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Uni Stuff => Faculties => Health sciences => Topic started by: slothpomba on April 04, 2010, 09:05:29 pm
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Monash has put more info on its website about the MMI(Well info i havent seen before anyway):
Multiple Mini Interview
The Multiple Mini interview will consist of 8 sequential ‘stations’ plus 1 rest station. In each station the applicant will be interviewed by 1 interviewer for 8 minutes followed by 2 minutes for scoring/changeover (i.e. 10 minutes per station). Each ‘circuit’ of 9 stations will take 90 minutes to complete.
The interview station scenarios and associated questions have been designed to determine which applicants have the relevant personal qualities such as leadership ability and motivation to succeed in the medical course.
More information on the MMI process will be released later in 2010 as the structure and content of the interview are currently under review.
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I remember seeing a thread somewhere about this topic... dont know where it went..
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haha i dont wanna read any of this, it sounds scarier and scarier everytime i see the application process to med...
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Sounds interesting, thanks for posting!
I'm looking forward to seeing more information about it later :)
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Sounds interesting, thanks for posting!
I'm looking forward to seeing more information about it later :)
what do you want to do???
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Medicine im guessing
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Still no idea, but science is definitely the field, med would be nice (if I can get in :))
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Its not as hard as people make it sound to be honest, you dont need a 99.95 enter like people go around saying. Anywhere in the 90's and you still have a decent chance, some people ive talked to, both here and in real life, know a couple people that got in with sub 90 enters.
The interview and the umat all take place even before the enter is released, so the enter isnt really the problem and the umat requires no study per se so its not terrible either.
I cant remember the point i was trying to make but yeah... not hard as people say
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Its not as hard as people make it sound to be honest, you dont need a 99.95 enter like people go around saying. Anywhere in the 90's and you still have a decent chance, some people ive talked to, both here and in real life, know a couple people that got in with sub 90 enters.
The interview and the umat all take place even before the enter is released, so the enter isnt really the problem and the umat requires no study per se so its not terrible either.
I cant remember the point i was trying to make but yeah... not hard as people say
I understand, but it really boils down to the UMAT and the interview, both of which I am likely to fail :P
Not that I really want to do med, I'm still not sure yet :)
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Yeah, i went through a lot of changes up untill now too scientist -> chemist -> IT -> Medicine -> Hoe . It's a process, anyway med isnt such a great thing like everyone makes it out to be...
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as you can see by my sig, i feel the same way as you guys.
like watchman says, the UMAT is essentially the biggest hurdle, because if you dont do well you can pretty well say goodbye to med.
in saying that, if i did well on UMAT, med here i come haha
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Its not as hard as people make it sound to be honest, you dont need a 99.95 enter like people go around saying. Anywhere in the 90's and you still have a decent chance, some people ive talked to, both here and in real life, know a couple people that got in with sub 90 enters.
The interview and the umat all take place even before the enter is released, so the enter isnt really the problem and the umat requires no study per se so its not terrible either.
I cant remember the point i was trying to make but yeah... not hard as people say
im not sure about you, but medicine is ridiculously hard to get into:( that makes me sadddd, since i'd love to have that same passion for law or pretty much most other degrees as they are definitely easier... and you generally need 99+ and a solid umat score and a fantastic interview to get into monash, there was statistics released somewhere that way over 90% of people getting into monash had enters in 99's, they are looking for the best. and yes it's possible to get into medicine with less than that, but it's certainly harder since you're up against a reallly high achieving group. but smashing the interview and umat will help you get in with a less than 99.
Yeah, i went through a lot of changes up untill now too scientist -> chemist -> IT -> Medicine -> Hoe . It's a process, anyway med isnt such a great thing like everyone makes it out to be...
if it's not such a great thing, why do you want to do it?
med seems amazing to me, it's why i want to do it so bad .__.
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As in, its not such a great thing as other people think it is, looking from the outside.
It's a lot of hard work and long hours and people dieing on you really changes you, things like that. People ive seen more often than not build med up to be some easy high status cash cow without really paying attention to things like this. That's more than what i meant. ( I talked a bit more about it here http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,24661.msg251187.html#msg251187 , not really looking for a debate though)
Yeah, im not really sure about your 99+ thing..
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As in, its not such a great thing as other people think it is, looking from the outside.
It's a lot of hard work and long hours and people dieing on you really changes you, things like that. People ive seen more often than not build med up to be some easy high status cash cow without really paying attention to things like this. That's more than what i meant. ( I talked a bit more about it here http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,24661.msg251187.html#msg251187 , not really looking for a debate though)
Yeah, im not really sure about your 99+ thing..
nahh that's true.
the only evidence i have from them though is that the requirement is "high 90s" even though it is pretty is the least important of the three (umat decides interview and interview is weighted more then both of enter and umat) with a minimum of 90 taking into rural schemes and bonded places into account. i have an email from them to confirm that along with other things.
so why do you want to do medicine then?
