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LHC is being 'sabotaged from the future'
« on: October 20, 2009, 12:34:40 am »
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Really interesting article:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,26229233-5014239,00.html

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SCIENTISTS claim the giant atom-smashing Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is being jinxed from the future to save the world.

In a bizarre sci-fi theory, Danish physicist Dr Holger Bech Nielsen and Dr Masao Ninomiya from Japan claim the LHC startup has been delayed due to nature trying to prevent it from finding the elusive Higgs boson, or "God particle".

They say their maths proves that nature will "ripple backward through time" to stop the LHC before it can create the God particle, like a time traveller who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

“One could even almost say that we have a model for God,” Dr Nielsen says in an unpublished essay.

“He rather hates Higgs particles, and attempts to avoid them.”

"While it is a paradox to go back in time and kill your grandfather, physicists agree there is no paradox if you go back in time and save him from being hit by a bus," Dannis Overbye wrote in the New York Times.

Wayne of Albany "In the case of the Higgs and the collider, it is as if something is going back in time to keep the universe from being hit by a bus."

“It must be our prediction that all Higgs producing machines shall have bad luck,” Dr Nielsen told the New York Times.

European science agency CERN designed the world's biggest particle accelerator to shoot beams around a freezing 27km concrete ring underground near Geneva, smashing atoms together in search of the elusive "God particle" which is believed to have been present at the Big Bang.

The multi-billion-dollar machine, built over almost 20 years, was set to launch in late 2008 but broke down after it overheated during a test run.

The relaunch was pushed back to late 2009 as more parts had to be replaced, and CERN was recently scandalised when a LHC scientist was found to have approached al-Qaeda for work.

The LHC - which features in sci-fi plots such as Dan Brown's Angels and Demons and the new TV show FlashForward - has been dubbed a "doomsday device" with claims it will open black holes.

Last year, Professor Brian Cox of Manchester University told the UK Telegraph that LHC scientists had received threatening emails and phone calls demanding that the experiment be halted.

But Prof Cox, ex-keyboardist for 1990's pop group D:REAM, dismissed the hysteria in rock-star style.

"Anyone who thinks the LHC will destroy the world is a tw--," he said.

The LHC is set to start up again next month.

- with Reuters

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Re: LHC is being 'sabotaged from the future'
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2009, 12:42:21 am »
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btw, why is "Twit" i assume (2nd last line) seen as a rude word?

It was heavily used in a film we watched (well they used twat), and it just means "stupid  person" doesn't it?

LOL, sorry for picking that out, but yeah! What an interesting article, the whole LHC freaks me out tbh. Was that the one which got turned on last year underneath streets of Switzerland? And it had atom particles hit each other at extremely fast speeds? And they were afraid of creating black holes?

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Re: LHC is being 'sabotaged from the future'
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2009, 12:49:39 am »
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Yeah it's that one... honestly I don't think the LHC is much of a threat, after all you have neutron stars and supernovae that generate far greater amounts of energy. But it is an interesting theory nonetheless, I would love to see them explain it further.
As for 'twit', yeah, hardly an offensive word. I guess they wanted to be on the safe side. Or maybe there is another swear word starting with 'tw-' that I haven't heard of :P

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2009, 12:53:56 am »
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http://www.noswearing.com/dictionary/t

twat= a female ........ (distinguishes between the 2 genders)

 I NEVER knew that word

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Re: LHC is being 'sabotaged from the future'
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 12:58:55 am »
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So what's a Higg particle (God particle?) lol
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Re: LHC is being 'sabotaged from the future'
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 01:01:42 am »
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So what's a Higg particle (God particle?) lol

Its the particle that gives things mass, but it doesn't interact with light for some reason.  I dont much about this topic lol

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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 01:02:35 am »
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So what's a Higg particle (God particle?) lol

Its the particle that gives things mass, but it doesn't interact with light for some reason.  I dont much about this topic lol
nice, I'd like one as well if they can find some.
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2009, 01:06:45 am »
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So what's a Higg particle (God particle?) lol

Its the particle that gives things mass, but it doesn't interact with light for some reason.  I dont much about this topic lol
nice, I'd like one as well if they can find some.

Might have to wait a few more years then :(

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Re: LHC is being 'sabotaged from the future'
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2009, 03:58:20 pm »
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I love the LHC and the panic that ensued when it was about to be turned on last year. I just laughed at everyone who didn't understand and did a massive 'I TOLD YOU SO' to all my friends who were like, 'LOL WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS? WHY ARE YOU SO STRANGE?' when I tried to explain it a few months beforehand.

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'When activated, it is theorized that the collider will produce the elusive Higgs boson, the observation of which could confirm the predictions and "missing links" in the Standard Model of physics and could explain how other elementary particles acquire properties such as mass.'

Which means that, through various collisions separating and fusing particles, they will eventually produce a Higgs boson. The Higgs boson hadron is a subatomic particle with a mass of zero. Being able to study this atom is fucking incredible. It will tell us so much about how particles acquire their properties, the true meanings of mass and density, various revelations concerning particle structure, and, more than that...

zero.

ZERO.

WE WILL UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF ZERO.

And I have ten quid on the answer being '42'.

Only thing is no one really knows if the Higgs boson exists. Everyone's trying to prove it. But if it is proven, significant research could be undertaken into further fleshing out the Grand Unified Theory (certain physicists believe three of the four fundamental forces - electromagnetism, strong nuclear force and weak nuclear force - are somehow connected). It'll explain the strength of gravitation, and maybe even produce (according to Wikipedia) strangelets, micro black holes, magnetic monopoles and supersymmetric particles.

So yeah, we're making black holes, meaning getting a grasp on antimatter! ANTIMATTER! Black matter and black energy! We, as a species, in our formative years, are finally about to discover nothing.

We're going to find out what the universe is expanding INTO.

How is this not worth it? How is this wealth of knowledge useless or scary?

PS.

The energy required to create a black hole large enough to swallow anything bigger than a few flecks of microparticles is... bigger than anyone can comprehend. In space it takes the nuclear implosion of stars bigger than our sun to create even dinky ones. Our Earth, our sun, even our solar system can't really produce anything big enough to destroy a planet.

Amazing.

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