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[Spreadbury]

Kids are a lot more innocent than you think. In a playground, kids would play together without any politics in mind. No racism, sexism, homophobia or any bullshit. lynt already covered what I wanted to say; just like with any problems such as racism, don't hang out with idiots and everything should be fine. Any member of the intelligentsia would understand that homosexuality is just a loaded word used for fear-mongering like anarchy, communism, ground zero mosque. My advice to the kid getting bullied, stop hanging around plebs

intelligent people can still be fear mongerors. and it's not like you can always just stop hanging around with them, if it were bullying wouldn't be a problem in schools. some people, especially the ones who would try and pick on children with homosexual parents, could go out of their way to make that child feel bad, isolated, or just bully them any way they can. and they may not bully them regarding their parents, but it could be the root cause of why they get bullied (e.g. they may insults them generally like 'you're stupid' but they only say it because their parents are homosexual)

this argument will go round in circles, but it's probable that a child with homosexual parents is more likely to be singled out and attacked than a person with straight parents.

[starbuckscoffee]

Kids are a lot more innocent than you think. In a playground, kids would play together without any politics in mind. No racism, sexism, homophobia or any bullshit. lynt already covered what I wanted to say; just like with any problems such as racism, don't hang out with idiots and everything should be fine. Any member of the intelligentsia would understand that homosexuality is just a loaded word used for fear-mongering like anarchy, communism, ground zero mosque. My advice to the kid getting bullied, stop hanging around plebs

intelligent people can still be fear mongerors. and it's not like you can always just stop hanging around with them, if it were bullying wouldn't be a problem in schools. some people, especially the ones who would try and pick on children with homosexual parents, could go out of their way to make that child feel bad, isolated, or just bully them any way they can. and they may not bully them regarding their parents, but it could be the root cause of why they get bullied (e.g. they may insults them generally like 'you're stupid' but they only say it because their parents are homosexual)

this argument will go round in circles, but it's probable that a child with homosexual parents is more likely to be singled out and attacked than a person with straight parents.

But kids get bullied for a lot of reasons which have nothing to do with homosexuality. Nevertheless, the likelihood a kids going to get bully is not a good enough reason to justify saying a couple shouldn't have kids  ......

[Spreadbury]

Kids are a lot more innocent than you think. In a playground, kids would play together without any politics in mind. No racism, sexism, homophobia or any bullshit. lynt already covered what I wanted to say; just like with any problems such as racism, don't hang out with idiots and everything should be fine. Any member of the intelligentsia would understand that homosexuality is just a loaded word used for fear-mongering like anarchy, communism, ground zero mosque. My advice to the kid getting bullied, stop hanging around plebs

intelligent people can still be fear mongerors. and it's not like you can always just stop hanging around with them, if it were bullying wouldn't be a problem in schools. some people, especially the ones who would try and pick on children with homosexual parents, could go out of their way to make that child feel bad, isolated, or just bully them any way they can. and they may not bully them regarding their parents, but it could be the root cause of why they get bullied (e.g. they may insults them generally like 'you're stupid' but they only say it because their parents are homosexual)

this argument will go round in circles, but it's probable that a child with homosexual parents is more likely to be singled out and attacked than a person with straight parents.

But kids get bullied for a lot of reasons which have nothing to do with homosexuality. Nevertheless, the likelihood a kids going to get bully is not a good enough reason to justify saying a couple shouldn't have kids  ......

my point plain and simple: kids ith homosexual parents are more likely to suffer some form of ridicule or bullying because society, still having homosexual values and often being quite cruel, will find a way to pick on nearly anything. until homosexuality is as normal as being straight, people could still be made fun of for being gay, or, having gay parents. not to say that a child will be bullied because of it, but it's easy to see how they COULD be bullied for it. is society totally accepting of gay marriage? hell no. so would it be accepting of homosexual adoption? hell no.

furthermore, part of being a parent would be considering the needs of your kids. say you were going to adopt a kid and knew that it could result in ridicule, say 50/50 chance, would you still do it? you wouldn't see that as just a little irresponsible?

[Cianyx]

You're right, intelligent people would use fear to assert control over dumber ones, I'll concede that one. Intelligent people would not be subjects of such irrational fears themselves.

Behaviourists has proven that each child is born with a tabula rasa. Hence, only through homophobic parents would they act homophobic themselves. Archaic laws are currently being forced out in an effort to appear "progressive" and much as I hate to admit this, people are becoming more liberal (urgh). In the next few lifetimes, it is likely no one would care about stuff like these any more.

"It is not only the most warlike peoples, the Boeotians, Spartans, and Cretans, who are the most susceptible to this kind of love but also the greatest heroes of old: Meleager, Achilles, Aristomenes, Cimon, and Epaminondas." - Philip II of Macedon

[minilunchbox]

Kids are a lot more innocent than you think. In a playground, kids would play together without any politics in mind. No racism, sexism, homophobia or any bullshit. lynt already covered what I wanted to say; just like with any problems such as racism, don't hang out with idiots and everything should be fine. Any member of the intelligentsia would understand that homosexuality is just a loaded word used for fear-mongering like anarchy, communism, ground zero mosque. My advice to the kid getting bullied, stop hanging around plebs

intelligent people can still be fear mongerors. and it's not like you can always just stop hanging around with them, if it were bullying wouldn't be a problem in schools. some people, especially the ones who would try and pick on children with homosexual parents, could go out of their way to make that child feel bad, isolated, or just bully them any way they can. and they may not bully them regarding their parents, but it could be the root cause of why they get bullied (e.g. they may insults them generally like 'you're stupid' but they only say it because their parents are homosexual)

this argument will go round in circles, but it's probable that a child with homosexual parents is more likely to be singled out and attacked than a person with straight parents.