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I don't see why anyone would do Med for the money. Go go Dent if you want money. It's even easier to get into. You earn more and you start raking it in immediately after you graduate; not bloody like 10 years after you do.
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Could you paste that email? Im just interested in reading.
We'll i *love* biology especially the human side, so i thought, how can i apply this to a job, now my uncle was a biochemist and one of the biology teachers (not mine) was involved in research and i talked to them. I dont really want to sit around in a lab all day or things like that, im more of a people person. So, that kind of led me to medicine.
Of course, the cliche answer almost everyone else gives, i want to help people.
And you?
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I don't see why anyone would do Med for the money. Go go Dent if you want money. It's even easier to get into. You earn more and you start raking it in immediately after you graduate; not bloody like 10 years after you do.
Yeah, people have this big misconception (well some, especially those who havent done their homework) that its a huge cash cow. I lurk around studentdoctornet (among other forums) and there are dentists there too; the dentists from what I've heard make close to what a doctor makes, it really is a lot of money. If you go into orthodontics and open your own practice with a high volume you could pull close to a million apparently (braces are expensive) or go and get a commerce degree.
What ive learnt over time, to do medicine and survive, you really need to be in it for the medicine.
Fair assessment youd say?
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I don't see why anyone would do Med for the money. Go go Dent if you want money. It's even easier to get into. You earn more and you start raking it in immediately after you graduate; not bloody like 10 years after you do.
+1.
Could you paste that email? Im just interested in reading.
We'll i *love* biology especially the human side, so i thought, how can i apply this to a job, now my uncle was a biochemist and one of the biology teachers (not mine) was involved in research and i talked to them. I dont really want to sit around in a lab all day or things like that, im more of a people person. So, that kind of led me to medicine.
Of course, the cliche answer almost everyone else gives, i want to help people.
And you?
sure i'll go search my inbox, it was so long ago ha.
okay that makes sense. glad to know you don't have wrong reasons or anything:))
well i actually am strange in the way that i love absolutely everything about medicine both studying it and afterwards... which includes the long hours, etc. yes.. i'm strange, but i'm sure i will find my dislikes somewhere along the line probably to do with the health system which i've read so much about it's frustrating ways.
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okay here it is
The Monash University Undergraduate Bachelor of Medicine/Bachelor of Surgery course run at Clayton Campus, is only offered to secondary school leavers (and for up to two years after) who have not undertaken any other studies at a tertiary level.
Monash also does not accept transfers into the MBBS course either from other Universities or courses.
To be a successful candidate for the undergraduate MBBS program at Monash University, Clayton campus, you will need to have a high study score of at least 35 in English (ESL) or 30 in both English and Chemistry, as well as a total ENTER score in the high 90's. We will not consider anyone with an ENTER (or it's equivalent) below 90.
You will need to register for and sit the UMAT (Undergraduate Medicine and Health Sciences Admissions Test), achieving a high score. You register for the UMAT in the 1st Semester of your final secondary school year and sit the UMAT in July. We recommend getting the practice questions and exams from ACER. They are available at a cost and are very worthwhile. Neither the university or ACER support any other UMAT training schemes or courses.
Since 2007 we have been using a new scoring system called the *OVERALL* score. You will have this *Overall* score shown on your personal results sheet, which is sent to you. This year the cut off score was 61, but please know that we will interview the top 600 UMAT scoring students for the undergraduate MBBS course at Monash University, Clayton. Here are their contact details:
Web: www.umatweb.acer.edu.au
Phone: 9277 5673
Your application for the MBBS will need to be done through VTAC (Victorian Tertiary Admissions Centre). The closing date is 5pm on the Wednesday the 30th of September 2009, to give you a time line.
VTAC opens for applications at the beginning of August. Here are their contact details:
VTAC
Web: www.vtac.edu.au
Phone: 1300 364 133
Once you have applied through VTAC and have completed your UMAT, if your score is above the required level then we may offer you an interview.
Monash University has a 3 stage selection process for undergraduate medicine at Clayton:
1. UMAT
2. Interview
3. ENTER
Only if you do well in all three stages of the selection process (UMAT, ENTER and interview) may we consider you for a place. The interview is weighted the heaviest.
