difference of 2 hours, and the destination was further East so you would have "gone back in time" *I don't fully remember the question though so I would ahve to read it again to be sure.
GRAPHS Q3d) I got 9 and 3 because you can't just simply round, you have to look at the graph and find the integer (whole number) solution points near the corner point that gives you the minimum. This point was (9.6,2.4) and the two closes integer points that are INSIDE the solution region are (9,3) and (10,3) however (9,3) will obviously give you a smaller value than (10,3) so that's why I wrote that instead :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: kirstfletch99 on November 07, 2017, 10:23:07 am
Isn't the last graphs and relations question = 9 and 3

Yeah I got that as well :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Paolo Grande on November 07, 2017, 10:42:20 am
Guys thank you for your replies. Yes last Graphs and Relations answer is 9 and 3 as this is still within the feasible region and provides the minimum cost. Core question 1bii is 975 as I added an extra zero and definitely -46.8 for Q3a.  ;)
Thanks
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: MAGGOT on November 07, 2017, 11:34:50 am
Hi guys,
I was wondering if you can help figure out what kind of study score I will get for further. I didn't find the exams hard at all and am ranked 2nd in my school.
*edit: thanks Paolo
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Seamus212205 on November 07, 2017, 11:41:12 am
Where are the solutions?!
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Paolo Grande on November 07, 2017, 11:45:03 am
Exam 1 solutions and answers are available on ATAR Notes Exam 1 discussion or on itute.com under maths section. :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Seamus212205 on November 07, 2017, 12:17:25 pm
Exam 1 solutions and answers are available on ATAR Notes Exam 1 discussion or on itute.com under maths section. :)

Exam 2 though??
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: nayyv on November 07, 2017, 12:55:08 pm
Hey, I was wondering what study score i can expect for further
My exam 1 score was low so i'm not sure that I can still achieve a 35-40 study score

Exam 1 26/40
Exam 2 52/60
SACS 84/100

Thank you!
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: messi10 on November 07, 2017, 01:37:55 pm
Error in the exam. Matrices Q1cii

See the attachment. Clearly, rows 1,2 and 3 represent the total earnings for weeks 1, 2 and 3, respectively. Hence the sum of rows 2 and 3 in Q1cii represent the total earnings for weeks 2 and 3, NOT the total earnings for Rolls and Sandwiches for all 3 weeks.
If we had [0 1 1] as an answer, would that be considered wrong. And also for the question which requires the total number of students in term 4, if we added values of the initial matrix and added, no one would leave the elective activities, would we still be awarded full marks or did we have to create a transition matrix and find values at term 4
Thank you
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: gameboy99 on November 07, 2017, 01:54:15 pm
Hey guys,
I am kinda stressed because I wrote the whole exam in pencil when it says write in blue or black pen in the front of the exam page.
Will my exam be unmarked??? :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: hk9191 on November 07, 2017, 02:19:05 pm
If we had [0 1 1] as an answer, would that be considered wrong.
Id say theyd mark the [0 1 1] as correct because despite it being contradictory to the written statement its the only matrix that made the equation provided true.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: kirstfletch99 on November 07, 2017, 02:19:17 pm
Hey guys,
I am kinda stressed because I wrote the whole exam in pencil when it says write in blue or black pen in the front of the exam page.
Will my exam be unmarked??? :-\ :-\ :-\

No no! Don't worry they will definitely mark your exam! I had a friend who wrote theirs in pencil last year and they still crushed the exam! The only reason they get you to write in pen is because they scan them or do some part of the marking electronically and pencil can sometimes not show up. I'm sure you're not the only one though and I most definitely would not stress about it. It probably happens every year so they know how to deal with it :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: messi10 on November 07, 2017, 02:31:22 pm
For the question which requires the total number of students in term 4, if we added values of the initial matrix which equal to 750, and then added to the answer: "no one would leave the elective activities" would we still be awarded full marks or did we have to create a transition matrix and find values at term 4
Thank you
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: addictwithatextbook on November 07, 2017, 05:06:33 pm
For the question which requires the total number of students in term 4, if we added values of the initial matrix which equal to 750, and then added to the answer: "no one would leave the elective activities" would we still be awarded full marks or did we have to create a transition matrix and find values at term 4
Thank you

