Creationists hijack lessons

[ninwa]

http://www.news.com.au/national/creationists-hijack-lessons-and-teach-schoolkids-man-and-dinosaurs-walked-together/story-e6frfkvr-1225899497234

PRIMARY school students are being taught that man and dinosaurs walked the Earth together and that there is fossil evidence to prove it.

Fundamentalist Christians are hijacking Religious Instruction (RI) classes in Queensland despite education experts saying Creationism and attempts to convert children to Christianity have no place in state schools.

Students have been told Noah collected dinosaur eggs to bring on the Ark, and Adam and Eve were not eaten by dinosaurs because they were under a protective spell.

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A parent of a Year 5 student on the Sunshine Coast said his daughter was ostracised to the library after arguing with her scripture teacher about DNA.

"The scripture teacher told the class that all people were descended from Adam and Eve," he said.

"My daughter rightly pointed out, as I had been teaching her about DNA and science, that 'wouldn't they all be inbred'?

"But the teacher replied that DNA wasn't invented then."

le sigh

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wtf? I thought this only happened in America...
Dear god...

[lynt.br]

"New research shows three in 10 Australians believe dinosaurs and man did exist at the same time."

Discuss.

[jimmy999]

As someone who is Catholic, I find this ridiculous. The Catholic Church itself says that the whole Genesis story about Adam and Eve is to explain the nature of man. Adam and Eve mean man and women, the first to be around. It is highly unlikely that the first humans even had names. There are things in the bible which aren't meant to be taken literal and instead imply meaning. If these creationists had a brain, they would realise this

[Glockmeister]

"New research shows three in 10 Australians believe dinosaurs and man did exist at the same time."

Discuss.

I'd like to know who did the poll.

I've have heard horror stories of teachers having to teach biology in these school. I definitely don't think it's as prevelant in Australia as it is in the US.

[enwiabe]

As someone who is Catholic, I find this ridiculous. The Catholic Church itself says that the whole Genesis story about Adam and Eve is to explain the nature of man. Adam and Eve mean man and women, the first to be around. It is highly unlikely that the first humans even had names. There are things in the bible which aren't meant to be taken literal and instead imply meaning. If these creationists had a brain, they would realise this

LOL, only when you get enough people in the world to create a big enough shitstorm, will the Holy See(ing impaired) backtrack and admit it was wrong. And very begrudgingly at that. It took them fucking 310 years to apologise for what they did to Galileo

AND THEY'RE STILL SPREADING LIES AND BULLSHIT ABOUT DARWIN

The bible is, for all orthodox religious intents and purposes, taken as completely literal. They will GRUDGINGLY SAY 'oh yeah maybe not so literal' when it is politically expeditious, but if it takes them 310 years to admit that the earth isn't at the centre of the universe - holy shit. That is what will lead to fundamentalist nutjobs teaching what they teach. You can't say "but the institution doesn't believet hat, it's just the nutjobs!"

The institution is nuts! It's always been the institution of Catholicism (largely) that's been responsible for the ridiculous impedence of science throughout history. They were solely responsible for the dark ages. And then,

Galileo
Darwin

This is why we need religion out of our government systems, and, as much as possible, out of our schools. Religion has rarely, and most likely never, helped the advancement of science. The same could be said of social progress.

As more and more people wake up and say "the bible is a load of bollocks", and even MORE people start to toy with the idea that the bible is not literal, you'll get people in the Church coming out and saying, "kk we were wrong a bit".

But as this is happening, the nasty, insidious elements of the Church still espouse bigotry and ignorance, and that is the main cause of these religious fundamentalists - buddy, it is the religious institution. And as soon as you see that, the sooner you'll see that the only way this is going to change is when people stop taking the institution that denied a seemingly undeniable fact for hundreds of years seriously.

[Yitzi_K]

Religion has rarely, and most likely never, helped the advancement of science. The same could be said of social progress.

Disagree on both those points.

[vexx]

Wow... I was under the impression people were become more intelligent and now things like this? It actually makes me sick.