There is also the section on the Extended Rural Cohort which is available as a medicine stream (VTAC Code: 28151).
http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/northernvic/
And the scholarships site
http://www.monash.edu.au/study/scholarships/
Upon individual application students may be able to defer their place for 1 year providing they do not undertake any tertiary study during that deferment year. Applications are made direct to the Monash University MBBS Admissions department upon receiving an offer of a place in the undergraduate Bachelor of Medicine/Bachelor of Surgery course at Monash University, Clayton campus.
For on-campus accommodation please see the attached flier. It is advisable to apply before October for a place in one of these sites as vacancies fill quickly, and if you wait until receiving an offer of a place in the course, you may miss out on accommodation on campus.
The fees website is as follows:
http://www.monash.edu.au/fees/
love monash - they are so helpful baha
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yeah, high enter is certainly desirable, unless you want to be given an ERC place. According to the MedEntry guy, the median enter for mbbs was 98. tbh, this is not really that hard, especially if you've got a couple of nice study scores already in the bank from year 11.
it is the umat which is the killer. i've been trying a fair bit lately, and atm, i don't seem to be improving that much. and even if i do make it through somehow, interview looks daunting, in a sense that i don't know if i can crap on long enough for the questions they ask, not stumble or say something stupid.
imo, enter/vce is the least of my worries, it is the other stuff which will be a killer.
i agree with vexx, med is ridiculously hard to get into. i have no idea how i am supposed to beat like 95% of students on the umat. these people are like the best of the best.
i've always found school rather easy, but this is something i am finding extremely difficult...
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Thanks!
Where do you send emails like that anyway, i was looking around their site before for contacts but it said it was only for people currently enrolled in the course.
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Although the median is (apparently) 98, I really don't think a high ENTER is required. It just happens that most people who end up doing well on the UMAT tend to have a good ENTER as well. I know a handful of people with lowish ENTERs who just aced the other two parts instead.
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Do BMP & ERC actually have lower requirements written into them as part of the placement or is that just how it works out in the end? (if anyone knows)
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shinny, when you were doing medentry prac exams, roughly what percentiles were you getting?
just want to know where I am roughly, because with the medentry percentiles, you are only compared to other medentry students, and obviously your percentile is actually higher because if you compared yourself to the whole cohort, many of whom don't do any umat prep, you would actually score higher...
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Or so you'd assume, i think someone on this forum in the tutoring section (allegedly) got 99th percentile without any prep, theres only so much you can improve on it due to its nature
(im interested in the answer too though)
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^again, something they told us in medentry. they said the percentiles they give us will be lower than our actual percentiles because of the reason i just mentioned...
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Do BMP & ERC actually have lower requirements written into them as part of the placement or is that just how it works out in the end? (if anyone knows)
Pretty sure that's just how it works out. I'm pretty certain Monash has more than enough applicants to just choose the top performing applicants.
shinny, when you were doing medentry prac exams, roughly what percentiles were you getting?
just want to know where I am roughly, because with the medentry percentiles, you are only compared to other medentry students, and obviously your percentile is actually higher because if you compared yourself to the whole cohort, many of whom don't do any umat prep, you would actually score higher...
Can't really remember. It was lower than what I got in the end though for the same reasoning as you stated.
Or so you'd assume, i think someone on this forum in the tutoring section (allegedly) got 99th percentile without any prep, theres only so much you can improve on it due to its nature
(im interested in the answer too though)
Well that's them. Just because they didn't do any doesn't mean you should do the same. Practicing IS going to help. Sure, people score high without doing any practice, but are you going to take the chance? Just do what you can.
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I don't have enough confident (some may say arrogance) in my natural talent to not undertake any preparation anyway.
Don't worry, i'm not silly :-) .
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Thanks!
Where do you send emails like that anyway, i was looking around their site before for contacts but it said it was only for people currently enrolled in the course.
that email was sent from [email protected] so email them with questions the head of admissions is really helpful (thats who replied to me)
yeah, high enter is certainly desirable, unless you want to be given an ERC place. According to the MedEntry guy, the median enter for mbbs was 98. tbh, this is not really that hard, especially if you've got a couple of nice study scores already in the bank from year 11.
it is the umat which is the killer. i've been trying a fair bit lately, and atm, i don't seem to be improving that much. and even if i do make it through somehow, interview looks daunting, in a sense that i don't know if i can crap on long enough for the questions they ask, not stumble or say something stupid.
imo, enter/vce is the least of my worries, it is the other stuff which will be a killer.
i agree with vexx, med is ridiculously hard to get into. i have no idea how i am supposed to beat like 95% of students on the umat. these people are like the best of the best.
i've always found school rather easy, but this is something i am finding extremely difficult...
yeah the umat is the worst, it's so stressful and like it's nothing like school also in the sense that you have no idea whether your answer was right or wrong unless you are presented an answer and some of them are ridiculous where your answer is right since it's just a slightly different intepretation. i fear i will do horrible and my plans of undergrad will be ruined, i think we share that same fear stonecold;) except im more certain that you will get a higher enter then me haha but still!
