free laptops for muslim students [offtopic]

[Russ]

He's being semantic and going with the argument that we don't have a formal protection of freedom of speech

[Abdi]

The idea that everyone should be entitled to freedom of speech, freedom from persecution and tolerance.

just to point out; Australian's don't have freedom of speech per se

I'm free to stand in front of Parliament house and publicly denounce government policies without any fear of retaliation or retribution. I can write in to any newspaper, or create my own - without government censorship. I can run for office, or post a billboard in front of my house airing my political views. How is that not freedom of speech?

Compare this to Gaza where dissidents are murdered by Hamas for airing opposing views, or Iran (and the rest of the Muslim world) where writing against the government or in support of Israel will land you in Jail or worse!

Thats all the right to freedom of political speech, not speech in itself... learn your legal and history

[qshyrn]

Islamic text do not need to be changed bacause they fit into any situation at any time

actually it does nneed to be changed. many of the fucked up things inside it dont fit in todays day and age.

[Abdi]

Islamic text do not need to be changed bacause they fit into any situation at any time

actually it does nneed to be changed. many of the fucked up things inside it dont fit in todays day and age.

mind having some respect? geez....

[Russ]

Islamic text do not need to be changed bacause they fit into any situation at any time

actually it does nneed to be changed. many of the fucked up things inside it dont fit in todays day and age.

mind having some respect? geez....

Oh god, this can only end well

[Spreadbury]

you can say whatever you want about political matters, that is constitutionally protected. but freedom of speech in the same sense as the USA, South Africa and other countries is not constitutionally protected. (note, creating a strawman argument was not my intention)

but I do support your points chavi, particularly because the other side is still failing to counteract your arguments, and if anything their aim seems to be to oppress your viewpoint and nothing more. To the other side: note that Chavi is not picking on the religion he is picking on the supposed (which more than justifies Chavi's right to argue) HAI link to supporting terrorism.

whether or not Chavi's religion was giving out free laptop's in which case he wouldn't complain is irrelevant unless Chavi has a religion that supports terrorists.

[Chavi]

I'm free to stand in front of Parliament house and publicly denounce government policies without any fear of retaliation or retribution. I can write in to any newspaper, or create my own - without government censorship. I can run for office, or post a billboard in front of my house airing my political views. How is that not freedom of speech?

Compare this to Gaza where dissidents are murdered by Hamas for airing opposing views, or Iran (and the rest of the Muslim world) where writing against the government or in support of Israel will land you in Jail or worse!

Thats all the right to freedom of political speech, not speech in itself... learn your legal and history

[grammar]

Islamic text do not need to be changed bacause they fit into any situation at any time

actually it does nneed to be changed. many of the fucked up things inside it dont fit in todays day and age.

mind having some respect? geez....

LOL. This post wins the IRONY award. Given some of your hateful and vindictive comments on this thread, I'm sure you know all about respect. You probably know all about honour as well. Perhaps you might even kill to protect that honour and the honour of Islamic NGOs in Australia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

[Abdi]

Chavi, your ego is getting to your head. Its best if you just shut up, you may think you know oh so much when really you don't!


and you don't seem to really know what fuels muslim 'radicals'; its the idea of occupation!

[Duck]

Do you think HIA is a terrorist organisation? becuase they throw missiles and what not at Isreal? have you ever thought of what they do in retalliation? throw millions more?

Thank you for opening my eyes. Whereas previously I had convinced myself that noone in Australia would support terrorism I am now dreadfully concerned about Islamic extremism in Australia. You just inferred that the terrorism of Hamas is justified (I think, please work on your grammar and sentance structure.)

[Spreadbury]

Chavi, your ego is getting to your head. Its best if you just shut up, you may think you know oh so much when really you don't!


and you don't seem to really know what fuels muslim 'radicals'; its the idea of occupation!

if he doesn't know, which you claim he doesn't, you should explain what he should know (with evidence) relevant to this topic. right now you're just screaming that everyone's ignorant and doesn't understand

[Abdi]

so you guys are trying to steer away from the fact that you've introduced religion into by commenting on my grammer and sentence structure?

You've lost the argument, you couldn't maintain logic and became biased. Although you're trying to appeal to our Australian and western identity, you guys are tragically failing!

[Spreadbury]

*facepalm* don't say chavi and everyone else arguing rationally has lost. please, wade through your posts and explain what evidence you have given to substantiate... whatever it is you're saying (by the way... what the hell WAS your argument? that we should all stop making these claims?)

[Russ]

so you guys are trying to steer away from the fact that you've introduced religion into by commenting on my grammer and sentence structure?

You've lost the argument, you couldn't maintain logic and became biased. Although you're trying to appeal to our Australian and western identity, you guys are tragically failing!

It's true, I also usually lose arguments that involve me and a brick wall. So hard to convince that wall of anything...

[Russ]

At this point I'm just reading this thread for the hilarity value inherent in the posts of half the people here.

[qshyrn]

so you guys are trying to steer away from the fact that you've introduced religion into by commenting on my grammer and sentence structure?

get rid of  'into'