Mother of 5 to be hanged for insulting Muhammed

[ninwa]

So let me get this straight, was Asia Bibi (the mother of 5) even Muslim? The news article leads me to believe she wasn't.

I didn't see this, but good point Mao.

I believe she is Christian. Why, then, is she subject to Shariah law? This goes against everything you've been saying about voluntary submission to Shariah, Souljette.

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Offtopic but Ninwa you have the best sig ever.

[ninwa]

The phrase or the colouring book?
Thanks

[Souljette_93]

Now this is another classic example of how you, enwiabe, take my words out of context to fit it in how you desire. If you read what context that was in, it was a reply to ninwa on how I don't believe death punishment is so harsh on blasphemy, in the specific case of Prophet muhammed, that I believe that it is not harsh and not on the case of the mother.

proof? I'll quote it for you.

2)Yes. No doubt.

In that case, I don't understand why you have reacted so defensively in this thread. The outrage generated by the media is based upon the fact that something like blasphemy could warrant such a severe penalty. I believe the posters here (particularly Chavi, but he can confirm this when his ban expires) take issue with the fact that Shariah law not only has absolutely no respect for freedom of speech, but additionally imposes such a harsh punishment on something which is accepted as a basic human right in democratic countries like Australia. This is also why several people have reacted so negatively to the idea of implementing a separate Shariah-based legal system in Australia.

Because when I read the title of this thread, my blood was already boiling-thinking "Who has attacked one of my beloved?".
TBH-it's not a harsh punishment, tell me, what is the benefit of committing any blasphemy against any religion? What are you going to get out of it? Every Abrahamic faith has it's own laws against blasphemy and people may as well respect that.

And any, Chavi already doesn't know much about Islam except what the media has fed him, so either he chooses to ask the Islamic position by sincerely asking one of us, or continue to take from the media.

In any case, I find it funny how people would react to negatively towards "Shariah-based law" ( shouldn't even be called that anyhow) because it will only be concerning the Muslims, and even those Muslims who want to be ruled by it. And also in any case, it can't be applied here because you'd need to live under the Caliphate of Islam ( which doesn't exist anymore) or under a country which applies *some* laws of Shariah law. ( i.e.Saudi Arabia)

And if you read the first post I posted on this thread, you would have seen that I denounce the Killing of this woman, because I didn't see how she had "insulted" the prophet.

I have already acknowledged that the death penalty is HUGE.-please read my posts carefully.

And people, please stop taking my words out  of context, and putting them in what you think i'm saying.
I have already said my positions of free speech, which is free of hate speech, which is free of violence against religion beliefs,

And Mao-read my posts carefully, it's quite a shame that you are saying this.

When I said that, it was specifically to ninwa regarding shariah law being applied here in Australia.

[enwiabe]

My point still remains. How you could say death penalty is not harsh for anyone merely insulting somebody is callous and dehumanising, and redolent of 17 years of targeted brainwashing.

[Duck]

To souljette: Yeah I just read that and all I got out of it was that you think the death penalty is not a harsh punishment. Care to attempt to explain again, or are you too busy murdering and persecuting people of different faiths?

[Souljette_93]

My point still remains. How you could say death penalty is not harsh for anyone merely insulting somebody is callous and dehumanising, and redolent of 17 years of targeted brainwashing.

If she was insulting me, or my mum, or whatever, death penalty would be harsh in not extreme if not wrong. But she is not insulting just anybody, she is insulting the prophet.
And me saying it's not harsh is due to my own personal opinion, not necessarily my religion.

And to you, you might say "Who cares if she insults him?"-You take it so easy, either cause you don't care or you don't know the impact, but to me it is different. Very different.

Like you always do, ( I don't know whether it pleases you or what ) you always call me "brainwashed"-bear in mind i can do the same, call you that, but I won't.

@ DUCK-You are another example of a fella accusing me based on your false views, so I see no wisdom in replying to you. I have made myself clear, read my posts again, in the context it was in, in a proper approach, and then if you are still confused just send me a PM, and hopefully then you will get a better understanding

[Mao]

I don't think the wall of stubbornness will ever come down and she probably will never see our reasoning and belief. That is too bad for her.

But I do thank you Souljette, you have revealed your mindset to us, and now not only will we criticize, your responses have justified the reason we voice our criticisms.

If another mod agrees with me that this has gone too far, please lock

[enwiabe]

But who cares who she insults? Words do not deserve the death penalty. There is no logical argument for why that should be so. Only the morally abdicating "because god said so".

You think it gives me pleasure saying you're brainwashed? It pains me greatly that our youth is being so awfully subjugated by their elders. I say it to try and shake you out of it. Help you wake up and realise the lies you're being told.

But I have the sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach that you are now set in your views. Which is a shame. Nobody should ever be put to death for their views. If those views are hatespeech/incitement to commit crime etc. then those can be legally actioned. But not put to death. That is barbarism.

To give you an example: All my life, I have been confronted with my nana still struggling with the memories of her past, her years in the Holocaust, losing 90% of her family members in the space of 6 years. Despite the emotional distress it causes me, I would not even wish the death penalty upon someone saying that the holocaust is a hoax and that my grandmother is a liar for saying she was in the Holocaust. I would hate him, and I would feel anger towards him, but I would never want him killed. To do that would be to descend to barbarity and animalism. I would want him jailed for hatespeech, but not put to death.