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Watch, this year it will be different .
Like many have said on this forum.. ENTEr is not their primary selection catch..
They're looking for good doc's and they will pick them out PREETY dam well in the MMI
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Yes, especially this year, because monash hasnt run a MMI before so no one will (well should outside of monash faculty) have an idea of the questions and couldnt possibly study for them or anything like that.
So, especially this in 2011, the MMI will be fantastic.
I cant see a way an enter could correlate to a good doctor, someone who gets 80 might be fantastic and just might of messed up one subject. If you dont study hard, theyll catch you later on in the degree anyway. The whole university admission system is flawed but thats for another thread..
[Thanks but i already found the correct email :laugh:]
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Yes, especially this year, because monash hasnt run a MMI before so no one will (well should outside of monash faculty) have an idea of the questions and couldnt possibly study for them or anything like that.
So, especially this in 2011, the MMI will be fantastic.
I cant see a way an enter could correlate to a good doctor, someone who gets 80 might be fantastic and just might of messed up one subject. If you dont study hard, theyll catch you later on in the degree anyway. The whole university admission system is flawed but thats for another thread..
[Thanks but i already found the correct email :laugh:]
Yeah there are people who have gotten into medicine and such with very low enters (after going through graduate medicine) but just a thought: someone who applies for undergrad medicine and achieves an enter of 80 would have not that well in any subject and they wouldn't want someone who hasn't applied themself in high school, or perhaps isn't able to keep up with the demanding course of medicine. so of course it's a good requirement to have "high 90s" even if for some it's quite difficult due to a particular subjects (f* you english)
but if one achieves a low enter, they can just do a bachelor's degree and no one cares about your enter anymore. no difference between 60 or 95, etc.
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^damn straight. english (in all its forms) and umat are ruining my vce!
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^damn straight. english (in all its forms) and umat are ruining my vce!
haha and you are doing two englishes, that's annoying;p except englang isn't too bad you have to admit? just seems really hard to do well in is all.
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^damn straight. english (in all its forms) and umat are ruining my vce!
haha and you are doing two englishes, that's annoying;p except englang isn't too bad you have to admit? just seems really hard to do well in is all.
I guess the same, could be said about all englishes..
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they both cancel out. i've got no idea which i'm going to do better in. englang is way more interesting, but imo a lot harder because you can't make any kind of claim unless you can back it up with metalanguage/examples/evidence. english on the other hand bores me to death, especially text response, but it is probably easier... language analysis is okay, and context isn't too bad because you can write whatever you want.
for me, it was probably a good move to not just take EL, because atm, i have serious doubts about whether or not i can do well in it. everyone says englang is for students who like maths/science. i don't really agree with this in a sense that maths/science just makes logical sense, and that's how i remember stuff. EL isn't really logic based, and just depends on remembering copious amounts of stuff. it is very structured though, which i can see that some people would like.
but i finally wrote my eng oral today, i'd been saying i was going to do it each day for like the past two weeks...i cant believe i actually got it done today, i've been putting it off for the next day for so long haha!
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Eng lang isnt terrible at all as im finding, its just highly technical with lots of metalanguage and concepts, i can see how someone could be left behind.
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everyone says englang is for students who like maths/science. i don't really agree with this in a sense that maths/science just makes logical sense, and that's how i remember stuff. EL isn't really logic based, and just depends on remembering copious amounts of stuff. it is very structured though, which i can see that some people would like.
To do well in EL, you also need to do a LOT of research by doing extensive reading, be it books or the media. Then from the reading you also need to harvest good and original examples to use in your essays where appropriate. In Unit 3, it's not really logic based as I found it to be very loosely tied together. But in Unit 4, where you'll study spoken and written language, you'll find that the two do overlap in some aspects and is much more "logical" when you analyse the texts.
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yeah, high enter is certainly desirable, unless you want to be given an ERC place. According to the MedEntry guy, the median enter for mbbs was 98.
Monash median enter last year was 99.5, that being said, enter is given the least weighting in the secret monash entry formula.
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Eng lang isnt terrible at all as im finding, its just highly technical with lots of metalanguage and concepts, i can see how someone could be left behind.
