UoM General Chat

[Rod]

Once a masochist, always a masochist.

As for the MD interview, pretty much every chancellor was able to successfully pass the interview (even though they felt as if they screwed up) and receive their first clinical zone preference. You're not competing against the GEMSAS pool so as long as you articulate your reasoning, and talk about your own experiences for the personal stations, you should have no problem. Apparently only one chancellor did not pass for our intake.

Because you'll be doing the MMI with older applicants they do expect you to show more maturity and what not. Just don't say anything really controversial or outrageous (eg going on a diatribe against vaccinations, that's how controversial you would have to be)

There is literally 0 chemistry involved. There are reviews on the subject.

Yup i just read all five of them!!! No chemistry makes the subject even better .

[Stick]

Once a masochist, always a masochist.

As for the MD interview, pretty much every chancellor was able to successfully pass the interview (even though they felt as if they screwed up) and receive their first clinical zone preference. You're not competing against the GEMSAS pool so as long as you articulate your reasoning, and talk about your own experiences for the personal stations, you should have no problem. Apparently only one chancellor did not pass for our intake.

Because you'll be doing the MMI with older applicants they do expect you to show more maturity and what not. Just don't say anything really controversial or outrageous (eg going on a diatribe against vaccinations, that's how controversial you would have to be)

I'm not sure how much you know and I can't say too much myself, but I'll just say that this is no longer entirely accurate. PM me if you really need to know more information.

[Shenz0r]

I'm not sure how much you know and I can't say too much myself, but I'll just say that this is no longer entirely accurate. PM me if you really need to know more information.

This year the school initially said that the clinical zones for chancellors would be randomised, but they ended up just going back to their original protocol. Possible that for your intake it could be changed for good (especially if you were told that clinical zones wern't guaranteed as part of your chancellors offer)

[sjayne]

Yup i just read all five of them!!! No chemistry makes the subject even better .

come and learn about drugs with me 

[Rod]

Hey everyone, was wondering if I could please get some feedback on my subject selections. So just some background I want to do either HSF, physiology or neuroscience. After I finish my degree I want to get into a health science post grad - preferably physiotherapy.

Here are my subjects, I've basically done a shit load of research for each of these subecjts (apart from my breadths) - and these are the subjects I'm most interested in and think will most help me for my majors/post grad courses.

Semester 1:

*ANAT20006 – Principles of Human Structure
*PHYS20008 – Human Physiology
*PHARM20001 – Pharmacology: How drugs work
*MUSI20149 – Music Psychology – (Not too sure about this yet)

Semester 2:
*BCMB2002 – Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
*PHYS20009 – Research-Based Physiology
*PATH20001 - Exploring human disease
*Breadth – not sure ☹

Some feedback about my plan would be great. I think I’ve met all the pre-reqs for physiotherapy and any other health science post-grad, and I think my combination is pretty nice. Would you agree? And is there anything I should look out for or missing anything I should have? Any better replacements? And stuck on my breadth subjects.

Has anyone done;
- Music psychology
- Sports in the media
- Deafness and communication

Thank you so much

[Rod]

come and learn about drugs with me 

I'm in!!! See you next sem xD! I read through all the reviews + subject outlines and the subject got me so excited! Looks so interesting and fun, especially the application stuff how we have to kind of ''play doctor'' and figure out the drugs/pathways needed to sort out things.

[slothpomba]

Hey guys quick question;

Pharmacology: How drugs work - some people have told me that for this subject there is a ''fair bit of chemistry involved'', but I've done a fair bit of research and it doesn't look as if there is much chemistry. Mostly rote learning and application. Has anyone done this subject and could please tell me how the content is like? I don't want to do something with too much chemistry. ----- And i've read the course design doesn't it kind of overlap with physiology? Like with all the application stuff and pathway stuff?

The subject looks amazing!

Thank you!!!

Not from UoM but i assume its similar everywhere.

At Monash basically zero chemistry. It's much much closer to physiology and biology when taught at an undergraduate level. If you decide to follow it beyond this, more chemistry tends to creep in but otherwise, no.

Occasionally, i'm talking a single lecture or two, may involves some very basic chemistry. Things like reaction kinetics (first order, second order, etc). However, you dont need to know why this works or how, you just need to know what happens (i.e. first order chemicals/drugs/reactions proceed at X rate...). Likewise, occasionally ideas of acids and bases pop in but again, this is something you can basically totally memorise without needing to understand.

However, its 99% the cousin of biology and more specifically physiology. In a lot of ways, pharmacology as taught in undergrad, is the poor mans physiology. Most lectures will give you an overview of the physiology of a system but it will be far more shallow than a physiology unit. Coupled with this you learn how the drugs and various treatment options act on this physiology.

I assume you will also get several weeks or perhaps even an entire unit on pharmacological concepts like dose-response relationships, toxicology, reaction kinetics, administration/metabolism/excretion/etc....

I'm not sure at UoM but Monash has innovated in the fact it also has a unit on industry (drug development life cycle, law, clinical trials, ethics and so on). Pharmacology is definitely more than the poor mans physiology but if its not taught appropriately, that's basically what you'll get for most lectures.

[Rod]

Not from UoM but i assume its similar everywhere.

At Monash basically zero chemistry. It's much much closer to physiology and biology when taught at an undergraduate level. If you decide to follow it beyond this, more chemistry tends to creep in but otherwise, no.

Occasionally, i'm talking a single lecture or two, may involves some very basic chemistry. Things like reaction kinetics (first order, second order, etc). However, you dont need to know why this works or how, you just need to know what happens (i.e. first order chemicals/drugs/reactions proceed at X rate...). Likewise, occasionally ideas of acids and bases pop in but again, this is something you can basically totally memorise without needing to understand.

