Medentry vs UMAT

[Ravit]

To the guys who invested their time and money on the medentry program, did you think it was worthwhile in terms of the
results and preparation? Just wanted some views because im unsure whether or not to buy it? Any opinions?

[Jdog]

before the storm of people come on here claiming they didn't need it..

i did it, didn't do as well I as wanted to/should have BUT i tthink that any help that can be provided for the umat is worthwhile

[Ravit]

before the storm of people come on here claiming they didn't need it..

i did it, didn't do as well I as wanted to/should have BUT i tthink that any help that can be provided for the umat is worthwhile

jdog but the difficulty of the questions on the medentry drills are they similiar to what you get on the UMAT exam (i never seen a UMAT exam... yet)

[nacho]

before the storm of people come on here claiming they didn't need it..

i did it, didn't do as well I as wanted to/should have BUT i tthink that any help that can be provided for the umat is worthwhile

jdog but the difficulty of the questions on the medentry drills are they similiar to what you get on the UMAT exam (i never seen a UMAT exam... yet)

s3 is definitely harder for medentry - which is good

[Ravit]

before the storm of people come on here claiming they didn't need it..

i did it, didn't do as well I as wanted to/should have BUT i tthink that any help that can be provided for the umat is worthwhile

jdog but the difficulty of the questions on the medentry drills are they similiar to what you get on the UMAT exam (i never seen a UMAT exam... yet)

s3 is definitely harder for medentry - which is good

so did you finish all the drills and papers before the UMAT?

[jane1234]

I didn't do it, and didn't do as well as I'd hoped either.

That saying, I got a few practice questions for S3 and ended up gaining an extra 20% in the second practice exam + doing it in less time after I had done on the first. Had I not done those S3 drills, I'm guessing my score probably would have been in the low-mid 80s instead of 92.

I'm also thinking that doing S1 practice would have helped too, which might have pushed me above the cutoff ...although there's no way of telling...

Point is, I agree with JDog in that any UMAT prep is helpful. I personally wouldn't fork out for the full medentry course, but scab whatever practice stuff you can find and/or do those old mensa problems.

[Ravit]

thanks Jane... but getting 92 means you done very well

[pi]

Medentry:

S1 - can't really speak for it, didn't do much S1 practice (came through in my performance I guess)
S2 - completely different to UMAT, much easier and less ambiguous than the real thing
S3 - good, bit harder than real UMAT if anything

[funkyducky]

I think you need to evaluate yourself - if there's no chance in hell of you getting over 85%ile minimum for UMAT, then think seriously about whether you can get in, and whether you WANT to get into Med. If you are serious enough about it to try anyway, and go interstate if you're score is below Monash's benchmark, then it's probably worth it to invest in MedEntry. (of course, doesn't apply to those taking UMAT for other courses) For those who think they'd be hovering in the low 90%iles, then yeah, taking medentry or some other course could make all the difference between an interview and no interview. On the other hand, if you're 100% sure you'll get over, say, 98%ile, then it may not be worth your time, although be warned - don't overestimate your capabilities.
I know it's hard to gauge what kind of score you'll get without taking a practice UMAT, but if you can get hold of free material, then try and find out how good you are before investing in a course.

[Ravit]

sounds good thanks all

[D27RII]

I think you need to evaluate yourself - if there's no chance in hell of you getting over 85%ile minimum for UMAT, then think seriously about whether you can get in, and whether you WANT to get into Med. If you are serious enough about it to try anyway, and go interstate if you're score is below Monash's benchmark, then it's probably worth it to invest in MedEntry. (of course, doesn't apply to those taking UMAT for other courses) For those who think they'd be hovering in the low 90%iles, then yeah, taking medentry or some other course could make all the difference between an interview and no interview. On the other hand, if you're 100% sure you'll get over, say, 98%ile, then it may not be worth your time, although be warned - don't overestimate your capabilities.
I know it's hard to gauge what kind of score you'll get without taking a practice UMAT, but if you can get hold of free material, then try and find out how good you are before investing in a course.

not too sure about that funkyducky.... I am no way sure how someone would know what UMAT score they will get... it is indeed very difficult to gauge whether you are going to be at all any good at the UMAT let alone exactly what decapercentile range you will get in...

In response to the thread Ravti - my answer is simply YES
I did not think it helped me too much - but hey at the very least it gives you invaluable confidence in sitting the real UMAT

their practice exams are GOLD - I strongly recommend doing all 10 of them

S1 drills = utter trash, most of them are so much harder than the real UMAT that the real UMAT's questions are way too different anyway and you are wasting your time trying to learn medentry's unorthodox logic patterns - that being said, do a few to get an idea, and you will defiitely need waaaayyyy more than 20 minutes to do them

S2 drills = once again not very good, Medentry's S2 is pretty bad in the sense that it in fact is simply a reading comprehension test. In the UMAT, the questions are actually written by a panel of judges, whilst in mednetry they are written by former students.... so you can understand the difference in quality - the questions in the real UMAT are much different

S3 drills = GOLD!!!!! if you are weak with S3, then hell yeah go pay your $700 and laze away at the computer cos having access to 100's of S3 questions is the best and most sure-fired gauranteed method of improving in this section

overall I recommend it, but you will be dissapointed about a few things here and there - in addition to that, not everything in medentry is reminiscent of the real UMAT so be prepared - being "harder" than the real UMAT is not actually a good thing - cos their S1 questions are quite simply ridiculous and simply unreflective of the UMAT (but the questions in the exams are fine though, jus the drills suck)

