Expensive private schools

[ninwa]

sorry i missed it. who said public schools are better. im a bit tired. i've only read comparisons in terms of pratice exams etc. :S

Assumed it from magnum's post

[ngRISING]

sorry i missed it. who said public schools are better. im a bit tired. i've only read comparisons in terms of pratice exams etc. :S

Assumed it from magnum's post

OH. right right. makes more sense.

[dejan91]

From experience (and note that it only mentions 1st year specifically), the higher scores for public school students is more a result of private school students' mentalities - to quote a friend, in first year they tend to think they're "top shit" because of their private education and as a result don't put in as much effort into Uni because they think they'll breeze through it like with VCE.  Hence private school students tend to do a lot better than they did 1st year come 2nd year onwards...

Lol I find this funny. It's people like that (not you EZ) who think they're "top shit" that make me want to get a high enter. I have nothing against private schools... just the conceited attitudes which generally radiate from them

Anyway, I really believe teachers have a significant impact on the education you receive. Personally, I love every single teacher I have this year and so learning is enjoyable and engaging.

Yeah it's true a public school environment isn't as stimulating as that of a private school's... but I've found that only to be the case UP TO year 12. What I found was that in year's 7-10, the general consensus of students was that I've you studied or got good grades, you were a 'nerd'...and so that restricted MANY from reaching their full potential. Then years 10-11 were when the sifting process began...things began to improve (slightly) as the rebels of the year level drop out for apprenticeships or went to VCAL. This year however, I've noticed a BIG change in attitudes. All of a sudden, people wanted to do good!! Surprise, surprise... And now those receiving the high marks are envied for their hard-work and what not. haha and that's the story of a typical public school.

Btw, going back to what I said about the student making the school, have a look at Glen Waverly. Their average study score every year is almost on par with MHS, MacRob and other elite private schools. I remember a few years back my friend telling me something like 7 people from G.W. got 99.95 in the one year...which needless to say is absolutely crazy!

[QuantumJG]

Why are we arguing over which schools print out more trial exams lol
Lets add some evidence to the debate. This ones for all the public students out there  


http://www.monash.edu.au/news/newsline/story/350

Public school students perform well at university


6 April 2005

A study released today by Monash University researchers Ian Dobson and Eric Skuja has found students from public schools outperform those from private schools when they reach university.

Mr Dobson said a survey of 12,500 first year Monash University students revealed public school students who left Year 12 with lower marks than their private school rivals overtook them academically at university.

"Once on a level playing field, students from non-selective government schools tend to do much better," he said.

"Private school students have an advantage at exam time in Year 12 because they have access to more resources. However, this advantage evaporates when they reach university."

The report found that once at university, public school students performed better academically in their first year compared with private school students who received similar ENTER scores.

"We found that, on average, government school students performed about five percentage points better than students from independent schools," Mr Dobson said.

The study confirmed that private school students generally received higher Year 12 marks than those from the public system but showed that any edge gained was lost in the first year of a bachelor degree.

Mr Dobson said the report had implications for university admissions and policies.

The report, called 'Secondary schooling, tertiary entry ranks and university performance', will be released in the April edition of People and Place, distributed by Monash University's Centre for Urban Research and Population Studies.

The report can be accessed at http://elecpress.monash.edu.au/pnp/view/issue/?volume=13&issue=1.

lol this is true.

Just wait until you get into a good uni and have access to great resources, your marks will go up. I even get marks near par with some people who got 40's for specialist maths.

This is why uni's are trying to decrease ENTER dependency and rely more on your uni GPA when you apply for a post-grad degree.

[ngRISING]

This year however, I've noticed a BIG change in attitudes. All of a sudden, people wanted to do good!! Surprise, surprise... And now those receiving the high marks are envied for their hard-work and what not. haha and that's the story of a typical public school.

true true. LOL !! i use to be a dummy. 3% for my quadratics test. failed spelling quizzes and stuff. catching up a little bit now =p

[james207]

Why are we arguing over which schools print out more trial exams lol
Lets add some evidence to the debate. This ones for all the public students out there 


http://www.monash.edu.au/news/newsline/story/350

Public school students perform well at university


6 April 2005

A study released today by Monash University researchers Ian Dobson and Eric Skuja has found students from public schools outperform those from private schools when they reach university.

Mr Dobson said a survey of 12,500 first year Monash University students revealed public school students who left Year 12 with lower marks than their private school rivals overtook them academically at university.

"Once on a level playing field, students from non-selective government schools tend to do much better," he said.

"Private school students have an advantage at exam time in Year 12 because they have access to more resources. However, this advantage evaporates when they reach university."

The report found that once at university, public school students performed better academically in their first year compared with private school students who received similar ENTER scores.

"We found that, on average, government school students performed about five percentage points better than students from independent schools," Mr Dobson said.

The study confirmed that private school students generally received higher Year 12 marks than those from the public system but showed that any edge gained was lost in the first year of a bachelor degree.

Mr Dobson said the report had implications for university admissions and policies.

The report, called 'Secondary schooling, tertiary entry ranks and university performance', will be released in the April edition of People and Place, distributed by Monash University's Centre for Urban Research and Population Studies.

The report can be accessed at http://elecpress.monash.edu.au/pnp/view/issue/?volume=13&issue=1.

lol this is true.