But kids get bullied for a lot of reasons which have nothing to do with homosexuality. Nevertheless, the likelihood a kids going to get bully is not a good enough reason to justify saying a couple shouldn't have kids  ......

furthermore, part of being a parent would be considering the needs of your kids. say you were going to adopt a kid and knew that it could result in ridicule, say 50/50 chance, would you still do it? you wouldn't see that as just a little irresponsible?

So you'd rather have a poor kid have no family at all and live in an orphanage than have a loving family and parents?

[Spreadbury]

So you'd rather have a poor kid have no family at all and live in an orphanage than have a loving family and parents?

a very fair point. It wouldn't be good for them to be unhappy at an orphanage, but if they were bullied then would they be happy as happy as they could possibly be?

i'll bring up a point I mentioned earlier, perhaps only children who are able to understand the basics of adoption should be able to be adopted (which applies to both straight and homosexual couples)- but this could also backfire. Perhaps homosexual adoption should wait until homosexuality itself is more accepted? I don't think they would make bad parents by any means, but it could accidentally have the child exposed to unfair torment.

[Cianyx]

Putting it out there, we'd have to wait for a very long time. Put this in perspective, the abolishment of slavery wasn't a particularly popular idea either. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

[Spreadbury]

Putting it out there, we'd have to wait for a very long time. Put this in perspective, the abolishment of slavery wasn't a particularly popular idea either. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

our government probably won't act on gay marriage at all. not in its best interests.

[Cianyx]

Agreed. The government's demagogy rears its ugly head again

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Putting it out there, we'd have to wait for a very long time. Put this in perspective, the abolishment of slavery wasn't a particularly popular idea either. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

our government probably won't act on gay marriage at all. not in its best interests.

Why wouldn't it be?

[Cianyx]

I'm not answering on his behalf, but
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Australia#Public_opinion_polls

he breakdown of the poll suggested that support was strongest amongst women (68%), Labor voters (64%), Greens voters (82%), and those aged 16–24 (74%)

While not conclusive, this indicates that not enough people at the peak of their earning power are in favour of it. Most 16-24 year old's are working entry-level jobs or full-time students which isn't of much use to the government

[Spreadbury]

Why wouldn't it be?

well the whole voting system means that the government will generally only act to retain support from the people. It happened with abortion until they were forced to make laws about it, and we even saw it with the mining tax that had Kevin Rudd ousted from parliament. In theory, the voting which is meant to make the system more fair, actually makes our system less efficient

[enwiabe]

I'm fine with gay marriage but not with them having children.

Personally, I think many kids would get bullied (they shouldn't, but it's the harsh reality) if their parents were of the same sex. These kids should not suffer for a decision they had no part in making. I mean, their friends will have a mum and a dad and surely at some point will wonder what it is like to have a mother or a father.

This is ludicrous. If you have red hair, should you not have children for fear that your child will also be red-haired and teased a "ranga"? If you were Jewish at the height of the pogroms, was it wrong for those parents to have children who were Jewish? Because i can tell you, bullying back then was a lot worse than it was now (hint: maiming and killing).

Someone mentioned a 50/50 chance of being bullied. The actual figure of kids being bullied in school is a whopping 20%. Should nobody have kids because there's a 1 in 5 chance they'll be bullied at school? That is utterly absurd.

Just because bigots and assholes exist and do their retarded best to make life hard doesn't mean you just sit there and let them win. You try the best that you can to make the environment safe. As someone already mentioned, would you rather they be an orphan? Or with parents who never wanted them and/or don't love them?

I don't know if you've read the papers lately, but the foster care programs in Australia are riddled with child abuse. There are many people who do it simply to get the pay cheque and then neglect the children to try and 'profit' from the government. There are also some sick, sick people who do it so they can get a slave and either abuse them physically/emotionally and sometimes, horrendous as it is, sexually abuse them as well.

But no, I'm sure an orphan going to a homosexual family who has battled through some of the worst adversity imaginable to try and adopt a child because they want to give it their love IS FAR WORSE than neglect/no parents/sex abuse. In the end, by not having read into the issue in the slightest (as evidenced by your malformed opinion) you actually number as one of the ignorants (but I wish to clarify that I do not think that you are in any way a bigot, as your intentions are good, but are simply misguided) you so decry in your post who stigmatise homosexuals and prevent them from attaining the level of respect and decency that they so completely deserve.

What's actually happening is that denying homosexuals the right to adopt is depriving innocent children of an exit to the cycle of abuse in the foster care system. THAT'S what's actually hurting kids. Not some perceived threat of being bullied, but actually being abused in the system as it is, because there is a dearth of decent people either wanting to or allowed to adopt.

Finally, read any study about children from homosexual parents... the results mainly vary from children of homosexual couples having the exact same to a slightly higher quality of social/mental/educational development than those children of heterosexual couples.

[Spreadbury]

Someone mentioned a 50/50 chance of being bullied. The actual figure of kids being bullied in school is a whopping 20%. Should nobody have kids because there's a 1 in 5 chance they'll be bullied at school? That is utterly absurd.

that was a hypothetical situation, not a statistic. my apologies

[Kennybhoy]

I'm all for gay couples adopting kids but here's a good question:

Say if there's a kid up for adoption and you had a choice between the straight couple and the gay couple. They have the same "resume" and everything.

Whick would you prefer?