Wanting to kill somebody over the words they speak betrays your insecurity about your religion, and far more shockingly, your flagrant disregard for human life. It is truly appalling and shocking that this is what Muslim youth are being taught, and perhaps goes a long way to explaining why Islamic culture is so at odds with Western culture and why so many problems are occurring ntegrating Islamic emigrants into Western society.

[Souljette_93]

What are your concerns Mao? And what is it exactly what I said that had upset you so much? me thinking death penalty is not harsh in the case of the prophet? Me believing my beliefs When I had told you that I respected yours? go on, tell me.

[Kotza]

Im not going to play Mr. Innocent as i have contributed to the hate and tension created in this topic, HOWEVER:

- What is a harsher penalty than death? Since it is in your opinion that death was not severe enough for unintentional, supposedly "offensive" words coming out of an innocent woman's mouth, what would you sentence her to? Don't forget who started the quarrel in the first place, this woman was labelled as "dirty" by those she was providing water to... she being a "Christian ... had contaminated it." It was not as if she was running through the street yelling out blasphemy.

- I have never met an 18 year old Australian individual who has held the belief that an innocent mother receiving the death penalty does not meet the criteria of a 'harsh' sentence.

- "Like you always do, ( I don't know whether it pleases you or what ) you always call me "brainwashed"-bear in mind i can do the same, call you that, but I won't. " I would rather be brainwashed into being a kind, moral individual which values life than one which wishes death upon those who reject a prophet.

 

[Mao]

What are your concerns Mao? And what is it exactly what I said that had upset you so much? me thinking death penalty is not harsh in the case of the prophet? Me believing my beliefs When I had told you that I respected yours? go on, tell me.

Haha, I'm not upset. Frustrated at your lack of rational thinking, yes.

I want you to acknowledge that I can say whatever I want about Allah and whatever else, be it criticism or outright hatred, and there is nothing wrong with me saying it. THAT, is my belief. Until you can accept free speech in its entirety, you do not have my respect.


Anyways, a religion centered around unconditional love for a prophet who orders his people to kill anyone who speaks against him, yet at the same time appear to preach harmony, and wanting respect from the rest of the world? I wouldn't warrant that even if I was blind drunk.

[Souljette_93]

The Sentence of death of anyone speaking against the prophet Is agreed within the scholars of Islam. This ofcourse, comes in with laws and restrictions in itself. For one, you cannot hold the law into your own hands-it must be done under the courts. Now these courts, are the Sharia courts, where the Caliphate is established. however, if you live under governments that apply some of the Sharia, which is wrong and should be implemented correctly from the true essence of the faith, it can also be done.

Only certain cases is where the death penalty is applied. for example, in your case-killing someone just because they deny the holocaust is utterly wrong, you cannot just make up rules and say "We want the death penalty on that and this". Already the cases for death penalty are set, such as murder, rape, and what not. And that's not even describing the process of these things..It is religion that sets these, they cannot be changed. Now, you don't believe in religion and you do not want them applied to you, fair enough, live somewhere they are not applied. (which you are).

You do not know how much we preserve the human life. We are taught the value of life, and the importance of living in harmony and so on. Going on saying I have "disregard for life" is just another accusation against me. When did I ever say I wanted to kill anybody? That means that anyone from across the whole of the Abrahamic faiths who believe in the death penalty has "disregard for life"-by your logic.

I come from a religious view, you may not, but that doesn't mean that you're right. ( And you yourself, may not believe that what i am saying is right either) and so it goes on.

But who cares who she insults? Words do not deserve the death penalty. There is no logical argument for why that should be so. Only the morally abdicating "because god said so".

You think it gives me pleasure saying you're brainwashed? It pains me greatly that our youth is being so awfully subjugated by their elders. I say it to try and shake you out of it. Help you wake up and realise the lies you're being told.

But I have the sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach that you are now set in your views. Which is a shame. Nobody should ever be put to death for their views. If those views are hatespeech/incitement to commit crime etc. then those can be legally actioned. But not put to death. That is barbarism.

To give you an example: All my life, I have been confronted with my nana still struggling with the memories of her past, her years in the Holocaust, losing 90% of her family members in the space of 6 years. Despite the emotional distress it causes me, I would not even wish the death penalty upon someone saying that the holocaust is a hoax and that my grandmother is a liar for saying she was in the Holocaust. I would hate him, and I would feel anger towards him, but I would never want him killed. To do that would be to descend to barbarity and animalism. I would want him jailed for hatespeech, but not put to death.

Wanting to kill somebody over the words they speak betrays your insecurity about your religion, and far more shockingly, your flagrant disregard for human life. It is truly appalling and shocking that this is what Muslim youth are being taught, and perhaps goes a long way to explaining why Islamic culture is so at odds with Western culture and why so many problems are occurring ntegrating Islamic emigrants into Western society.

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The phrase or the colouring book?
Thanks

Both haha.

@Souljette

So insulting a prophet warrants a death penalty?

You believe those men who said the water was contaminated should be killed too?


Edit: Rational argument is not working. I'm just gonna say it: having 5 children orphaned because someone VOICED THEIR OPINION on someone else is F*CKING STUPID no matter the context, and anyone who disagrees has some serious problems.

[Duck]

I come from a religious view, you may not

I don't have a problem with your religious view (actually I do have a huge problem with the death penalty for such a crime but I digress), I have a problem with the way you force your religious view onto her. She doesn't follow your religion so why should she be punished according to it?