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The kind of people that don't listen to science and reason.
« on: March 04, 2010, 04:47:25 pm »
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So you know what pisses me off?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories

But more importantly conspiracy people in general. I was in a newsagent today and I always automatically walk over to the magazines and to the science section to see whats in newscientist or scientific american and I was appalled to see that among those magazines were things like Hard Evidence. There was a whole collection of magazines like this just casually placed among the science magazines. These aren't scientific magazines; unless you consider them pseudoscience and I wouldn't even put them in that category. Some of these magazines claim the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

These people just can't stand something happening. One of the greatest human achievements of all time was filmed in a studio somewhere? Absolutely ridiculous. NASA can't afford to pay the hundreds of people involved in setting something like that up to keep their mouth shut for the rest of their lives. Over 2000 people died in the 9/11 attacks but it was obviously the Government because a building wouldn't collapse like that unless is was a controlled demolition!!!!!!! Bullshit. Never mind the people on the plane in Philadelphia. They're not dead the plane landed and they were taken to a new location to live out the rest of their days while their family thinks they're dead.

Scientist prove them wrong time and time again and all they do is ignore the scientific evidence and say "Yeah well you have a closed mind!!!!". The great Phil Plait uses this image to demonstrate what happens when trying to reason with a conspiracy theorists:

He is absolutely right. They don't fucking listen and instead decide to call us ignorant and blind.

Fuck off. You're the worst kind of people I've ever come across and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

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Re: The kind of people that don't listen to science and reason.
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2010, 04:56:43 pm »
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Alright Cthulhu, I'll just believe everything that historians have told me.

The winners wrote the history books.

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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2010, 06:14:04 pm »
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Alright Cthulhu, I'll just believe everything that historians have told me.

The winners wrote the history books.

yep... read the article i posted about conspiracy vs philosophy
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2010, 06:51:07 pm »
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Well, sometimes it is difficult to decide who to trust. Scientific journals might have a lot of prestige, but science isn't perfect, and it can have biases. That being said, I think it's is a good idea to remain agnostic unless you want to go through the rigmarole of listening to and scrutinizing both sides of the debate. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2010, 07:00:08 pm »
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Christians?

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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2010, 07:04:37 pm »
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These people just can't stand something happening. One of the greatest human achievements of all time was filmed in a studio somewhere? Absolutely ridiculous.
yeh that pisses me off heaps
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2010, 07:05:59 pm »
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It reminds me of Nineteen-Eighty Four. But some of the conpiracies are absolutely ridiculous!!!
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2010, 07:26:01 pm »
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It shits me how a lot of people bring emotions into religion, which I guess is kind of hard not to do if you're a believer. People like my parents who were raised in Catholic houses, I cannot have a discussion about religion with without someone ending up shouting or storming out of the room. They lack the ability to see religion from a different perspective - outside of the Catholic sphere (or whatever religion), instead they're unable to think logically and reasonably about the topic at hand.

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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2010, 08:06:49 pm »
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Holocaust (and 9/11) deniers enrage me like no other.
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2010, 08:17:25 pm »
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Well, sometimes it is difficult to decide who to trust. Scientific journals might have a lot of prestige, but science isn't perfect, and it can have biases. That being said, I think it's is a good idea to remain agnostic unless you want to go through the rigmarole of listening to and scrutinizing both sides of the debate. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.

One of my lecturers (he's German) noted that science would never be perfect but that 'if you prove the textbooks right, then you've discovered nothing. If you prove the textbooks wrong, then you've discovered something'

The point is that there is a major mis-characterisation of what science is (perhaps brought about by how it's taught). It's never going to be the absolute truth, but it's probably our best crack at it.
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Re: The kind of people that don't listen to science and reason.
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2010, 09:32:34 pm »
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So you know what pisses me off?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories

But more importantly conspiracy people in general. I was in a newsagent today and I always automatically walk over to the magazines and to the science section to see whats in newscientist or scientific american and I was appalled to see that among those magazines were things like Hard Evidence. There was a whole collection of magazines like this just casually placed among the science magazines. These aren't scientific magazines; unless you consider them pseudoscience and I wouldn't even put them in that category. Some of these magazines claim the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

These people just can't stand something happening. One of the greatest human achievements of all time was filmed in a studio somewhere? Absolutely ridiculous. NASA can't afford to pay the hundreds of people involved in setting something like that up to keep their mouth shut for the rest of their lives. Over 2000 people died in the 9/11 attacks but it was obviously the Government because a building wouldn't collapse like that unless is was a controlled demolition!!!!!!! Bullshit. Never mind the people on the plane in Philadelphia. They're not dead the plane landed and they were taken to a new location to live out the rest of their days while their family thinks they're dead.

Scientist prove them wrong time and time again and all they do is ignore the scientific evidence and say "Yeah well you have a closed mind!!!!". The great Phil Plait uses this image to demonstrate what happens when trying to reason with a conspiracy theorists:
(Image removed from quote.)
He is absolutely right. They don't fucking listen and instead decide to call us ignorant and blind.

Fuck off. You're the worst kind of people I've ever come across and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Also:
Antivaxers
and Holocaust Deniers.

I should get a blog

I hate people who say the landing on the moon is a hoax.

As for them saying your not open to 'what's out there', they just have created some artificial world that lacks any logical reasoning and anyone smart enough should forget about them. Having said that, being confronted is another issue and I can't stand it when that happens.
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Re: The kind of people that don't listen to science and reason.
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2010, 09:44:34 pm »
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It shits me how a lot of people bring emotions into religion, which I guess is kind of hard not to do if you're a believer. People like my parents who were raised in Catholic houses, I cannot have a discussion about religion with without someone ending up shouting or storming out of the room. They lack the ability to see religion from a different perspective - outside of the Catholic sphere (or whatever religion), instead they're unable to think logically and reasonably about the topic at hand.

IMO I believe everyone has the right to believe in what they want to, BUT, having said that, I don't like people who force their religion on me (that includes those people at my uni handing out bibles - especially saying 'you will be saved').

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Re: The kind of people that don't listen to science and reason.
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2010, 06:31:37 pm »
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I don't think its a good idea to place 100% trust or fiercely defend the royal society or the doctor or medicine for example. If you do this you're really becoming what you fight against, someone who takes things on belief or just because they're on that side. I know some people who are so into science and skepticism and logic who have became like this.

I reckon a healthy dose of skepticism all round is what is needed.

That said more or less the sciencey evidence based side tends to be more correct more of the time.

[I remember year 8 science. We had to have a debate. The topic: If the moon landing happened. I was on the negative side... most one sided debate ever. They had materials brought back from the moon, testimony of all the people involved, how stupid it was. I had... a flag waving which i new was crappy evidence, the lead scientist going to Antarctica to gather asteroids similar to moon rocks, ect.

Now that i think about it the whole idea of the exercise probably wasn't about the moon landing more to show scientific debate and how things are accepted and such.]

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Re: The kind of people that don't listen to science and reason.
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2010, 07:03:09 pm »
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I'm gonna go ahead and assume Cthulhus just trolling