 

This is why we need religion out of our government systems, and, as much as possible, out of our schools. Religion has rarely, and most likely never, helped the advancement of science. The same could be said of social progress.

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Religion has rarely, and most likely never, helped the advancement of science. The same could be said of social progress.

Disagree on both those points.

Can you elaborate on that?

[kamil9876]

I visited Westminster Abbey recently, an awesome cathedral in London. Charles Darwin is burried there, next to Issac Newton and some religous people.

[schmalex]

I don't really think it's anything to be frightened of. Out of all the OPTIONAL religious education classes in Australia, ONE teacher is saying stupid stuff in a half hour lesson once a week. Kids might as well be taught to take what they're told with a grain of salt, they're gonig to be exposed to strange people in the real world.

[Cthulhu]

[Kennybhoy]

I love religion.

People having wars over who has the better imaginary friend, how can you beat that?

[Yitzi_K]

Religion has rarely, and most likely never, helped the advancement of science. The same could be said of social progress.

Disagree on both those points.

Can you elaborate on that?

Yes I can.

All of science can be derived from the Torah, if learnt properly. When I say all, I really mean all.

The Talmudic sages, who lived circa 1500 years ago, were all experts in mathematics, science, medicine, astronomy, philosophy and other areas, as can be seen from their writings. In fact, many scientific 'discoveries' of later centuries can be found in the Talmud.

Now none of these sages would have had ANY education other than a purely Torah education. Hence, all of their extensive and incredible knowledge on these subjects can only have come from the Torah.

This book discusses this at length.

I can cite dozens more examples, such as the Vilna Gaon and the Rambam, of people who were first and foremost Torah scholars, and at the same time world experts in mathematical and scientific fields.

As for religion advancing social progress, that is something I know me and enwiabe always have and probably always will disagree on, so I won't go down that road now. I'll just say that the way I see it, religion IS social progress.

[enwiabe]

All of science can be derived from the Torah, if learnt properly. When I say all, I really mean all.

The Talmudic sages, who lived circa 1500 years ago, were all experts in mathematics, science, medicine, astronomy, philosophy and other areas, as can be seen from their writings. In fact, many scientific 'discoveries' of later centuries can be found in the Talmud.

Now none of these sages would have had ANY education other than a purely Torah education. Hence, all of their extensive and incredible knowledge on these subjects can only have come from the Torah.

This book discusses this at length.

I can cite dozens more examples, such as the Vilna Gaon and the Rambam, of people who were first and foremost Torah scholars, and at the same time world experts in mathematical and scientific fields.

As for religion advancing social progress, that is something I know me and enwiabe always have and probably always will disagree on, so I won't go down that road now. I'll just say that the way I see it, religion IS social progress.

Sure.

If you REALLY believed that, then the Torah would be your maths textbook, not Essential/MathsQuest/whatever you're using. "All of science can be derived from Torah" :') That is so priceless... I challenge you to find me a reference to Magnetohydrodynamics in the Torah, or a path to its derivation from the Torah. Go! Of course, you'd have no idea what MHD is, much less how it would be derived from even Physical principles, because it is a relatively advanced topic of Physics that you wouldn't study until 3rd year of university. Yet you so BLINDLY believe that you can derive it from the Torah. This is an assertion which requires some sort of proof. Do you see the sort of logical traps you fall into?

You so easily take on whatever crap you're fed. Vilna Gaon WAS A STUDENT OF EUCLID'S GREAT WORKS. Maimonides studied Aristotle. Seriously, did you even do the most basic of research? It wasn't just Torah education, it was a MATHEMATICS education as well. They didn't read the bloody Torah and go "LOLZ OK DIS IS MATHS" - they actually read authors/experts in the relevant fields and that's how they gained their knowledge. Not from the fairytale. And you'd know this if you SIMPLY read those wiki articles. But I'm guessing your teacher at school told you this and you just took it as gospel. That is the most logical explanation for the discrepancy.

What you have written is garbage, pure and utter garbage, and you're not going to swindle anyone into believing it - further, you just look plain foolish in the process. P'tach et ha mo'ach shel'cha. Before it's too late.