I've realised that I like EL better than regular English after getting back some SAC marks haha. But in all honesty I have a much better chance of writing a quality essay and answering some questions in two hours than I have of writing 3 quality 1000+ word pieces in three hours.
Plus, in English you really have to articulate well, and make your essays sound all nice and fluffy lol, whereas in EL you just need to be clear, concise and to the point. It doesn't have to read like Shakespeare :P.
Plus you can do practise essays that cover most topics in English Language, whereas in English, they could really pull any shit!
And wow, 99.5 is super high, but yeah i've heard of people with 97's getting into Monash, so i'm not too concerned. UMAT and then if i make it to the interview both look very daunting though!
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I've heard of people with enters as low of 88 getting in but they were ERC
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I've heard of people with enters as low of 88 getting in but they were ERC
i was under the impression that even ERC you cannot be lower than 90, it's what they told me... ?
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I really have no interest in ERC. even if i got offered a place I would probably knock it back...
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wats ERC?
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extended rural cohort. basically means you've got to work out in the sticks for x amount of years...
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extended rural cohort. basically means you've got to work out in the sticks for x amount of years...
That's bonded. My understanding of ERC is that in your clinical years (3,4 and 5), you have to do your placement in rural. I might be wrong though, or there might be more to it.
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vexx will know :)
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I've heard of people with enters as low of 88 getting in but they were ERC
i was under the impression that even ERC you cannot be lower than 90, it's what they told me... ?
I know someone actually *in* medicine so... yeah
But yeah... you generally dont want to do ERC unless you are actually rural.. and dont have some weird speciality. Because you have to do your training out there... so if you want to be a pediatric-optho-oncologist or something, you're out of luck. I'm sure they have at least general practice and surgery covered though.
Read here http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/central/entry-schemes.html
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extended rural cohort. basically means you've got to work out in the sticks for x amount of years...
That's bonded. My understanding of ERC is that in your clinical years (3,4 and 5), you have to do your placement in rural. I might be wrong though, or there might be more to it.
I think its for rural students mostly.
From http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/northernvic/docs/northernvic-faqs-2008.pdf :
"Preference will be given to students from northern Victoria, as well as others eligible to be considered via the Dean’s Rural List."
AND: "They will then spend five of their six clinical semesters in rural clinical placements".
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Yeah, even if you could, i cant see why if you are from the city you would possibly want to do ERC.
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Yeah, even if you could, i cant see why if you are from the city you would possibly want to do ERC.
some could have an interest in being rural?
but yeah ha i don't knw much about ERC as i haven't an interest. soz stonecold:(
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I guess but i dont really think that would happen that often and you wont get as many specialities, so even if you do want to go rural its better to go normal way, get the specialty you want then just work in a rural area.
Or then again if you want to go rural and they have your specialty, i guess, yeah ERC maybe..
Working in the country aint my cup of tea though
(anyway not really interested in a debate on this and wasnt really the point i was trying to make..)
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extended rural cohort. basically means you've got to work out in the sticks for x amount of years...
That's bonded. My understanding of ERC is that in your clinical years (3,4 and 5), you have to do your placement in rural. I might be wrong though, or there might be more to it.
I think its for rural students mostly.
From http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/northernvic/docs/northernvic-faqs-2008.pdf :
"Preference will be given to students from northern Victoria, as well as others eligible to be considered via the Dean’s Rural List."
AND: "They will then spend five of their six clinical semesters in rural clinical placements".
I know people in it who aren't from rural though, so it's possible to get in even if you aren't.
Yeah, even if you could, i cant see why if you are from the city you would possibly want to do ERC.
Because you weren't able to get into mainstream CSP unbonded? Obviously in ideal cases, you would choose to do this. However, bonded and ERC are really just back up plans for those who are that willing to do Medicine, so just chuck them as 2nd and 3rd on your preference list. And really, you should be this willing, otherwise you'll be likely to never have the persistence to go through with it all.
On another note, really, rural isn't THAT bad. I had quite a different opinion of them before I actually went there on placement, but some of the places are actually quite nice and even developed. I mean if you go down to Bendigo, it's apparently just like inner Melbourne anyway. Best part is that you actually learn the most from rural because of the shortage of people there, so you get much more hands-on experience. Not saying that I prefer rural, but it's just not as bad as you might imagine.
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extended rural cohort. basically means you've got to work out in the sticks for x amount of years...
That's bonded. My understanding of ERC is that in your clinical years (3,4 and 5), you have to do your placement in rural. I might be wrong though, or there might be more to it.
I think its for rural students mostly.
From http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/northernvic/docs/northernvic-faqs-2008.pdf :
"Preference will be given to students from northern Victoria, as well as others eligible to be considered via the Dean’s Rural List."
