Mother of 5 to be hanged for insulting Muhammed

[superstar1]

i want u to see this and tell me again about countries with the worst human rights
http://www.faqs.org/shareranks/836,TOP-ABUSERS-OF-HUMAN-RIGHTS-BY-COUNTRY

and

http://www.wehaitians.com/the%2010%20worst%20countries%20in%20the%20world.html

i dont see no difference

[Chavi]

The first link you've provided is a user-made list. Nevertheless, Iran, a Muslim state is listed as the worst offender, and there are 4 Muslim countries in the top 10.
In the second list, there are 5 Muslim countries in the top 10 worst offenders.

You basically confirmed my point.

[superstar1]

but then again they were in fact third world countrues however if you continued looking down to the top 80 u will soon see Australia and united states there too. how is it possible that Australia such a great country and opne of the most developed countries out of 195 countries in the whole world comes out to be 60th or whatever it is on the worst countries and btw. the other one i gave was from 2001 so my mistake but u stiil saw that north korea was the worst.

[sam99]

Religion is never to blame for the inadequacies of the people who 'supposedly' follow them. It is almost impossible these days to define Islam without using the actions of headline grabbing Muslims as support. Islam is very different from what people have portrayed it as. At the time of the Prophet- Mecca was a business center and Jews, Christians and Pagans were living together in the same city. In fact even after Islam spread in Mecca and Medina, the Jews were given refuge in these cities. The rules of engagement in war was laid down even at that time and funnily enough chopping trees, harming wildlife, was strictly banned, in actual war hurting women, children and older men was banned as well. Where are those rules now? NO country- Muslim or non-Muslim has ever brought this into the limelight... Human rights and the rights of non-Muslims are to be strictly observed by Muslims....but sadly that never has been the case. Today Saudia Arabia for all the charity it provides to the poor can be credited- and yet royalty in Islam is NOT allowed! Therefore in reality there is No country that is really Muslim and the majority of Muslims are as far away from Islam than they think.

The same can be said for Christianity. Today the Church is under attack from within- the morality of the priests caught in evil acts has hurt the Church immeasurably. The truth is that the teaching of Jesus has nothing to do with the way priests act. To blame Christianity for a handful of evil doers is wrong. There are many who have spend their lives caring for the dispossessed in society and many who help those in need. The teachings of God should never be measured by those that purport to be the 'followers'.
What has happened in Pakistan is simple- it is a country that is at war with itself and it has a thoroughly corrupt government. Which is bad but then which country doesn't?

Anyway, I would hesitate to lay the blame on Islam, Christianity or Judaism just because the followers of these religions decide to be come immoral. No religion instructs Man to do wrong, it is Man's free will. For the Muslims, it is clear that because we are Muslims- we are told that the punishment for doing wrong is greater for us than for the non-Muslims- since we should have known better.

[Chavi]

"Islam is certainly a strong contender for the supplying of the basic framework of the one religion of the future."

One religion of the future? What happens to the other ones?

[superstar1]

hey thats the book and if u want to argue i have nothing to say except "GO TO THE AUTHOr"

[superstar1]

hey thats the book and if u want to argue i have nothing to say except "GO TO THE AUTHOr"

and btw i agree with wat sam99 says just because some muslims are not wat they are meant to be u cannot bblame the religion.

[Chavi]

Religion is never to blame for the inadequacies of the people who 'supposedly' follow them. It is almost impossible these days to define Islam without using the actions of headline grabbing Muslims as support. Islam is very different from what people have portrayed it as. At the time of the Prophet- Mecca was a business center and Jews, Christians and Pagans were living together in the same city. In fact even after Islam spread in Mecca and Medina, the Jews were given refuge in these cities. The rules of engagement in war was laid down even at that time and funnily enough chopping trees, harming wildlife, was strictly banned, in actual war hurting women, children and older men was banned as well. Where are those rules now? NO country- Muslim or non-Muslim has ever brought this into the limelight... Human rights and the rights of non-Muslims are to be strictly observed by Muslims....but sadly that never has been the case. Today Saudia Arabia for all the charity it provides to the poor can be credited- and yet royalty in Islam is NOT allowed! Therefore in reality there is No country that is really Muslim and the majority of Muslims are as far away from Islam than they think.

Ok. Interesting point. But what is religion but an interpretation of laws and moral codes by man?
You say that Islam is not responsible for any of the crimes committed by Muslims. The only explanation to reconcile this with the violence emanating from the Arab world today - is that the fanatical minority that murders in the name of allah have a different interpretation of Islam to you.

[superstar1]

hey CHAVi could i ask u what religious beleifs u have?

[Chavi]

but then again they were in fact third world countrues however if you continued looking down to the top 80 u will soon see Australia and united states there too. how is it possible that Australia such a great country and opne of the most developed countries out of 195 countries in the whole world comes out to be 60th or whatever it is on the worst countries and btw. the other one i gave was from 2001 so my mistake but u stiil saw that north korea was the worst.

Australia is certainly not exempt from my criticism, and any glaring human rights violations that the Aussie government perpetrate should be publicized.
Perhaps if you could provide us with a more objective list that ranks countries we could look at the data and compare.

Nevertheless, we have freedom of speech and religion here. If I lived in the West bank, I would be arrested for the comments that I make on this forum:
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/12/05/west-bank-free-suspected-blogger

[Chavi]

Anyway, I would hesitate to lay the blame on Islam, Christianity or Judaism just because the followers of these religions decide to be come immoral. No religion instructs Man to do wrong, it is Man's free will. For the Muslims, it is clear that because we are Muslims- we are told that the punishment for doing wrong is greater for us than for the non-Muslims- since we should have known better.

So why is discrimination so entrenched and legitimised in the Muslim world?

[Chavi]

hey thats the book and if u want to argue i have nothing to say except "GO TO THE AUTHOr"

You quote a book to substantiate your claims, and then when I ask for clarification, you back away from your point, and shift the blame onto the author.

[superstar1]

there is no point arguing with u. this is the author of the book:  W. Montgomery Watt, clearly u can see that he is not a muslim and if u are so ignorant, arrogant and blinded to lay arguments on the basis of such a minority of muslim countries then i have nothin to say to u except that u should open your mind and broaden ur knowledge. look into the religion of islam then u will realise that islam is a religion of peace and its nbame is derived from the word which in english means peace. so if u blame all muslims for something that minority do then u are clearlly wrong because the actions of one dont determine that it is the actions od the whole. i want u to look into islam ok then come back and u will see the divinity of this religion.

[Chavi]

i want u to look into islam ok then come back and u will see the divinity of this religion.

this is why there is no point arguing

[fady_22]

This further shows the hateful and intolerant behaviour that Islam influences: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101101/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq