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Re: Anti-Censorship protest
« Reply #61 on: December 23, 2009, 03:04:32 pm »
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/world/asia/18china.html?_r=1

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Huang Xiwei, the founder of BT China, criticized the move in an interview posted on Sina.com, a popular Chinese Internet portal. “Not just film and video sites are affected,” Mr. Huang said. “All Web sites owned by individuals will gradually exit the arena. All paths leading to a future have been blocked.”

$10 says that interview will be gone a week later
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Re: Anti-Censorship protest
« Reply #62 on: January 04, 2010, 01:57:44 pm »
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An open letter to Senator Stephen Conroy from a concerned parent!
Thank you Stephen Conroy! Thank you so much for keeping my family safe. By announcing that your new internet filter is a measure "to improve the safety of the internet for families", I feel reassured that you only have my, and my daughter's, best interests at heart.

But, I just have one question - I didn't know my family was at risk from the internet! I mean, my household has been connected to the web at increasingly fast speeds for the last ten years and my daughter has yet to be damaged in any way. Yet you say my child could be exposed to illegal sites featuring child porn, sexual violence and criminal instruction. Bloody hell! My daughter and I must have been incredibly lucky not to stumble across any of these sites up to now, especially if they are so commonly accessed by the average home user - as they must be for you to invest so much time, effort and money in this no doubt wonderful safeguard.

It's strange though. I was under the impression that Google and the other search engines filtered out such illegal websites from their search results, making it incredibly hard for us regular people to discover them by mistake. Instead of accidentally coming across a dodgy site in a search engine, people must be choosing to go there, so this filter is designed to target this deliberate behaviour. That would mean you are concerned my daughter may learn the specific url of such a 'dangerous' website and willingly type it in. Wow! My daughter isn't as well brought up as I thought she was! Thanks for pointing out how terrible a father I've been by not teaching her the basic values of our society. I bow to your superior experience of what goes on in my house and will immediately report myself to DOCS.

But wait - according to your press release, this is about more than just child porn and illegal websites; the filter will apparently apply to all 'Restricted Classification' material. Sure, that includes all those nasty bestiality, kiddie porn and illegal sites of one shade or another, but there are other reasons why a site might be refused classification. And, according to you, the "RC Content list will be compiled through a public complaints mechanism." Fantastic! If I merely don't like something, or am offended, I can complain and may end up getting the entire site banned! I'm sure the mechanism will require more than one complaint and would presumably have a review system similar to other complaints bodies, but some lobby groups are pretty good at getting heard if something offends their own world view. I bet there are a few groups already angling to submit complaints against atheist sites, political sites, or any 'controversial' topic that offends their sensibilities by merely existing and posing an alternative viewpoint. RC already applies to a website discussing euthanasia, a community organisation site advising drug users how to stay safe and a site for safe discussion of young gays struggling to cope with their sexuality, among others. If these sites are deemed objectionable or controversial enough to be refused classification - illegality is not the only target here. Posing awkward questions, providing unpopular information or contradicting current political ideologies can cause the filter to slam down.

That's great. at least I know my daughter won't be exposed to content that challenges the safe world view you would like us to have. Better she is not allowed to think too deeply about such topics as how society deals with old age and painful illness. Better she never learns how not to catch HIV should she ever take up drugs. Better she try her hardest not to turn out gay. It just raises too many difficult questions regarding current government policy. We know politicians don't like us thinking too hard about the more difficult topics as it makes us demand better answers from you and - depending on your responses - may make us less likely to vote for you in future.

As to those other sites that somehow wind up on the blacklist when it was leaked earlier in the year - you know, the bus companies, dentist and other legal businesses that found themselves blocked with no explanation why - I'm sure everything was done correctly. If it's on the list, I'll just assume that the dentist was in reality a white slave trader and the bus companies trafficking in cocaine. There has to be a legitimate reason why these otherwise legal websites appeared on the blacklist if you've got such a foolproof 'mechanism' in place. Right?

Then again, you've not said how this "public complaints mechanism" will work, so I'm not sure. And neither is anyone else. Tell you what - how about a button we can install on our web browser tool bars. We can call it the "Ban Button". Clicking the button when you're on a website automatically submits the site to ACMA (the Australian Communications and Media Authority). It can work like Digg or Tweetmeme - if a page gets enough hits on the Ban Button, it goes on the RC list! Now there's a funky Web 2.0 social media thingy style idea that will get you props with the kids and the geek crowd! They love their social media voting buttons!

So thanks Senator Conroy. I can send my daughter to her room now without any fears that she'll be on the internet plotting the overthrow of the government or chatting to perverted old men in a chatroom.

What? You mean the filter won't prevent chatroom conversations? She can still be exposed to paedophiles grooming teenagers in social networks and messenging services? You say the filter won't prevent people spreading illegal content through BitTorrent or other file sharing services? You say we'll be blocked from sites I don't think we've ever accessed - at the cost of other legal sites getting caught in the web - while the crims and perverts still get to do what they do unhindered?

Well, I guess I may need to take some other action then if I wish my daughter to be safe. Like - oh I don't know - teaching my daughter how to use the internet, setting acceptable limits and behaviours, helping her to think for herself and understand right from wrong, and - crucially - knowing what she is doing when she is online. Maybe I can call this revolutionary strategy something catchy, like... I know! Parenting!
Source: http://www.atomiksoapbox.com/2009/12/an-open-letter-to-senator-stephen-conroy-from-a-concerned-parent.html

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Re: Anti-Censorship protest
« Reply #63 on: January 04, 2010, 02:43:18 pm »
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i hate stephen conroy
does this guy even expect to retain his sentate seat at the next election ?
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Re: Anti-Censorship protest
« Reply #64 on: January 04, 2010, 05:19:09 pm »
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So long as VN isnt blocked...

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Re: Anti-Censorship protest
« Reply #65 on: January 04, 2010, 05:21:51 pm »
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if we say enough bad things about the government they will get to us eventually :P
censorship starts off small, but it will get bigger *sigh*
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Re: Anti-Censorship protest
« Reply #66 on: January 04, 2010, 08:32:01 pm »
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LOL love the parent letter
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« Reply #67 on: January 10, 2010, 01:55:59 pm »
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A rather radical article, but still interesting...
Think of the Children: Parallels Between Australia and Totalitarian Regimes on Censorship
In the middle of December, an article was published by a senior News Corp executive in Australia that claimed among other things that those standing against censorship in Australia were “communists” who had no real understanding of history.

We’re not linking to an organization that purposely defames those who disagree with it, but the article claimed that there was no parallels between what is happening in Australia, and what has previously occurred in places like Nazi Germany, Iran or China.

“…the arguments being mounted against his plan – and specifically against him [Conroy], as for some unfathomable reason this has become a bitchy personal campaign – fall into three woeful categories. The historically inaccurate, the deliberately incorrect, and the morally ambivalent…..casually compare the conduct of the Rudd Government to the dictatorships in China, Iran, Burma, the former Soviet Bloc.”

I have to LOL at being called a Communist as it’s the first time I’ve been labeled anywhere moderately to the left of the center, but I digress because nothing speaks louder than facts to combat those who are so pathetic as to call those who disagree with them “communists.”

Won’t someone think of the children?
Censorship is always justified for a reason, usually on the grounds of protecting society from the content being censored. Children are usually somewhere near the top of the list.

Stephen Conroy
“It is important that all Australians, particularly young children, are protected from this material….The Government believes that parents want assistance to reduce the risk of children being exposed to such material.”

“Online safety is critical for children to enjoy positive internet experiences, and to protect themselves from danger.”

Adolf Hitler
“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as government is perceived as working for the benefit of children, the people happily will endure almost any curtailment of liberty.”

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini
“Teachers and professors, you must be alert to watch your own colleagues to see if some of them are trying to teach deviating thoughts during their lessons to the children of our Islamic nation so that they can be stopped”

Lenin
"Destroy the family, you destroy the country….Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted….ideological talk and phrase mongering about political liberties should be disposed with; all that is just mere chatter and phrase mongering. We should get away from those phrases.”

Qin Gang, a Foreign Ministry spokesman for China on censorship
“If you have children or are expecting a child, you could understand the concerns of parents over unhealthy online content.”

When it starts
The broader history of censorship is full of examples where censorship is first introduced on a smaller scale, usually justified in protecting people, then over time becomes something far more sinister.

China quote
“Professor Jonathan Zittrain, of Harvard’s Berkman Center said: “Once you’ve got government-mandated software installed on each machine, the software has the keys to the kingdom… While the justification may be pitched as protecting children and mostly concerning pornography, once the architecture is set up it can be used for broader purposes, such as the filtering of political ideas.”

Once you have censorship, Government’s find extra uses, no matter what they say to begin with. Joseph Goebbels: “It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion”

Nazi Germany
Of note to historians of Nazi Germany is the gradual increase in censorship from the beginnings of the Third Reich to its end. On the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda: “The Ministry grew steadily. It began in 1933 with five departments and 350 employees. By 1939, there were 2000 employees in 17 departments. Between 1933 and 1941, the Ministry’s budget grew from 14 million to 187 million Reichsmarks.” (ref.)

