Political spectrums

[TrueLight]

if you are interested to know a bit more about the political system in terms of what is republic vs democracy vs other forms, i highly recommend watching this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0

[Noblesse]

Hope you don't mind, I'm just going to leave this here (it's kinda related )

[/0]

Few things I didn't quite get:
- For a Republic, you need laws to enforce proper behaviour. But since these laws must always be chosen by people, isn't it really a Democracy in disguise?
- A jury must be 'unanimous' in sentencing or the defendant is set free? That's unreasonable, and what's more, that's still a somewhat warped form of democracy.
Take for example the court trial, "Did the suspect commit a wrongdoing". If one person in the jury decides the man is innocent, then man is set free. Now consider the court trial, "Is the suspect cleared of wrongdoing". Now if one person in the jury decides the man is innocent, since it is not a unanimous majority, the man is put in prison? It's the same trial, the question is just reversed.

[Glockmeister]

- A jury must be 'unanimous' in sentencing or the defendant is set free? That's unreasonable, and what's more, that's still a somewhat warped form of democracy.
Take for example the court trial, "Did the suspect commit a wrongdoing". If one person in the jury decides the man is innocent, then man is set free. Now consider the court trial, "Is the suspect cleared of wrongdoing". Now if one person in the jury decides the man is innocent, since it is not a unanimous majority, the man is put in prison? It's the same trial, the question is just reversed.

That's what happens in real life /0. This is because a person is not assumed to be guilty until proved by a jury. By using a question "Is the suspect cleared of wrongdoing", the assumption is that the person if already guilty, and needs the redemption of the jury to be proved innocent.

[TrueLight]

good point... the laws are made from a few people at top....but if people just followed the natural law/rights or constitution... thats more for the people...although now thats chucked out the window..... im confused with the last part too much legal mumbo jumbo for me lol!.... god i would hate to be studying law....books the size of elephants...lol

[xXNovaxX]

DEMOCRATIC
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
You feel guilty for being successful.
Barbara Streisand sings for you.

REPUBLICAN
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
So?

SOCIALIST
You have two cows.
The government takes one and gives it to your
neighbor.
You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his
cow.

COMMUNIST
You have two cows.
The government seizes both and provides you with
milk.
You wait in line for hours to get it.
It is expensive and sour.

Dictatorship
You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.

Bureaucracy
You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can
 feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them.
After that, it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain.
Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.

SO TRUE! Especially like the bureaucracy and communism

[/0]

- A jury must be 'unanimous' in sentencing or the defendant is set free? That's unreasonable, and what's more, that's still a somewhat warped form of democracy.
Take for example the court trial, "Did the suspect commit a wrongdoing". If one person in the jury decides the man is innocent, then man is set free. Now consider the court trial, "Is the suspect cleared of wrongdoing". Now if one person in the jury decides the man is innocent, since it is not a unanimous majority, the man is put in prison? It's the same trial, the question is just reversed.

That's what happens in real life /0. This is because a person is not assumed to be guilty until proved by a jury. By using a question "Is the suspect cleared of wrongdoing", the assumption is that the person if already guilty, and needs the redemption of the jury to be proved innocent.

Hmm ok. I still think a unanimous decision is unreliable in the case of a jury. The 'majority' is more like the 'average' view of the jury, while a unanimous decision can be spoilt by a single outlier, not reflecting the common agreement (which created the laws in the first place).
Now I feel even more confused the differences between a republic and a democracy.

LOL @ xXNovaxX

[TrueLight]

Friedrich Hayek on why socialism cannot work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNbYdbf3EEc

[ninwa]

Sorry to bring back a slightly old point, but ...

Hmm ok. I still think a unanimous decision is unreliable in the case of a jury. The 'majority' is more like the 'average' view of the jury, while a unanimous decision can be spoilt by a single outlier, not reflecting the common agreement (which created the laws in the first place).

The reason the law requires a unanimous decision is because of the very serious consequences of convicting someone. Think about it - that person will have a criminal record for life (and the social stigma attached to it), lose their liberty for sometimes very long periods of time, suffer great financial loss; etc. Such an impairment on someone's fundamental human rights should not be arrived at lightly.

By the way, a unanimous verdict is only required for murder, treason and serious drug offences. For other offences, a majority (11/12, 10/11 or 9/10) is sufficient as long as there has been more than 6 hours of deliberation time.

[dcc]

I'm called a 'Social & Economic Liberal', where Liberal is small l liberal.

[TrueLight]

on a further note to my last post in this topic
Rand Paul on the reason why the Cold War failed-Socialism-economics-price fixing. Engine of capitalism that won the cold war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMGkJTxoCRU

[/0]

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/leftvright_world.html

A diagram of a Left vs Right world

[xXNovaxX]

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/leftvright_world.html

A diagram of a Left vs Right world

Thank you so much for that! I was able to see which side I like better, and its highly accurate, I compared left/right with Labor/Liberal Australian Governments, and it is so true!!!

Look at "supports war".....Liberals supported it, Labor condemned it
Look at red= egalitarian =Labor........Blue=survival of the fittest=Liberal
Blue= police, military, stock broker= liberal, they kept increasing police power, they favour the rick (stockbroker)
It's so interesting!

^^^ All generalised, and there would obviously be some exceptions.

Also, where do people see themselves, on which side?

[mypurpleundercracka]

DEMOCRATIC
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
You feel guilty for being successful.
Barbara Streisand sings for you.

REPUBLICAN
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
So?

SOCIALIST
You have two cows.
The government takes one and gives it to your
neighbor.
You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his
cow.

COMMUNIST
You have two cows.
The government seizes both and provides you with
milk.
You wait in line for hours to get it.
It is expensive and sour.

Dictatorship
You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.

Bureaucracy
You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can
 feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them.
After that, it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain.
Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.

SO TRUE! Especially like the bureaucracy and communism

thats in my russian rev book by richard malone

[xXNovaxX]

DEMOCRATIC
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
You feel guilty for being successful.
Barbara Streisand sings for you.

REPUBLICAN
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
So?

SOCIALIST
You have two cows.
The government takes one and gives it to your
neighbor.
You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his
cow.

COMMUNIST
You have two cows.
The government seizes both and provides you with
milk.
You wait in line for hours to get it.
It is expensive and sour.

Dictatorship
You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.

Bureaucracy
You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can
 feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them.
After that, it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain.
Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.

SO TRUE! Especially like the bureaucracy and communism

thats in my russian rev book by richard malone

Yeah I know =)  I found it interesting so I posted it up.

But there are variations online.