[paulsterio]

S1 drills = utter trash, most of them are so much harder than the real UMAT that the real UMAT's questions are way too different anyway and you are wasting your time trying to learn medentry's unorthodox logic patterns - that being said, do a few to get an idea, and you will defiitely need waaaayyyy more than 20 minutes to do them

S2 drills = once again not very good, Medentry's S2 is pretty bad in the sense that it in fact is simply a reading comprehension test. In the UMAT, the questions are actually written by a panel of judges, whilst in mednetry they are written by former students.... so you can understand the difference in quality - the questions in the real UMAT are much different

S3 drills = GOLD!!!!! if you are weak with S3, then hell yeah go pay your $700 and laze away at the computer cos having access to 100's of S3 questions is the best and most sure-fired gauranteed method of improving in this section

I personally thought that the section 1 drills were alright, but yeah they're harder than what you encounter on the UMAT and usually you'll end up needing around 30 mins to do them, no way you can do them in 20 minutes

But Section 3 is gold, it's the easiest and most trainable section, if you do a lot you'll do well on the real UMAT

[Ravit]

I think you need to evaluate yourself - if there's no chance in hell of you getting over 85%ile minimum for UMAT, then think seriously about whether you can get in, and whether you WANT to get into Med. If you are serious enough about it to try anyway, and go interstate if you're score is below Monash's benchmark, then it's probably worth it to invest in MedEntry. (of course, doesn't apply to those taking UMAT for other courses) For those who think they'd be hovering in the low 90%iles, then yeah, taking medentry or some other course could make all the difference between an interview and no interview. On the other hand, if you're 100% sure you'll get over, say, 98%ile, then it may not be worth your time, although be warned - don't overestimate your capabilities.
I know it's hard to gauge what kind of score you'll get without taking a practice UMAT, but if you can get hold of free material, then try and find out how good you are before investing in a course.

not too sure about that funkyducky.... I am no way sure how someone would know what UMAT score they will get... it is indeed very difficult to gauge whether you are going to be at all any good at the UMAT let alone exactly what decapercentile range you will get in...

In response to the thread Ravti - my answer is simply YES
I did not think it helped me too much - but hey at the very least it gives you invaluable confidence in sitting the real UMAT

their practice exams are GOLD - I strongly recommend doing all 10 of them

S1 drills = utter trash, most of them are so much harder than the real UMAT that the real UMAT's questions are way too different anyway and you are wasting your time trying to learn medentry's unorthodox logic patterns - that being said, do a few to get an idea, and you will defiitely need waaaayyyy more than 20 minutes to do them

S2 drills = once again not very good, Medentry's S2 is pretty bad in the sense that it in fact is simply a reading comprehension test. In the UMAT, the questions are actually written by a panel of judges, whilst in mednetry they are written by former students.... so you can understand the difference in quality - the questions in the real UMAT are much different

S3 drills = GOLD!!!!! if you are weak with S3, then hell yeah go pay your $700 and laze away at the computer cos having access to 100's of S3 questions is the best and most sure-fired gauranteed method of improving in this section

overall I recommend it, but you will be dissapointed about a few things here and there - in addition to that, not everything in medentry is reminiscent of the real UMAT so be prepared - being "harder" than the real UMAT is not actually a good thing - cos their S1 questions are quite simply ridiculous and simply unreflective of the UMAT (but the questions in the exams are fine though, jus the drills suck)

S1 drills = utter trash, most of them are so much harder than the real UMAT that the real UMAT's questions are way too different anyway and you are wasting your time trying to learn medentry's unorthodox logic patterns - that being said, do a few to get an idea, and you will defiitely need waaaayyyy more than 20 minutes to do them

S2 drills = once again not very good, Medentry's S2 is pretty bad in the sense that it in fact is simply a reading comprehension test. In the UMAT, the questions are actually written by a panel of judges, whilst in mednetry they are written by former students.... so you can understand the difference in quality - the questions in the real UMAT are much different

S3 drills = GOLD!!!!! if you are weak with S3, then hell yeah go pay your $700 and laze away at the computer cos having access to 100's of S3 questions is the best and most sure-fired gauranteed method of improving in this section

I personally thought that the section 1 drills were alright, but yeah they're harder than what you encounter on the UMAT and usually you'll end up needing around 30 mins to do them, no way you can do them in 20 minutes

But Section 3 is gold, it's the easiest and most trainable section, if you do a lot you'll do well on the real UMAT

yes very true the section 1 drillls are considerably hard, whilst i was doing the questions i wasnt doing very well and i thought
getting a good score in the UMAT would be very very difficult, but yeah thanks for the comparisions you guys made with the UMAT and medentry questions... really helped reassure myself.
Btw what is the minimum to maximum number of UMATs you guys think should be done to acheive a high score?

[D27RII]

woah - minimum to maximum number of UMATs? What do you mean?

I really only think people need to sit the UMAT once - but if they do not get a good enough score, should consider trying again, but that does not always mean their scores should improve

[Ravit]

sorry that was my bad wording... i meant practice exams ?