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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #135 on: January 18, 2012, 02:52:11 pm »
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i finally underastand it thankyou so much , i really appreciate it . thanks alot :)

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #136 on: January 19, 2012, 09:49:09 pm »
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quick question,
is synthetic division appropriate enough to use for 'showing' or 'proving' things which involve long division ? as in, show bla bla bla is divisible for any value of x... 

I don't think its an accepted VCAA method, having said that its fine to use it to check your answer. I've also not seen a "show via long division" question before, so it shouldn't matter anyway :)

there was a question in essentials :
Prove that the expression   is divisible by( x + 1) for all values of k.
using synethetic division, its rather easy. takes literally half a minute.

                  | 1   k-1  k-9    -7
             -1  |     -1   -k+2    7
                  |____________
                    1    k-2    -7    0

if there was a similar question on an exam, could you just do that, ? and you know, add in the, "hence, all values for ..... bla bla etc etc"
i found using long div on this longer, and i screwed it up. :S


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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #137 on: January 19, 2012, 10:24:49 pm »
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quick question,
is synthetic division appropriate enough to use for 'showing' or 'proving' things which involve long division ? as in, show bla bla bla is divisible for any value of x... 

I don't think its an accepted VCAA method, having said that its fine to use it to check your answer. I've also not seen a "show via long division" question before, so it shouldn't matter anyway :)

there was a question in essentials :
Prove that the expression   is divisible by( x + 1) for all values of k.
using synethetic division, its rather easy. takes literally half a minute.

                  | 1   k-1  k-9    -7
             -1  |     -1   -k+2    7
                  |____________
                    1    k-2    -7    0

if there was a similar question on an exam, could you just do that, ? and you know, add in the, "hence, all values for ..... bla bla etc etc"
i found using long div on this longer, and i screwed it up. :S



Yeah, it may be faster, but its not accepted by VCAA :P Not even all teachers/assessors know what synthetic division is tbh.

You'd need to do long division.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #138 on: January 19, 2012, 10:26:40 pm »
+1
Also thank you pi .

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #139 on: January 19, 2012, 10:47:18 pm »
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quick question,
is synthetic division appropriate enough to use for 'showing' or 'proving' things which involve long division ? as in, show bla bla bla is divisible for any value of x... 

I don't think its an accepted VCAA method, having said that its fine to use it to check your answer. I've also not seen a "show via long division" question before, so it shouldn't matter anyway :)

there was a question in essentials :
Prove that the expression   is divisible by( x + 1) for all values of k.
using synethetic division, its rather easy. takes literally half a minute.

                  | 1   k-1  k-9    -7
             -1  |     -1   -k+2    7
                  |____________
                    1    k-2    -7    0

if there was a similar question on an exam, could you just do that, ? and you know, add in the, "hence, all values for ..... bla bla etc etc"
i found using long div on this longer, and i screwed it up. :S



Yeah, it may be faster, but its not accepted by VCAA :P Not even all teachers/assessors know what synthetic division is tbh.

You'd need to do long division.
Is synthetic division srsly not accepted? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #140 on: January 19, 2012, 11:23:06 pm »
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #141 on: January 19, 2012, 11:27:12 pm »
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Nope, not accepted :(

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #142 on: January 20, 2012, 12:00:55 am »
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well. it still enables you to rapidly do long div! so you could do it to know your answer, then just scribble down some of those numbers in long div. hopefully examiners wont check, will see the right answer, tick !   8) boss.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #143 on: January 20, 2012, 12:52:01 am »
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Yeah, no. Assessors aren't stupid and in a "prove" question like the one you gave, there isn't much to check anyway as you already know the "answer"...

Just do long div, after practise it does't take that long :P It seriously won't!

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #144 on: January 20, 2012, 11:15:05 am »
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Nope, not accepted :(
Yeah, no. Assessors aren't stupid and in a "prove" question like the one you gave, there isn't much to check anyway as you already know the "answer"...

Just do long div, after practise it does't take that long :P It seriously won't!


Personally, it would never occur to me to do any sort of division on this problem. Long, short, medium or synthetic.
They give you a BIG HINT !
(x+1) is a factor
Use it
Factorise :)

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« Reply #145 on: January 20, 2012, 12:57:10 pm »
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^ good point. Even easier than factorization: you know that if is a polynomial, then divides it if and only if
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #146 on: January 21, 2012, 12:40:57 pm »
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would someone be able to go through indefinite integrals where the result is
I understand it intuitively and can get most of the questions, but I'm not 100% sure of how to use the absolute values and whatnot.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #147 on: January 21, 2012, 12:50:48 pm »
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would someone be able to go through indefinite integrals where the result is
I understand it intuitively and can get most of the questions, but I'm not 100% sure of how to use the absolute values and whatnot.

take this an example.




thats all.

Your example is wrong. For antidifferentiation to be possible, the derivative of the bottom must be found on top. This is achieved by multiplying by a factor of The "a" is multiplied through and then a factor of is taken out.

Therefore the correct answer is


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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #148 on: January 21, 2012, 01:05:18 pm »
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would someone be able to go through indefinite integrals where the result is
I understand it intuitively and can get most of the questions, but I'm not 100% sure of how to use the absolute values and whatnot.

take this an example.




thats all.

Your example is wrong. For antidifferentiation to be possible, the derivative of the bottom must be found on top. This is achieved by multiplying by a factor of The "a" is multiplied through and then a factor of is taken out.

Therefore the correct answer is




Yeah, that makes sense, it's the use of the absolute value that is confusing me a little.
The explanation in Essentials isn't very clear, and the arithmetic in one section seems incorrect, it states   ???
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #149 on: January 21, 2012, 01:09:52 pm »
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would someone be able to go through indefinite integrals where the result is
I understand it intuitively and can get most of the questions, but I'm not 100% sure of how to use the absolute values and whatnot.

take this an example.




thats all.

Your example is wrong. For antidifferentiation to be possible, the derivative of the bottom must be found on top. This is achieved by multiplying by a factor of The "a" is multiplied through and then a factor of is taken out.

Therefore the correct answer is




Yeah, that makes sense, it's the use of the absolute value that is confusing me a little.
The explanation in Essentials isn't very clear, and the arithmetic in one section seems incorrect, it states   ???

The reason absolute values is used is to account for the possibility of negative values of x. Since the original function has not got a restricted domain, both negative and positive values can be used. The only value that cannot be used would be one that causes the denominator to equal 0. When antidifferentiating, one must therefore account for this - by using the absolute value signs as it is not possible to have a rational log of a negative number.

Understand?
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