AND: "They will then spend five of their six clinical semesters in rural clinical placements".
I know people in it who aren't from rural though, so it's possible to get in even if you aren't.
Yeah, even if you could, i cant see why if you are from the city you would possibly want to do ERC.
Because you weren't able to get into mainstream CSP unbonded? Obviously in ideal cases, you would choose to do this. However, bonded and ERC are really just back up plans for those who are that willing to do Medicine, so just chuck them as 2nd and 3rd on your preference list. And really, you should be this willing, otherwise you'll be likely to never have the persistence to go through with it all.
On another note, really, rural isn't THAT bad. I had quite a different opinion of them before I actually went there on placement, but some of the places are actually quite nice and even developed. I mean if you go down to Bendigo, it's apparently just like inner Melbourne anyway. Best part is that you actually learn the most from rural because of the shortage of people there, so you get much more hands-on experience. Not saying that I prefer rural, but it's just not as bad as you might imagine.
yeah i've heard that last bit too- getting to do procedures and such that you would never even be thinking about being able to in the urban hospital.
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I know someone actually *in* medicine so... yeah
But yeah... you generally dont want to do ERC unless you are actually rural.. and dont have some weird speciality. Because you have to do your training out there... so if you want to be a pediatric-optho-oncologist or something, you're out of luck. I'm sure they have at least general practice and surgery covered though.
Read here http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/central/entry-schemes.html
Studying on an ERC place has no impact on your training after med school, unless it is a bonded ERC place (in which case it'd work the same way as a normal bonded place except you'd have spent most of your clinical years in rural areas). Also, you will have 1 semester in a metropolitan hospital. After you graduate, you could work in a metropolitan hospital if you wanted to.
I know some people in my year who are on ERC places, and they're from both rural and city areas. It can have perks; when it comes to rural placements (for eg: in first year you go somewhere rural for 1 week, and you have to number your choices and pretty much hope for the best) ERC kids get higher preference for their choices.
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as far as i know, if you apply for ERC you only have to work off the 5 years or whatever in the area of need within 18 years of graduating or something like that. thats what my careers advisor told me :\
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as far as i know, if you apply for ERC you only have to work off the 5 years or whatever in the area of need within 18 years of graduating or something like that. thats what my careers advisor told me :\
That's bonded. ERC is where you go to rural (currently Bendigo or Mildura) for your clinical years (3rd, 4th and 5th) instead of staying in Melbourne. However, it's no different from the normal course after that.
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yeah, high enter is certainly desirable, unless you want to be given an ERC place. According to the MedEntry guy, the median enter for mbbs was 98.
Monash median enter last year was 99.5, that being said, enter is given the least weighting in the secret monash entry formula.
That's not true. The median was 98.55. I emailed the faculty and asked.
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I think ERC would be great, as it'd let me escape my parents for a few months each year during clinical years, letting me build up at least some of the independence that I'll lose out on by not moving interstate if I get offered a place at monash.
Median is 99.3, check their website.
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Link? I find that hard to believe. I was told 98.55. Either of those numbers suggest that ATAR is a huge factor in the selection process.
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http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/central/mmi_information_session_27_05_2010.m4v
1:1:1 Umat atar interview.
Anecdotally, UWS, which doesn't look at atar after it passes the 95.4 hurdle still has a median in the 99s.
edit: LOL you're quoting me with a different number than I have now.. Well this time at least I have some proof :P.
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I think ERC would be great, as it'd let me escape my parents for a few months each year during clinical years, letting me build up at least some of the independence that I'll lose out on by not moving interstate if I get offered a place at monash.
Just take a CSP and put down rural as your preferred clinical rotation?
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Interesting. Does this then suggest VCE is more a measure of intelligence not hard work?
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I think ERC would be great, as it'd let me escape my parents for a few months each year during clinical years, letting me build up at least some of the independence that I'll lose out on by not moving interstate if I get offered a place at monash.
Just take a CSP and put down rural as your preferred clinical rotation?
Unlikely. There's very few rural places now. For some reason, they took off Gippsland so there's only either Bendigo or Mildura. Only a handful of people (probably max like 5, less I think) got to go from CSP. Those who really wanted to go from CSP got given the offer of signing a ERC offer now at the end of 2nd year and some actually took it up.
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Oh didn't know that gippsland was removed from the undergraduate. So what, it's just grad students there now?
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Oh didn't know that gippsland was removed from the undergraduate. So what, it's just grad students there now?