Just wait until you get into a good uni and have access to great resources, your marks will go up. I even get marks near par with some people who got 40's for specialist maths.

This is why uni's are trying to decrease ENTER dependency and rely more on your uni GPA when you apply for a post-grad degree.

So even after paying over $20,000 to go to a private school, public school students have an advantage at uni!! SWEET!!!! 

[EvangelionZeta]

-facepalm-

[IntoTheNewWorld]

From experience (and note that it only mentions 1st year specifically), the higher scores for public school students is more a result of private school students' mentalities - to quote a friend, in first year they tend to think they're "top shit" because of their private education and as a result don't put in as much effort into Uni because they think they'll breeze through it like with VCE.  Hence private school students tend to do a lot better than they did 1st year come 2nd year onwards...

I believe

Lol I find this funny. It's people like that (not you EZ) who think they're "top shit" that make me want to get a high enter. I have nothing against private schools... just the conceited attitudes which generally radiate from them

Anyway, I really believe teachers have a significant impact on the education you receive. Personally, I love every single teacher I have this year and so learning is enjoyable and engaging.

Yeah it's true a public school environment isn't as stimulating as that of a private school's... but I've found that only to be the case UP TO year 12. What I found was that in year's 7-10, the general consensus of students was that I've you studied or got good grades, you were a 'nerd'...and so that restricted MANY from reaching their full potential. Then years 10-11 were when the sifting process began...things began to improve (slightly) as the rebels of the year level drop out for apprenticeships or went to VCAL. This year however, I've noticed a BIG change in attitudes. All of a sudden, people wanted to do good!! Surprise, surprise... And now those receiving the high marks are envied for their hard-work and what not. haha and that's the story of a typical public school.

Btw, going back to what I said about the student making the school, have a look at Glen Waverly. Their average study score every year is almost on par with MHS, MacRob and other elite private schools. I remember a few years back my friend telling me something like 7 people from G.W. got 99.95 in the one year...which needless to say is absolutely crazy!

I think Glen Waverly is in the position of having a "private school effect", that is, you need money or parents that care about education to get in. The Glen Waverly school zone is incredibly small, and house prices in the Glen Waverly school zone are not really affordable for people at normal local high schools. So like in private schools, parents have to care for their children's education. I hear of parents buying houses in the zone just to get in the zone, and even parents who fake addresses to get into Glen Waverly. Unfortunately, it's not representative of the normal local high school. Just my opinion anyway.

It would be nice if every public school performed like Glen Waverly though.

[appianway]

It would be nice if every public school performed like Glen Waverly though.

Nice, but impossible. VCE marks are based on rank, so there are going to be high and low performing schools.

In saying that, it'd be nice if every public school was able to offer its students opportunities and instill positive attitudes towards education.

[/0]

I suspect that people from public schools who get into university are actually motivated to do well, while many dregs in private schools kind of 'expect' to get to university, regardless of how much they put in. I think some ex-private school students would feel less motivated to study because regardless of how they do they will still have significant financial backup (although i think the 'financial backup' private school students have is frequently exaggerated).

[ninwa]

I think some ex-private school students would feel less motivated to study because regardless of how they do they will still have significant financial backup (although i think the 'financial backup' private school students have is frequently exaggerated).

That's a good point - I have friends who didn't even bother going to university because they were guaranteed management-level jobs at their parents' companies etc.

[Rietie]

I think some ex-private school students would feel less motivated to study because regardless of how they do they will still have significant financial backup (although i think the 'financial backup' private school students have is frequently exaggerated).

That's a good point - I have friends who didn't even bother going to university because they were guaranteed management-level jobs at their parents' companies etc.

:O

Are people allowed to do that?
If my parents owned a company and offered me a high job that I had no qualifications for, I don't think I could accept it. I will feel so bad. And I wouldn't compently do my job. I'd rather work casually at a bottom level place at the company while going to uni.

[dejan91]

I think some ex-private school students would feel less motivated to study because regardless of how they do they will still have significant financial backup (although i think the 'financial backup' private school students have is frequently exaggerated).

That's a good point - I have friends who didn't even bother going to university because they were guaranteed management-level jobs at their parents' companies etc.

Sure is funny how this world works... "it's not what you know, but who you know" sadly.

[Glockmeister]

I think some ex-private school students would feel less motivated to study because regardless of how they do they will still have significant financial backup (although i think the 'financial backup' private school students have is frequently exaggerated).

That's a good point - I have friends who didn't even bother going to university because they were guaranteed management-level jobs at their parents' companies etc.

:O

Are people allowed to do that?
If my parents owned a company and offered me a high job that I had no qualifications for, I don't think I could accept it. I will feel so bad. And I wouldn't compently do my job. I'd rather work casually at a bottom level place at the company while going to uni.

There's nothing illegal about it... whether it is a wise business decision is another matter altogether.

[lynt.br]

I think some ex-private school students would feel less motivated to study because regardless of how they do they will still have significant financial backup (although i think the 'financial backup' private school students have is frequently exaggerated).

That's a good point - I have friends who didn't even bother going to university because they were guaranteed management-level jobs at their parents' companies etc.

:O

Are people allowed to do that?
If my parents owned a company and offered me a high job that I had no qualifications for, I don't think I could accept it. I will feel so bad. And I wouldn't compently do my job. I'd rather work casually at a bottom level place at the company while going to uni.