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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #90 on: January 15, 2012, 08:02:18 pm »
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In that case,

2sin(2x-30)=1

sin(2x-30) = 1/2

So for what angles does the sin of said angle = 1/2 ? That would be 30 and 150, as you should remember/be able to look up.

So 2x-30 = arcsin(1/2)

2x-30 = 30, 150

2x = 60, 180

x=30, 90

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #91 on: January 15, 2012, 08:33:27 pm »
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Find the values of x between o and 360^degrees for which 2sin(2x-30)^degrees=1


Okay, well -
dividing by two, sin(2x-30) = 1/2
sin(a) = 1/2 for a = 30, 150, 390, 510, 750, 870
let a = 2x-30
2x-30 = 30, 150, 390, 510 ...
2x = 60, 180, 420, 540, 780 ...
dividing by two
x = 30, 90, 210, 270, 390
but the domain is 0 to 360, so x = 30, 90, 210, 270
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #92 on: January 15, 2012, 08:47:46 pm »
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how can y=6x3+6x2+3x be written in the form y=a(x-b)3+c ?

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #93 on: January 15, 2012, 09:00:38 pm »
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Find the values of x between o and 360^degrees for which 2sin(2x-30)^degrees=1


Okay, well -
dividing by two, sin(2x-30) = 1/2
sin(a) = 1/2 for a = 30, 150, 390, 510, 750, 870
let a = 2x-30
2x-30 = 30, 150, 390, 510 ...
2x = 60, 180, 420, 540, 780 ...
dividing by two
x = 30, 90, 210, 270, 390
but the domain is 0 to 360, so x = 30, 90, 210, 270

Yeah this is better than mine, forgot he wanted it between 0 and 360.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #94 on: January 15, 2012, 09:14:16 pm »
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how can y=6x3+6x2+3x be written in the form y=a(x-b)3+c ?

not all cubics have SPOIs.
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« Reply #95 on: January 15, 2012, 09:20:19 pm »
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thanks but how do you prove it? can i see the working out? i can't seem to understand :P

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« Reply #96 on: January 15, 2012, 09:28:21 pm »
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thanks but how do you prove it? can i see the working out? i can't seem to understand :P

To show that a cubic doesn't have an SPOI, first find where the POI is, and then show that it isn't stationary.


For example:

f(x)=6x^3+6x^2+3x
f'(x)=18x^2+12x+3
f''(x)=36x+12

To find the POI, we set f''(x) = 0, so 36x+12=0, x= -1/3

Now show that this is not 'stationary'.

ie. find f'(-1/3)

f'(-1/3) = 18(-1/3)^2 + 12(-1/3) + 3
= 2 - 4 + 3
= 1
=/= 0

Alternatively, you could just show the function has no stationary points at all, but of course this won't work with all cubics.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #97 on: January 15, 2012, 09:37:35 pm »
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To show that a cubic doesn't have an SPOI, first find where the POI is, and then show that it isn't stationary.


For example:

f(x)=6x^3+6x^2+3x
f'(x)=18x^2+12x+3
f''(x)=36x+12

To find the POI, we set f''(x) = 0, so 36x+12=0, x= -1/3

Now show that this is not 'stationary'.

ie. find f'(-1/3)

f'(-1/3) = 18(-1/3)^2 + 12(-1/3) + 3
= 2 - 4 + 3
= 1
=/= 0

Alternatively, you could just show the function has no stationary points at all, but of course this won't work with all cubics.

Unless my memory hugely fails me this isn't within the scope of Methods. Alternative - just take f'(x), solve f'(x) = 0 and if there is more than one solution then the function has multiple stationary points, in which case it doesn't have a stationary point of inflection.

I'm not sure if this works the other way though - if it has only one stationary point, that may not necessarily mean it's a SPOI... Somebody who knows more than me can answer that one
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #98 on: January 15, 2012, 09:42:56 pm »
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f'(x)=18x2+12x+3
For there to be a stationary point, f'(x)=0
b2-4ac=122=4*18*3
=144-216
=-72

As b2-4ac<0 there are no solutions to 18x2+12x+3=0, so there are no stationary points/stationary points of inflexion.

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I'm not sure if this works the other way though - if it has only one stationary point, that may not necessarily mean it's a SPOI... Somebody who knows more than me can answer that one
As for the stationary point of inflection for one stationary point, just show that f'(x) on either side are different signs. I.e. plug a value in and gradient table.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #99 on: January 15, 2012, 09:50:40 pm »
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how can y=6x3+6x2+3x be written in the form y=a(x-b)3+c ?


By the methods available to you in MM 3/4, the best you can do is to state that it cant be done because the cubic expansion (x+b)3 requires that the coefficients of x3, x2 and x must be in the ratio 1:3:3 (after you take 6 out as a common factor)
In other words, you cant 'complete the cube' without some nasty non-constant bits left over
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #100 on: January 15, 2012, 10:08:09 pm »
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It's not necessarily a 1:3:3 ratio unless b=-1 (and don't worry about taking out the common factor of 6, ratios are preserved if u multiply everything by a constant anyway).


So the ratio is and you've got yourself So you would want , which is impossible.
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« Reply #101 on: January 15, 2012, 10:12:43 pm »
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It's not necessarily a 1:3:3 ratio unless b=-1 (and don't worry about taking out the common factor of 6, ratios are preserved if u multiply everything by a constant anyway).


So the ratio is and you've got yourself So you would want , which is impossible.


I was waiting for you to tighten up my answer, mate :)

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #102 on: January 15, 2012, 10:45:40 pm »
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Oh yeah, this is methods. My bad LOL
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #103 on: January 15, 2012, 11:02:48 pm »
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thanks for the help everyone, i am having trouble trying to change y=6x^3+6x^2+2x  into turning point form. I don't know how to do it? it seems like you can't use completing the square to do it, so how is it possible?

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« Reply #104 on: January 16, 2012, 12:33:05 am »
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One way is to equate coefficients:

set a(x-b)^3+c to be equivalent to 6x^3+6x^2+2x

Expand the first to get ax^3 - 3ax^2b + 3axb^2 - ab^3 + c

From this you will get a=6, b=-1/3, c=-2/9.

Alternatively, you can find the stationary point by differentiating, which turns out to be (-1/3, -2/9). So we know that y=a(x+1/3)^3 - 2/9, and then it becomes obvious that a=6.


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