Do students need tutoring to succeed in the VCE?

[Fishyiscool]

I'm Pretty entirely sure that thushan hasn't been tutored since kumon in like year 8 or 9 LOL.
Some people are just geniuses on their own accord.

So you are telling me that Thushan was a tutor at Kumon

LOL. Im not entirely sure about that, but I know he was tutored at kumon as a child. a small child.

I choose to interpret this as validation of my job and work

What do u mean? You work at kumon?

[thushan]

I also believe that Thushan managed to get 50s without tuition as well

You are going to have to ask him.
You should also not believe everything you are told.

I will make this additional point.
If your mum and dad manage every minute of your life, providing research and secreterial assistance and save you a lot of time from having to work things out and do them on your own, which gives you more time to study, then that is also a form of tutoring/mentoring/coaching

Hey Argonaut.

Will set this straight.

English Language - didn't receive tuition until about 2-3 months before exams - but I guess I did have a tutor for a couple of months, he was absolutely amazing.
Maths Methods/Specialist - did most of the material in Kumon in years 5 and 6, then worked on my own
Chem - never had a tutor, but I did Olympiad in year 11-12 and my year 11 chem teacher was amazing.
Physics - never had a tutor, did pretty much all the work myself, but went to a TSFX lecture at the end of the year.
Biology - had a tutor for whole year of bio, but it was a complete waste of money, purely coz i couldn't understand his accent at all. he did give me some reading that was good. but i accredit TSFX and Douchy and GTAC, which i searched up.
German - had scocliffe09 as my german tutor, he was amazing, but i wasn't great at german in the first place

So all in all, I had SOME tutoring, but by no account did I have a zillion tutors.

Also, it was doing Biology in Year 11 with next to no spoon-feeding (see note on my tutor), searching up my own resources, and writing mind map after mind map when i realised that's how I learnt best that gave me the study skills i needed for year 12!

Oh and dude, could you be a little less...contemptuous! Make arguments, that's fine, but be logical/reasonable rather than contemptuous.

[thushan]

I'm Pretty entirely sure that thushan hasn't been tutored since kumon in like year 8 or 9 LOL.
Some people are just geniuses on their own accord.

tizi, I did get some tutoring, but not much - bio in year 11, german on a casual basis, and englang for a few months

[Fishyiscool]

I'm Pretty entirely sure that thushan hasn't been tutored since kumon in like year 8 or 9 LOL.
Some people are just geniuses on their own accord.

tizi, I did get some tutoring, but not much - bio in year 11, german on a casual basis, and englang for a few months

Hahaha oh yeah I realized after someone said it xD Ahhh well most of it was due to yourself only

[Jdog]

mad props to thush for gunning chem on his own. respect.

[paulsterio]

sorry guys, i've just haven't updated myself on this thread but firstly,

I see.

If my mum is a Senior Lecturer in English Literature and my dad is Emeritus Professor of Mathematics and all my brothers and sisters have done VCE ahead of me and I have 24 hour access to them for help/tips/advice then this not tutoring, its familial support and I am doing everything on my OWN

But if I pay some Uni Student $25 an hour for 1 hour a week, I am being TUTORED and I should be ashamed of myself.

no, if you're receiving direct help then that's tutoring, if you're receiving indirect help it's familial support. When I had my VCE Exams, my dad was on Long Service Leave from his work and basically he was at home all day (I still had school), so he'd do things like printing off practice exams for me, going to the bookstore to get me any books that I asked him to, he looked up sample English essays and topics on the Internet for me as well as other things such as study guides and such. I think this is familial support. He didn't directly assist me with coursework material, but he helped me by saving me time, allowing me to study more efficiently and have more breaks.

However, if my dad sat down with me and did exam questions together, taught me and supported me that way, then yes, it'd technically be tutoring. However, I don't see anything to be "ashamed of", I don't understand why you've brought the issue of "shame" into the discussion. We're debating whether tuition helps one to succeed, not whether tutoring is shameful.

[thushan]

sorry guys, i've just haven't updated myself on this thread but firstly,

I see.

If my mum is a Senior Lecturer in English Literature and my dad is Emeritus Professor of Mathematics and all my brothers and sisters have done VCE ahead of me and I have 24 hour access to them for help/tips/advice then this not tutoring, its familial support and I am doing everything on my OWN

But if I pay some Uni Student $25 an hour for 1 hour a week, I am being TUTORED and I should be ashamed of myself.

no, if you're receiving direct help then that's tutoring, if you're receiving indirect help it's familial support. When I had my VCE Exams, my dad was on Long Service Leave from his work and basically he was at home all day (I still had school), so he'd do things like printing off practice exams for me, going to the bookstore to get me any books that I asked him to, he looked up sample English essays and topics on the Internet for me as well as other things such as study guides and such. I think this is familial support. He didn't directly assist me with coursework material, but he helped me by saving me time, allowing me to study more efficiently and have more breaks.

