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Uni Stuff => Science => Faculties => Biomedicine => Topic started by: thisongaintgottaname on October 17, 2009, 11:27:42 pm
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lol, just wondering. :)
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Health sciences, Medical research...
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Isn't it the sole degree to become a doctor...excuse my ignorance.
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lol, just wondering. :)
If you are wanting to do anything in the medical field (i.e. doctor, medical research, developing instruments for medical use, etc) a Bbiomed is the degree for you.
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Related Occupations according to myfuture
Biotechnologist
Dentist
Life Scientist
Medical Practitioner
Medical Scientist
Microbiologist
Optometrist
Pharmacologist
Physiotherapist
Teacher - Special Education<<<<<FAIL no disrespect to teachers, who I do highly value but to get a 99.95 and do this...
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Isn't it the sole degree to become a doctor...excuse my ignorance.
No. It's not a simple pathway to medicine. I think people choose it only because the subjects are relevant (and so easier to transfer lateR) but you can do pretty much the same thing through a science degree as well, I think.
You can do medical research (drugs?) with biomedicine. I think you could also do some biotech.
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The bachelor of Biomedicine is a preferred pathway into graduate entry Medicine, optometry, dentistry, physiotherapy, veterinary science (pretty much anything in the health field). There are also many people in my course who want to go on and do honors, masters, phd etc and work in research.
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No. It's not a simple pathway to medicine. I think people choose it only because the subjects are relevant (and so easier to transfer lateR) but you can do pretty much the same thing through a science degree as well, I think.
Yep, but with the science degree, you need to pick the right subjects in order to do post-grad med or whatever in the medical field whereas in biomed, the subjects are chosen for you and you're fine right from the start.
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No. It's not a simple pathway to medicine. I think people choose it only because the subjects are relevant (and so easier to transfer lateR) but you can do pretty much the same thing through a science degree as well, I think.
Yep, but with the science degree, you need to pick the right subjects in order to do post-grad med or whatever in the medical field whereas in biomed, the subjects are chosen for you and you're fine right from the start.
Yeah that's right. For example, we have to do Physics 2: Life sciences & environment/Physics for Biomedicine (depending on whether you did physics in year 12) as a compulsory subject in first year, since if you wish to do optometry you require a physics subject as a prerequisite. Whereas if you are in science, you have to do physics 1 first semester and then physics:life sciences and environment.
Also, in second year, instead of having to choose anatomy and physiology subjects to meet the requirements for certain graduate degrees, it is all covered in the one subject Integrated human structure and function which we have to do in second year.
So yeah, you can meet the prerequisites doing science, it's just that Biomedicine has been tailored as a pathway to Graduate entry degrees, and so it is the preferred pathway.
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Teacher - Special Education<<<<<FAIL no disrespect to teachers, who I do highly value but to get a 99.95 and do this...
hmmm I think it would be 'FAIL' to receive a high ENTER and choose the highest possible course it would get you into just for the sake of it
more intelligent to be able to get a high ENTER AND use it to achieve your desired career option
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Teacher - Special Education<<<<<FAIL no disrespect to teachers, who I do highly value but to get a 99.95 and do this...
hmmm I think it would be 'FAIL' to receive a high ENTER and choose the highest possible course it would get you into just for the sake of it
more intelligent to be able to get a high ENTER AND use it to achieve your desired career option
I was kidding. I was trying to stereotype what old fashioned parents do, who automatically cringe when their child says "I want to become an artist" or "I want to become a teacher". And I totally agree, there are many cases where people have gotten high ENTERS but didn't do law, med or anything like that, and I respect that. I hope you or anyone else didn't take it in a literal sense. I was just fooling around
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I don't think many parents would cringe at wanting to be a special education teacher.
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I don't think many parents would cringe at wanting to be a special education teacher.
I was talking about teaching in general. And yes they would cringe if they don't know the difference between teacher and special education teacher.