Yeaaaap. =/
A lot of people are pretty pissed considering Monash has basically been telling us 'GO RURAL, GO RURAL, IT'S ACTUALLY AWESOME' for 2 years to fix the doctor shortage there and when it comes down to it, the majority of us don't even have the opportunity to do so.
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Intriguing. Still doesn't make me want to pick monash over deakin or UoM, but interesting to know that it's all P/G there now.
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Dear Tony,
Thank you for your email.
1)VCE Literature is considered equivalent to English for the purposes of
Prerequisite checking.
2)We do not have any set quota for students based on their location or
year of study.
3)As selection for the MBBS course is based on there selection criteria
(UMAT, Interview and ATAR) we cannot calculate a Clearly-In ATAR. We can
advise you that the average ATAR of successful applicants in the 2010
intake was 98.85.
Good luck with your application and do contact us if you have any
further queries.
Regards,
--
James Marshall
Executive Officer, MBBS Admissions
Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences
Monash University
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According to our lecturers, the 2010 cohort are duds though :P
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the average ATAR of successful applicants in the 2010 intake was 98.85.
Average is very different to median.
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According to our lecturers, the 2010 cohort are duds though :P
as if they are lol :P?
As in the 2010 intake that are currently in first year right now. Not you guys :P
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According to our lecturers, the 2010 cohort are duds though :P
as if they are lol :P?
As in the 2010 intake that are currently in first year right now. Not you guys :P
MHS 09ers made MHS history...pretty sure them 32 people aren't duds :P
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(UMAT, Interview and ATAR) we cannot calculate a Clearly-In ATAR. We can
advise you that the average ATAR of successful applicants in the 2010
intake was 98.85.
Median != mean
edit: I put CSP as first pref as since the ERC stream has CSP and BMP places I might end up bonded if I put that first pref. I don't really want to be bonded :/.
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Can someone explain the difference between mean median and average. I was taught all this but forgot. Thanks.
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Methods 46+ Specialist 46+
Yep.
Mean is the average of a sample, ie all scores added and then divided by number of scores.
Median is the middle number in a sample. e.g. in a data set with 9 entries, the 5th highest would be the mean.
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Can someone explain the difference between mean median and average. I was taught all this but forgot. Thanks.
Mean is another word for average. The median is the MIDDLE score [ eg : 1 1 2 2 3 : The median is 2. ]
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Yeh thought so, just wasn't sure. Thanx. Inerd what year you in currently?
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Methods 46+ Specialist 46+
Yep.
I don't see how my general knowledge of statistical terms would affect my study score.
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Joking, mate.
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Joking, mate.
Nps. Sorry, got a bit overzealous there. Have been studying heaps today and yeh...
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Isn't mean/median/mode etc on the study design?
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Yeh thought so, just wasn't sure. Thanx. Inerd what year you in currently?
it's iNerd :P ...and I'm in Year 10.
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I thought the average ENTER for med at monash would've been a lot higher, to cheer myself up after a UMAT depressingly close to the cutoff I told myself I wouldn't have gotten in anyway because of my ENTER, but my ENTER WAS the average last year :(
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Isn't mean/median/mode etc on the study design?
We covered it briefly in year 9.
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Does anyone else here have an interview? I'm stumped as to how, or indeed whether to prepare for it. As they aren't actually going to ask any straight up questions, rehearsing seems pointless. I reckon I'll just write up a stream of consciousness type word doc on my thoughts on medicine etc. If anyone has any better ideas I'd LOVE to hear them.
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I thought the average ENTER for med at monash would've been a lot higher, to cheer myself up after a UMAT depressingly close to the cutoff I told myself I wouldn't have gotten in anyway because of my ENTER, but my ENTER WAS the average last year :(
the average is inaccurate, since they take into account those who got in with a far lower score (outliers) due to being rural and such, but the median is more accurate with being 99.30 (i think).
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As they aren't actually going to ask any straight up questions
Wait, what? Is Monash doing some new age MMI where there aren't specific situations/prompts per station?
Don't practice writing things out, practice speaking them. You write way slower than you speak, so it's much easier to come up with ideas etc. I've found that when I practice for an interview, answering theoretical questions out loud to myself is a pretty good exercise.
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I just thought I'd try and condense my thoughts etc down so that when I do speak, they will be more coherent. Monash apparently is only asking scenario questions this year and will not directly ask applicants why they want to do med/their motivation/why monash etc. I'll def practice talking about ethics etc with family/careers adviser/friends. This really should be sufficient preparation I guess. My adelade/UWS/UNCLE interviews will probs take more time heh.
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I'm not really sure what's coming up but I'll just give what I know from doing my clinical exams. While a lot of this is more suited directly for my exams and is unlikely to be directly assessed as it is in my exams, still, I'll give what I call...
