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[Phy124]

Did you get an S for both units?
What happens if you get an N in a unit 3/4 subject?

As long as you satisfy VCAA criteria - 16 units (8 from unit 1+2, 8 from unit 3+4, including 3 from English [may fail Unit 1 or 2]) - you will still get a certificate for completion of VCE.

If you fail to do so, you won't.

One student at my school missed 1 English SAC, he therefore failed units 3+4 (or just 4?) English and therefore "failed" VCE.

If you satisfy the criteria but get an N for 1 of the other subjects you will not receive a study score for it and hence it will not contribute to your ATAR (AFAIK, could be wrong)

[max payne]

not sure but I think you can fail one unit of English and still get a score for it

[pi]

not sure but I think you can fail one unit of English and still get a score for it

That's correct, you only need to pass three units of English to receive an ATAR.

One student at my school missed 1 English SAC, he therefore failed units 3+4 (or just 4?) English and therefore "failed" VCE.

Are you sure that's right? We had 3 students get 0 for a SAC due to very stupid plagiarism, they all got ATARs and English study scores...

[paulsterio]

That's correct, you only need to pass three units of English to receive an ATAR.

Are you sure that's right? We had 3 students get 0 for a SAC due to very stupid plagiarism, they all got ATARs and English study scores...

You're only allowed to fail one unit of Year 11 English, you have to pass all two units of Year 12 English, i.e. you have to have Unit 3 and 4 English to get the VCE and receive an ATAR.

Btw, getting 0 for a SAC is different to getting an N, they will still get an S for the Unit, but they will just get 0 for the SAC. Schools would much rather give out zeroes than to give N's...they don't want students to fail because:
1) - It does no good for the student - it's a bad thing
2) - Statistically it makes the school look bad

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[Special At Specialist]

Are you sure that's right? We had 3 students get 0 for a SAC due to very stupid plagiarism, they all got ATARs and English study scores...

Ouch! Let me guess... the teacher copied a few sentences into google and something came up straight away?

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[pi]

Are you sure that's right? We had 3 students get 0 for a SAC due to very stupid plagiarism, they all got ATARs and English study scores...

Ouch! Let me guess... the teacher copied a few sentences into google and something came up straight away?

Nah, they copied a VCAA example that was actually written by the Head of English at my school and was also on the school portal. Very stupid.


edit: another give-away is that two of them wrote the same essay for the same teacher -.- fail

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[paulsterio]

Lol, if they're that stupid to do that then I guess they deserved to get zero. Like, I can't deny that if they cheat and have a really intelligent system that's witty and actually amusing then I find it funny (although unacceptable, I would give them credit for putting in the effort to cheat). But LOL! I wonder how they got into MHS if they'd do something as stupid as that!

[pi]

But LOL! I wonder how they got into MHS if they'd do something as stupid as that!

They were actually decent students! Not sure why they needed to cheat in the first place tbh... (it was a context SAC too!)

[thushan]

But LOL! I wonder how they got into MHS if they'd do something as stupid as that!

They were actually decent students! Not sure why they needed to cheat in the first place tbh... (it was a context SAC too!)

Same thing happened at our school. Our second SAC (worth 50/200 marks) had one guy cheat by hiding an essay in his pencil case - he got 0 for that SAC. The really sad thing was, he was probably arguably one of our best English Language students in the school. I think he still managed high 30s despite that!

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[paulsterio]

Same thing happened at our school. Our second SAC (worth 50/200 marks) had one guy cheat by hiding an essay in his pencil case - he got 0 for that SAC. The really sad thing was, he was probably arguably one of our best English Language students in the school. I think he still managed high 30s despite that!

I'm banking on parental pressure to do well in SACs playing a part, especially if he (or the MHS guys too) were curry/asian!

[pi]

Same thing happened at our school. Our second SAC (worth 50/200 marks) had one guy cheat by hiding an essay in his pencil case - he got 0 for that SAC. The really sad thing was, he was probably arguably one of our best English Language students in the school. I think he still managed high 30s despite that!

I'm banking on parental pressure to do well in SACs playing a part, especially if he (or the MHS guys too) were curry/asian!

All were asian/curry in MHS' case

[thushan]

Same thing happened at our school. Our second SAC (worth 50/200 marks) had one guy cheat by hiding an essay in his pencil case - he got 0 for that SAC. The really sad thing was, he was probably arguably one of our best English Language students in the school. I think he still managed high 30s despite that!

I'm banking on parental pressure to do well in SACs playing a part, especially if he (or the MHS guys too) were curry/asian!

Uh uh. He was white.

[Phy124]

not sure but I think you can fail one unit of English and still get a score for it

That's correct, you only need to pass three units of English to receive an ATAR.

One student at my school missed 1 English SAC, he therefore failed units 3+4 (or just 4?) English and therefore "failed" VCE.

Are you sure that's right? We had 3 students get 0 for a SAC due to very stupid plagiarism, they all got ATARs and English study scores...

Yeah, they actually undertook the SAC but did badly, they still get an S. This guy didn't actually do it so received an N.

In regards to my original post I shall change it to say 3 units English (but must include units 3+4), thanks paul.

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[Lasercookie]

Just to clarify, the English requirement to pass VCE and to receive an ATAR is different.

From http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/faqs/vcecurrentstudents.html#H3N10051:

Regardless of how many units you do altogether, you must satisfactorily complete:

At least three units from the English group listed below:
...
At least one of these units must be at Unit 3 or 4 level. However, VTAC advises that for the calculation of the ATAR, students must satisfactorily complete both Unit 3 and Unit 4 of an English sequence.

From VICTER:

Eligibility for an ATAR
To qualify for an ATAR a student must:
•    qualify for the VCE
•    achieve study scores in four permissible Unit 3 and 4 VCE studies, including one from the English group

So to receive your VCE, you need to pass 3 units of English (with at least one being Unit 3 or Unit 4).
To receive an ATAR, you need to pass Unit 3 and 4 of English.