To the OP, are you considering doing biomed? What are you looking to become?
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Why would parents cringe at their child becoming a teacher? It's not a bad profession.
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Why would parents cringe at their child becoming a teacher? It's not a bad profession.
....traditional parents I'm talking about I tried to stress that distinction I was heavily generalising. LOL, this is from a person whose parents think Bachelor of Arts= drawing xD. Parents only cringe ebcause they think its underpaid...but in recent times this has changed dramatically, with Victorian teachers being highest paid in the nation.
@appian way= i DID NOT say teachers are dumb (in relation to the -ve karma) please copy/paste where I said that.
I ensured I included the statement where I highly value teachers because i KNEW people would take that comment out of context= PARENTS in their generation would not tend to want their 99.95 student becoming a teacher, or an artist. Read Kite Runner...read/watch asian books movies or meet people...visit the middle east...I am talking about parents who want their child to be lawyers, doctors etc.
@everyone. Why has it all been turned against me for merely voicing a generalisation. I do not see why I am forced to defend myself against baseless accusations. I DID NOT agree with the stances taken by SOME parents, just merely pointing them out.
To point out I was not being serious, please read my reply to chem-nerd. She did not accuse me of anything, but clarified what I was saying, and so I replied to her in agreement she was correct.
If I had anything AGAINST teaching, why would I have posted in a previous thread I consider becoming a lecturer as a career possibility. Without teachers society would be stuffed.
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is it more difficult to get into a post-grad course at a different uni (eg: melb uni) from which you did your undergrad (eg: monash)? bias?
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Why would parents cringe at their child becoming a teacher? It's not a bad profession.
@appian way= i DID NOT say teachers are dumb (in relation to the -ve karma) please copy/paste where I said that.
I never said you did. My justification for the negative karma was that I know lots of teachers who are highly intelligent who would take offense at the statement that teaching isn't a respected profession. I know of teachers who've achieved perfect scores (either in individual subjects or as ENTERs) in their VCE and HSC, and they entered teaching to make a difference. As far as I know, their parents were pleased with their decision. Teachers have long been considered respectable and knowledgeable members of the community, and I think to infer that their pursuits have limited success and influence (and hence causing teaching qualifications to be viewed in a negative light) is just insulting.
Back on topic - I wouldn't choose BBiomed unless I was confident that I wanted to go on and complete a MD or equivalent post graduate qualification. I'd rather undertake the BSci to keep my options open and study different sciences. But that's just me - I'm leaning towards raw science at the moment anyway.
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is it more difficult to get into a post-grad course at a different uni (eg: melb uni) from which you did your undergrad (eg: monash)? bias?
No, you just make sure you meet prerequisites for the course
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is it more difficult to get into a post-grad course at a different uni (eg: melb uni) from which you did your undergrad (eg: monash)? bias?
No, you just make sure you meet prerequisites for the course
Yeah, also it is VERY competitive. I am also looking at doing Postgraduate but I will not be doing it at my original Uni, but transfer to another. I went to a open day thing, and they said from what I remember they have a very large pool of students, so you are not guaranteed a place even if you meet the prerequisites, therefore I presume they MIGHT favour those who are from their Uni. That's just my opinion, and I cannot base it on anything, like if I was melb Uni, I would prefer to see my students do post-grad, not another's, but yeah. Unfortunately I am not a brick complex.
I am sure if you do well, you will be accepted, besides doesn't Monash offer post-grad if all else fails?
gl
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is it more difficult to get into a post-grad course at a different uni (eg: melb uni) from which you did your undergrad (eg: monash)? bias?
No, you just make sure you meet prerequisites for the course
Yeah, also it is VERY competitive. I am also looking at doing Postgraduate but I will not be doing it at my original Uni, but transfer to another. I went to a open day thing, and they said from what I remember they have a very large pool of students, so you are not guaranteed a place even if you meet the prerequisites, therefore I presume they MIGHT favour those who are from their Uni. That's just my opinion, and I cannot base it on anything, like if I was melb Uni, I would prefer to see my students do post-grad, not another's, but yeah. Unfortunately I am not a brick complex.