However, if my dad sat down with me and did exam questions together, taught me and supported me that way, then yes, it'd technically be tutoring. However, I don't see anything to be "ashamed of", I don't understand why you've brought the issue of "shame" into the discussion. We're debating whether tuition helps one to succeed, not whether tutoring is shameful.

Oh and can I add, thanks Argonaut. So all my students are meant to feel ashamed that I'm tutoring them, and I'm supposed to be ashamed that I'm giving tutoring? Sometimes it is good to give people guidance on how to think, guiding their development of analytical skills and logical reasoning and principle development through my Chem tutoring, the deriving of formulas and concepts from basic common sense in my Methods and Spesh tutoring.

And btw argonaut, I'm feeling pretty shit about myself over what you said. If you're just trolling me, please stop, I'm actually quite hurt about this.

[thushan]

Ahaha on another note I'm no longer tutoring Methods, Spesh or Physics...(but I am keeping the students I already have!).

[luken93]

Can't remember if I wrote on this thread, but anyways.

I got no tuition whatsoever, I went to a couple of lectures but that was the extent of my outside help.

And I go to a mediocre school.

And my parents are tradies and shop assistants.

It can be done on your own accord, just sayin.

[Russ]

You're misinterpreting his comments, he never said that you should be ashamed of yourself

I choose to interpret this as validation of my job and work

What do u mean? You work at kumon?

Yeah, I just quit, I've worked there for a while now (several years).

[s.ay]

Tutoring in its own right is nothing to be ashamed of, nor is seeking a tutor. It is entirely dependent on one's circumstances. For example, I am receiving tutoring for methods, as I was sick for about two years of my schooling and wish to fill in any gaps that I may have. I don't think I should be ashamed of that? And whether or not students need tutoring to succeed in VCE.. well I am inclined to say that,once again, it really depends on the individual.

[golden]

I also believe that Thushan managed to get 50s without tuition as well

You are going to have to ask him.
You should also not believe everything you are told.

I will make this additional point.
If your mum and dad manage every minute of your life, providing research and secreterial assistance and save you a lot of time from having to work things out and do them on your own, which gives you more time to study, then that is also a form of tutoring/mentoring/coaching

Hey Argonaut.

Will set this straight.

English Language - didn't receive tuition until about 2-3 months before exams - but I guess I did have a tutor for a couple of months, he was absolutely amazing.
Maths Methods/Specialist - did most of the material in Kumon in years 5 and 6, then worked on my own
Chem - never had a tutor, but I did Olympiad in year 11-12 and my year 11 chem teacher was amazing.
Physics - never had a tutor, did pretty much all the work myself, but went to a TSFX lecture at the end of the year.
Biology - had a tutor for whole year of bio, but it was a complete waste of money, purely coz i couldn't understand his accent at all. he did give me some reading that was good. but i accredit TSFX and Douchy and GTAC, which i searched up.
German - had scocliffe09 as my german tutor, he was amazing, but i wasn't great at german in the first place

So all in all, I had SOME tutoring, but by no account did I have a zillion tutors.

Also, it was doing Biology in Year 11 with next to no spoon-feeding (see note on my tutor), searching up my own resources, and writing mind map after mind map when i realised that's how I learnt best that gave me the study skills i needed for year 12!

Oh and dude, could you be a little less...contemptuous! Make arguments, that's fine, but be logical/reasonable rather than contemptuous.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting this but you managed to do Methods/Specialist material in grade 5 and 6?
If you did then wow!

[pi]

Maybe I'm misinterpreting this but you managed to do Methods/Specialist material in grade 5 and 6?
If you did then wow!

You did not misinterpret that, it is simply scary.

[paulsterio]

I think it's a misinterpretation

What Thushan meant to say is that he did Kumon in years 5-6, not Methods and Spesh in years 5-6?

[pi]

I think it's a misinterpretation

What Thushan meant to say is that he did Kumon in years 5-6, not Methods and Spesh in years 5-6?

I think you should ask him, it's not a misinterpretation

Kumon goes into methods and spesh level material. I know someone who was doing volumes of revolution in yr8, and thushan is a fair bit above that guy intellectually (no offence to this person).