Conroy is boosting numbers in “cyber safety” including the hiring of an additional 91 police officers and an expansion of ACMA programs.

China
Of note in China is that formal censorship is more of a late bloomer in the country, with all press owned by the State in China until well into the 80s and 90s (hence it was controlled by political means.) Foreign works were censored during the cultural revolution, however a broad basis under law came later. Of direct parallel (and mentioned above) is China’s more recent crackdown on pornography in an effort to “save the children.”

Iran
Censorship in Iran has expanded in the past year following the student uprising in 2009. Where as Iran had a fairly liberal censorship regime (for that part of the world) Iran now monitors and blocks large chunks of the internet and other forms of communication (no reference needed, check Google or Wikipedia for the latest.) The censorship infrastructure in place, it was simply a matter of expanding its reach.

Australia
The risk in Australia is presented by the misplaced popularism of the Government, specifically in its false belief that the policy is wanted. All it takes is some targeted lobbying from groups who will deliver votes to the ALP, and Conroy decides to extend the filter.

Minister Conroy has waffled about what would and wouldn’t be included since coming to power, along with a double back-flip on the filter being compulsory or not; remember it was Labor’s policy at the last election that the filter would be optional NOT compulsory. That Conroy now states that the filter will never be extended is impossible to believe given that he has already clearly changed what he has said previously.

Conclusion
Given a full day or five this post could be far more extensive in its examples of how Australia’s draconian internet censorship policy has rich historical precedents in other countries. However the examples prove to a point that the rhetoric and current direction of the Australian Government on censorship does have parallels with totalitarian regimes past and present.

You might be able to argue the degree of similarities, but remember that when Conroy says that someone should think of the children, he follows in the footsteps of Hitler, Lenin and many other dictators over the years. When he says that censorship is protecting us from bad stuff, he follows in the footsteps of Iran and China who both use the same arguments when defending their censorship laws.

The internet censorship proposal from the Australian Government must be stopped; even if we concede that the chances of Australia turning into the next Iran are slim, that there is a chance now the door is open is a chance never worth taking. Free speech is far too important to risk on a throw of a dice, or as the case may be the words of a Minister who is proven to be a man who can’t keep his word.

Source (with working references): http://www.inquisitr.com/55091/think-of-the-children-parallels-between-australia-and-totalitarian-regimes-on-censorship/

Sorry about the Nazi reference :P
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Re: Anti-Censorship protest
« Reply #68 on: January 10, 2010, 02:47:39 pm »
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that article is brilliant
good quotes
censorship of the internet>loss of freedoms leading to a more totalitarian government

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« Reply #69 on: January 18, 2010, 04:25:26 pm »
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Various petitions:

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Due to the governments plan to go ahead with imposing compulsory internet censorship on every Australian despite heavy opposition whether it be from the public or experts or businesses or online gamers, we are being ignored, this petition has been prepared, and will be tabled in Parliament to officially express our condemnation of the forthcoming legislation that imposes and infringes on our human rights and effects every user’s experience online.

Every signatures counts, as a democratic country we have the right and therefore the responsibility to resist censorship.

This petition has been prepared inline with the House of representative rules and is in compliance with the standing orders that apply to petitions.

The House does not accept petitions in electronic form and petitions must be on paper.

Each signature on the petition must be made by the person signing in his or her own handwriting.

Every signature must be written on a page bearing the request part of the terms of the petition.

Signatures must not be copied, pasted or transferred onto the petition.

Do your part download the petition

http://www.thecrowhouse.com/Documents/Petition%20Version%202.pdf

Electronic Frontiers Australia Inc. (EFA)
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« Reply #70 on: January 27, 2010, 05:20:34 pm »
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From The Canberra Times

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Re: Anti-Censorship protest
« Reply #71 on: January 27, 2010, 05:31:02 pm »
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im doing my oral presentation on this.  :)
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Re: Anti-Censorship protest
« Reply #72 on: February 02, 2010, 11:10:24 am »
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South Australia has removed the right to use a pseudonym on the internet:

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26665381-5006301,00.html
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« Reply #73 on: February 02, 2010, 11:51:43 am »
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South Australia has removed the right to use a pseudonym on the internet:

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26665381-5006301,00.html

 South Australia? Surely you mean Airstrip One there ninwa?

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« Reply #74 on: February 04, 2010, 03:21:38 pm »
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