Stuff Monash Likes
Biopsychosocial: So taking into account the biological, psychological and social implications of anything.
Ethics: Ethics isn't about right or wrong, it's about how you reason and justify your belief.
Verbal communication skills: Main skills Monash marks for are facilitation, reflection and legitimation.
Facilitation: When someone comes to you with some complaint, say things like 'tell me more about [whatever]', or just a simple nod and silence or a 'mmm' to prompt them to keep talking while showing that you're listening. This is as opposed to asking specific questions because often you can find out a lot more in the time given just by letting the person speak their mind. This is probably more for taking a medical history but 'active listening' is something Monash promotes and this is the easiest way to do it.
Reflection: Simply saying 'I can see you're upset' or something along those lines to acknowledge someone's emotions.
Legitimation: Saying 'it's understandable that you're upset in this situation'. Do NOT say 'I understand just how you feel'. You never really can.
Non-verbal communication skills: Every clinical exam I've been to, the chairs are placed far apart or awkwardly. Tables might be placed in a weird manner too. Basically, there's marks for lugging furniture around. Apparently the 'ideal' positioning is about an arm's length with you sitting diagonal (30-45 degrees or so) to the other person so you're not right in their face. Other than that, like I said above, reasonable distance (just beyond an arm's length), eye contact, smile, posture etc.
...and that's all I can think of for now. The list is coincidently listed pretty much in order of increasing importance so hope this helps =/
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I doubt I'll need to lug around any furniture but yeah, the rest of the stuff is quite interesting/helpful. Cheers mate :D.
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I'm not sure if there are any new threads on this topic... But having received an Excellent and Equity scholarship from Monash I've been offered an interview for early Jan.
I realise it's unfair if anyone gives away what happens in the interview but any tips!?!?!? I was planning on winging the UMAT and that failed so I'd appreciate some idea of what's happening in this MMI from people who have done it :D.
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I'm not sure if there are any new threads on this topic... But having received an Excellent and Equity scholarship from Monash I've been offered an interview for early Jan.
I realise it's unfair if anyone gives away what happens in the interview but any tips!?!?!? I was planning on winging the UMAT and that failed so I'd appreciate some idea of what's happening in this MMI from people who have done it :D.
Was that based on your ATAR?
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I'm not sure if there are any new threads on this topic... But having received an Excellent and Equity scholarship from Monash I've been offered an interview for early Jan.
I realise it's unfair if anyone gives away what happens in the interview but any tips!?!?!? I was planning on winging the UMAT and that failed so I'd appreciate some idea of what's happening in this MMI from people who have done it :D.
Was that based on your ATAR?
It's based also with some consideration from the UMAT which must be at least 50..
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Was that based on your ATAR?
The scholarship was based on my SEAS app and atar, and the interview took into account my UMAT score which yes, was over 50 but obvioulsy not high enough to make the first cut.
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I thought they only gave late interviews to 99.95ers! I took it off my preferences as soon as I got my UMAT score. :(
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SOOO PUMPED FOR OFFERS
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Goodluck all for January :)
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once my interview is over ill be excited for offers. so scared of the mmi :/
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same, but im as never as hell for the MMI, there's very little stuff on the net, and im really not sure how to prepare
and apparently the interview is worth 50%
stupid interviews....
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When is your interview CharlieW? :)
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Interviews were fun, you'll enjoy it, just try to relax for the first one. After the first one I relaxed a lot and got into it and felt far more comfortable, and good luck!
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When is your interview CharlieW? :)
5th january, late round offer
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Ditto! See you there maybe.
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same, but im as never as hell for the MMI, there's very little stuff on the net, and im really not sure how to prepare
and apparently the interview is worth 50%
stupid interviews....
hahaha, dont worry too much. Relax. youll be fine.
Although i am a believer of preparing for interviews (especially for the UADEL interview), for the monash interview i honestly do no think that any preparation would be necessary or helpful. Perhaps you may have your own preparation rituals that may give you some confidence and emtional comfort. But you will certainly be more than fine with little or no preparation for the MMI.
All the questions are scenario based and the format is well structured to allow the itnervieww to analyse and measure your response. Remember that when answering the questions, do not give htem a flat out answers.
For many scenario questions, there can be no right or wrong answers, hence it would be best to explain your reasoning. share your thoughts and logic to teh interviewer and make sure they understand your reasoning behind every resposne and you will be more than fine.
good luck late interviewees!
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Being an unprepared person, I love hearing that. thanks :)
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Attached 2011 MBBS Brouchure, has a tiny bit on MMI in it.