However, its 99% the cousin of biology and more specifically physiology. In a lot of ways, pharmacology as taught in undergrad, is the poor mans physiology. Most lectures will give you an overview of the physiology of a system but it will be far more shallow than a physiology unit. Coupled with this you learn how the drugs and various treatment options act on this physiology.

I assume you will also get several weeks or perhaps even an entire unit on pharmacological concepts like dose-response relationships, toxicology, reaction kinetics, administration/metabolism/excretion/etc....

I'm not sure at UoM but Monash has innovated in the fact it also has a unit on industry (drug development life cycle, law, clinical trials, ethics and so on). Pharmacology is definitely more than the poor mans physiology but if its not taught appropriately, that's basically what you'll get for most lectures.

Thank you very much, I've put it in for next semester and will be doing it . It looks great!

[brightsky]

Hey guys quick question;

Pharmacology: How drugs work - some people have told me that for this subject there is a ''fair bit of chemistry involved'', but I've done a fair bit of research and it doesn't look as if there is much chemistry. Mostly rote learning and application. Has anyone done this subject and could please tell me how the content is like? I don't want to do something with too much chemistry. ----- And i've read the course design doesn't it kind of overlap with physiology? Like with all the application stuff and pathway stuff?

The subject looks amazing!

Thank you!!!

Hey Rod, you are absolutely right in saying that PHRM20001 is absolutely amazing! There is little chemistry involved. The only chemistry that you need to know is that acidic drugs are predominantly uncharged in low pH and basic drugs are predominantly uncharged in high pH. I'd say that there is quite a bit of overlap between physiology and PHRM20001, which is a good thing if you are doing the two subjects in the same semester. In PHRM20001, you will cover drugs used to treat hypertension, and this aspect of the course will make a lot more sense if you've covered the physiology behind regulation of blood pressure. Overall, highly recommend that you give PHRM20001 a crack. Very well coordinated and the content is genuinely interesting.

[heart]

I would like to add that I found pharm very boring (probably given I like chem a lot) but it is quite easy in regards what you need to know . I highly recommend the third year lab pharm subject; it is one of the easiest and realaxing third year subjects you can do but indeed boring.

[vox nihili]

Third year pharm does have a chem component. Because PHRM30008 is also a core subject in the chemistry major (medicinal chemistry) they devote three lectures to medicinal chem. The chem is pretty light on, mainly biochem actually (protein-protein interactions etc)

[Stick]

This year the school initially said that the clinical zones for chancellors would be randomised, but they ended up just going back to their original protocol. Possible that for your intake it could be changed for good (especially if you were told that clinical zones wern't guaranteed as part of your chancellors offer)

Yeah, it looks like we'll have the new system for our cohort. :/

Hey everyone, was wondering if I could please get some feedback on my subject selections. So just some background I want to do either HSF, physiology or neuroscience. After I finish my degree I want to get into a health science post grad - preferably physiotherapy.

Here are my subjects, I've basically done a shit load of research for each of these subecjts (apart from my breadths) - and these are the subjects I'm most interested in and think will most help me for my majors/post grad courses.

Semester 1:

*ANAT20006 – Principles of Human Structure
*PHYS20008 – Human Physiology
*PHARM20001 – Pharmacology: How drugs work
*MUSI20149 – Music Psychology – (Not too sure about this yet)

Semester 2:
*BCMB2002 – Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
*PHYS20009 – Research-Based Physiology
*PATH20001 - Exploring human disease
*Breadth – not sure ☹

Some feedback about my plan would be great. I think I’ve met all the pre-reqs for physiotherapy and any other health science post-grad, and I think my combination is pretty nice. Would you agree? And is there anything I should look out for or missing anything I should have? Any better replacements? And stuck on my breadth subjects.

Has anyone done;
- Music psychology
- Sports in the media
- Deafness and communication

Thank you so much

The biggest problem in your plan is that you've put PHRM20001 in semester 1, when it's only available in semester 2. You might have to go back to the drawing board.

[Rod]

Yeah, it looks like we'll have the new system for our cohort. :/

The biggest problem in your plan is that you've put PHRM20001 in semester 1, when it's only available in semester 2. You might have to go back to the drawing board.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! How did I miss that!! Urgh hahahahaha!

Hey Rod, you are absolutely right in saying that PHRM20001 is absolutely amazing! There is little chemistry involved. The only chemistry that you need to know is that acidic drugs are predominantly uncharged in low pH and basic drugs are predominantly uncharged in high pH. I'd say that there is quite a bit of overlap between physiology and PHRM20001, which is a good thing if you are doing the two subjects in the same semester. In PHRM20001, you will cover drugs used to treat hypertension, and this aspect of the course will make a lot more sense if you've covered the physiology behind regulation of blood pressure. Overall, highly recommend that you give PHRM20001 a crack. Very well coordinated and the content is genuinely interesting.

Thank you brightsky!

[heart]

If I'm not mistaken the MD application process is undergoing a change for next year; my hunch is application limited to Melbourne Uni students only.

[Rod]

Yeah, it looks like we'll have the new system for our cohort. :/

The biggest problem in your plan is that you've put PHRM20001 in semester 1, when it's only available in semester 2. You might have to go back to the drawing board.

Do you have any ideas on what I can do?

The only way to do these subjects is to do anatomy, physiology and biochem in sem 1 I think.

Or should I just ditch one of pathology or pharmacology and do immunology/cell biology or something??

Some feedback appreciated. And how is the rest of my plan? If you wouldnt mind giving me u opinion