I am sure if you do well, you will be accepted, besides doesn't Monash offer post-grad if all else fails?
gl
Once you've met the prerequisites, you will be selected for Grad Med with GPA (uni grades), GAMSAT score, and interview. So it doesn't really matter which uni you come from, or which course you do. All it comes down to is a competitive GPA (E.g. minimum GPA of 5.0/7.0 to be considered, but you will most likely need 6.5/7.0), as well as GAMSAT. Monash does offer grad Med, but I think their campus is in Gippsland for this and might have to move there if you get in :-\
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There is also Deakin uni, which has just opened a brand new medical school, although I'm pretty sure their campus is in Geelong. If you really want to do Med, there are 12 graduate medical schools in Australia to choose from.
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hey iamdan08 or anyone who does biomed, how much more difficult is Calculus 1 (or whatever the uni maths in biomed is called) from maths methods? are they similar but calculus 1 is just a step above the concepts? sorry to be a bit off topic, just wondering as i'd love to do biomed but the thought of continuing maths is slightly disconcerting.
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To put it simply calculus 1 is simply "spec-in-a-semester"!! My mate did calculus 2, and he said everything in the calculus 1 course is covered in specialist maths. My mate didn't think it was a step above at all, if anything, a little below.
I had the same concern about doing maths again, however i actually found it enjoyable, and better than Methods.
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No maths isn't a prerequisite for graduate entry medicine. In Biomedicine I think It is more taken to give you a solid grounding for when you do the subject Experimental design and Data analysis in second semester.
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To put it simply calculus 1 is simply "spec-in-a-semester"!! My mate did calculus 2, and he said everything in the calculus 1 course is covered in specialist maths. My mate didn't think it was a step above at all, if anything, a little below.
I had the same concern about doing maths again, however i actually found it enjoyable, and better than Methods.
hmm i see thanks. spec-in-a-semester, sounds a bit scary haha. hopefully it won't be too hard. so are you finding it difficult? did you find methods even difficult?
No maths isn't a prerequisite for graduate entry medicine. In Biomedicine I think It is more taken to give you a solid grounding for when you do the subject Experimental design and Data analysis in second semester.
i didn't think the experimental design subject was really maths based nor relating to calculus in anyway :S i thought it was more simple statistics and such... what sort of things do you do in that subject??
btw, for your biomed subjects, are you getting a set of lecture notes for each? or are you required to create your own?
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is biomed at monash a good option if i cant get into melb?
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Na it isn't too hard at all. I found methods initially difficult, but towards the end of the year i found it alright.
Experimental design is pretty maths based, in fact most of it is maths. It's alright...i guess, i find the lectures pretty ordinary though.
For my biomed subjects we get given lecture slides which contain the basic content of what is talked about in the lectures, then you just add your own notes to them as well. Some lecturers deliberately leave blank spaces where you fill in missing information.
at d0minicz: Yeah i think it is a pretty good option. I had it as my second preference.
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Na it isn't too hard at all. I found methods initially difficult, but towards the end of the year i found it alright.
Experimental design is pretty maths based, in fact most of it is maths. It's alright...i guess, i find the lectures pretty ordinary though.
For my biomed subjects we get given lecture slides which contain the basic content of what is talked about in the lectures, then you just add your own notes to them as well. Some lecturers deliberately leave blank spaces where you fill in missing information.
at d0minicz: Yeah i think it is a pretty good option. I had it as my second preference.
ahh awesome, that's good then. i'm sure if some study it won't be too bad anyways:)
hmm i was looking at the course outline for the experimental design and it seems like some of the stuff we do in research methods in psych hah. not so interestng.lol
yay, i like the idea of getting lecture notes - nice structure, better then in school where you are forced to make your own.
thanks for answering:)