It's only one mark, so I think just as long as you write the correct answer "750" it's totally fine. My reasoning to the answer was the same as yours but I checked it with the values in Term 4.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: messi10 on November 07, 2017, 05:37:39 pm
It's only one mark, so I think just as long as you write the correct answer "750" it's totally fine. My reasoning to the answer was the same as yours but I checked it with the values in Term 4.
Thank you, glad to here that :) :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Mattos22 on November 07, 2017, 09:57:35 pm
SAC mark 98/100 (equal 2nd in strong cohort)
Exam 1 39/40
Exam 2 59/60 (unless 749 is accepted for matrices 2c)
What study score would I be looking at? Is it 45+?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Mattos22 on November 07, 2017, 10:08:49 pm
Also, how do you calculate/predict your study scores?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: messi10 on November 07, 2017, 10:49:21 pm
SAC mark 98/100 (equal 2nd in strong cohort)
Exam 1 39/40
Exam 2 59/60 (unless 749 is accepted for matrices 2c)
What study score would I be looking at? Is it 45+?
100% 45+ and probably minimum 48... be sure your safe for a high study score
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Thunder8621 on November 07, 2017, 11:17:29 pm
Can somebody post a blank copy of the Further Exam 2? :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: jimbo9 on November 08, 2017, 01:43:47 pm
You did well to spot that mistake!

Error in the exam. Matrices Q1cii

See the attachment. Clearly, rows 1,2 and 3 represent the total earnings for weeks 1, 2 and 3, respectively. Hence the sum of rows 2 and 3 in Q1cii represent the total earnings for weeks 2 and 3, NOT the total earnings for Rolls and Sandwiches for all 3 weeks.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: nathan101 on November 08, 2017, 07:40:03 pm
If I received 86-87% for my sacs (whilst being ranked 12 or 13 out of 85 in a strong cohort), 35/40 for exam 1 and 57/60 for exam 2 what study score would I be looking at.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: messi10 on November 08, 2017, 07:47:26 pm
If I received 86-87% for my sacs (whilst being ranked 12 or 13 out of 85 in a strong cohort), 35/40 for exam 1 and 57/60 for exam 2 what study score would I be looking at.
probably low 40s high 30s given that you dropped lots of marks in exam 1 but that exam 2 mark might push you to the 40+ range.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Seamus212205 on November 08, 2017, 08:13:40 pm
Still wondering where these solutions are   :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ methods have already been posted...surely further doesn't take that long...
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: messi10 on November 09, 2017, 08:57:00 am
Still wondering where these solutions are   :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ methods have already been posted...surely further doesn't take that long...
itute have them up
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Mamba on November 09, 2017, 02:34:47 pm
Can someone post the Exam 2 Solutions? Geometry & Measurement and Graphs & Relations would be nice thanks.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Seamus212205 on November 09, 2017, 03:27:48 pm
Can someone post the Exam 2 Solutions? Geometry & Measurement and Graphs & Relations would be nice thanks.

How about the entire exam AND the solutions or shall we wait till the exam report from VCAA  :P
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Mamba on November 09, 2017, 05:05:09 pm
People have posted the Core and a few about Graphs & Relations, but there's not much for Geometry & Measurement. Someone's solutions would be helpful for a lot of us if possible. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: messi10 on November 09, 2017, 05:29:30 pm
People have posted the Core and a few about Graphs & Relations, but there's not much for Geometry & Measurement. Someone's solutions would be helpful for a lot of us if possible. Thanks in advance.
itute.com has core and all modules' answers
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Mamba on November 09, 2017, 05:42:08 pm
Can you send a link? I can only find Exam 1.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: messi10 on November 09, 2017, 07:55:03 pm
Can you send a link? I can only find Exam 1.
http://www.itute.com/2017/11/08/free-download-2017-vcaa-further-mathematics-exam-2-solutions/
Here you go! :) :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: ScreaMy on November 09, 2017, 08:01:22 pm
Would 98/100 in Sacs and Exam 1: 38/40 and Exam 2 59/60 get me 45+???? My teacher told me today that there is no way im getting 45 with these scores.... and im super worried now....
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: messi10 on November 09, 2017, 08:05:08 pm
Would 98/100 in Sacs and Exam 1: 38/40 and Exam 2 59/60 get me 45+???? My teacher told me today that there is no way im getting 45 with these scores.... and im super worried now....
the A+ cutoff was 76/80 last year and to get 45+ you need high A+ in both exams. Unless the A+ cut off would be decreased sue to the difficulty of exam 1, I think you're teacher knows what his on about. Don't worry, you never know what could happen at the end
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Tobia on November 09, 2017, 08:29:03 pm
the A+ cutoff was 76/80 last year and to get 45+ you need high A+ in both exams. Unless the A+ cut off would be decreased sue to the difficulty of exam 1, I think you're teacher knows what his on about. Don't worry, you never know what could happen at the end

It was 72/80 for exam 1
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 2 Discussion and Solutions
Post by: Kendog on November 11, 2017, 03:22:30 pm
would a 40/40 for exam 1 and a 58-59/60 for exam 2 get a 50 ss