Specialist Math scaling

[Zebra]

okay, I don't do spesh, but am concerned (as most non-speshers probably are)
does this mean spesh will once again scale up to 54-55?

if so, then the aggregate vs atar table will be fucked,

how come?

[Natters]

i'd also love to know how they just "forgot" to factor in the yr11's, i mean surely it was deliberate with some outdated reasoning?
and @ zebra im pretty sure i know what he means but i dare not explain it cause im not reliable =p

[Zebra]

i'd also love to know how they just "forgot" to factor in the yr11's, i mean surely it was deliberate with some outdated reasoning?
and @ zebra im pretty sure i know what he means but i dare not explain it cause im not reliable =p

is  he referring to the year when 99.95 was over 210? (which meant that you had to take spesh)

[Jdog]

i'd also love to know how they just "forgot" to factor in the yr11's, i mean surely it was deliberate with some outdated reasoning?
and @ zebra im pretty sure i know what he means but i dare not explain it cause im not reliable =p

is  he referring to the year when 99.95 was over 210? (which meant that you had to take spesh)

and the aggregates needed for other atars will be higher.

a lot of the high end scores are made up of people who do spesh.

[Zebra]

i'd also love to know how they just "forgot" to factor in the yr11's, i mean surely it was deliberate with some outdated reasoning?
and @ zebra im pretty sure i know what he means but i dare not explain it cause im not reliable =p

is  he referring to the year when 99.95 was over 210? (which meant that you had to take spesh)

and the aggregates needed for other atars will be higher.

a lot of the high end scores are made up of people who do spesh.

So are you saying that this new scaling system will benefit the spesh students? Isn't the whole point of scaling to make the system fair? (I'm asking coz I actually don't understand where you are coming from)

[Jdog]

im just sulking over the fact that I will have to get a higher aggregate to get the same atar score now.

[vea]

This benefits spesh students and will increase the aggregates required for certain ATARs, especially at the higher end. It is making the system "fair" for those who are doing spesh and sort of helps us in overtaking the aggregates of those who do not do spesh.

[b^3]

Think of it this way, is has been unfair for those who took spesh in the last couple of years as it didn't scale by as much as it should have been scaling by. They are correcting it to make it fair.

[Zebra]

Think of it this way, is has been unfair for those who took spesh in the last couple of years as it didn't scale by as much as it should have been scaling by. They are correcting it to make it fair.

LOL I agree but at the same time unfair to the past spesh students. I still find VTAC making a mistake bizarre. It's not good enough ...

[Natters]

i don't want to sound whiny or anything but.. either way it was unfair to somebody get it right people!

[Jdog]

Think of it this way, is has been unfair for those who took spesh in the last couple of years as it didn't scale by as much as it should have been scaling by. They are correcting it to make it fair.

so does this mean there have been several illegitimate 99.95'ers meaning scholarships to medicine, law, etc. were wrongly handed out?

this has terrible consequences for many people who may have been border line. Such a frightfully blatant mistake on their part.

[sros]

Well participation in spesh numbers has been going down over the last few years, meaning less and less of the top end scores are students doing spesh (although i am sure there are still a lot there); hence with less people i would assume it wont be 2007 type agg/atars; in saying that though im sure this modification will change things slightly, thankfully this has come at the best time for those currently doing spesh, just the sort of boost i needed to rev up study before the exam.

Also, it is very ambiguous, but perhaps the increase of the scaled mean by 3 will have a lesser effect on the higher end scores; so that for those getting say a 40 raw only get an extra 1.5-2 and those up at 50 only get an extra 0.5-1ish, meaning that a 50 will still only scale to a 52/52.5ish?

As a side note, it didn't say that they forgot (did it), more re-revised an outdated policy where they didnt include year 11 scores for scaling calculations because back when the system was implemented only around 11% of students did a 3/4 in year 11, nowadays its more like 50% so they have decided to re-revise....tbh I simply see this a ploy to encourage students back into spesh

[thushan]

LOL JDog calm down mate!
And don't call them "illegitimate," that's not very nice and doesn't do them justice. These guys have worked exhaustively, you don't want to discount that.

[Jdog]

LOL JDog calm down mate!
And don't call them "illegitimate," that's not very nice and doesn't do them justice. These guys have worked exhaustively, you don't want to discount that.

I am not discounting their hardwork, I am saying that some people who got 99.90 maybe should have gotten 99.95 if their spesh scores scaled up like they have apparently supposed to have been.

As a consequence there might have been some 99.95ers pushed down to 99.90

In no way am I saying they haven't worked for it, but ultimately, they simply shouldn't have gotten the 99.95 if in fact this mistake has been made.

[costa94]

or do Latin as well and you're all g
lololol playing the system waddup!