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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3150 on: May 27, 2014, 09:02:46 pm »
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Well, split your integral up into e^x * (e^x/(1+e^x))
See how e^x, the derivative of e^x, is present? You can substitute u=e^x here

Yeh i did that however i was unsure how to go from there? as it becomes u/(1+u) and i dont quite know where to go from there...
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« Reply #3151 on: May 27, 2014, 09:07:59 pm »
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u/(u+1) = 1- 1/(u+1)
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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3152 on: May 27, 2014, 09:11:03 pm »
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u/(u+1) = 1- 1/(u+1)

ahh foath! cheers for pointing that out to me... haha
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« Reply #3153 on: May 27, 2014, 09:18:51 pm »
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Complex numbers are constant too. It's not like they change over time or depend on a variable.

So, if a question stated that b was a 'complex constant' could we represent b as x+yi?

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« Reply #3154 on: May 27, 2014, 10:46:46 pm »
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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3155 on: May 28, 2014, 09:54:05 pm »
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In my calculus test, i was rushing so i integrated -2/sqrt(1-x^2) to -2arcsin(x). However, the teacher said the only correct ans is 2arcos(x). I know that the teacher is correct according to the formula, but when i do it on CAS, i get my own answer. And it doesnt make sense coz i think if we sub in something for x, we get different answers for the two different solutions. So is the calculator wrong?
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« Reply #3156 on: May 28, 2014, 10:39:56 pm »
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In my calculus test, i was rushing so i integrated -2/sqrt(1-x^2) to -2arcsin(x). However, the teacher said the only correct ans is 2arcos(x). I know that the teacher is correct according to the formula, but when i do it on CAS, i get my own answer. And it doesnt make sense coz i think if we sub in something for x, we get different answers for the two different solutions. So is the calculator wrong?

Tell your teacher that there are infinitely many antiderivatives.

y = sin (x) = cos(pi/2 - x)
Therefore x = arcsin(y)
And arccos(y) = pi/2 - x
Therefore arcsin(x) + arccos(x) = pi/2

Both -2arcsin(x) and 2arccos(x) are correct. The thing is, you normally have an integration constant for antiderivatives. The +C accounts for the difference of pi/2 between +arcsin(x) and -arccos(x). The calculator just spits out one antiderivative.

Get your calculator to sketch y= arcsin x + arccos x. You should get a horizontal line that may or may not be limited to the domain [-1,1] depending on calc settings
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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3157 on: May 29, 2014, 06:04:23 pm »
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I apologise for this stupid question -but our school just recently started on integral calculus. We're using Maths Quest. I think my problem regarding this topic is not about what I'm trying to find, but why I am doing so and so -- so far we've just been taught by using 'substitution where the derivative is present in the integral' technique.

So my question is -- would anyone spare me some informational sights or other textbooks, or exaplain, what the intuition is behind this whole process?

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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3158 on: May 29, 2014, 07:06:42 pm »
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I apologise for this stupid question -but our school just recently started on integral calculus. We're using Maths Quest. I think my problem regarding this topic is not about what I'm trying to find, but why I am doing so and so -- so far we've just been taught by using 'substitution where the derivative is present in the integral' technique.

So my question is -- would anyone spare me some informational sights or other textbooks, or exaplain, what the intuition is behind this whole process?

Thanks,
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In differentiation, we used to find the equation the gradient at a point. In contrary, in integration, we find the original function from a given gradient function.

Consider f(x)=x^2+2, we know that the diff. is f'(x)=2x. Now in an integration problem, we might be asked to find the original equation from f'(x)=2x, i.e. Find the integral. You might know that now we have to do the reverse, so we increase the power and divide the term by that number in the new power. Therefore we get f(x)=x^2. You can notice that this time we dont have that "+2" that we used to have in the first place. As such we say that the GENERAL integral is f'(x)=2x is f(x)=x^2+c, where c is a constant. In our case we know that c is 2.

DEFINITE integral is when you have a number (say b) above and a number below (say a) the integration sign( the § sign which is sort of similar looking). you might have not learnt where this becomes handy, but later in the chapter you will know that definite integral can be used to find the area under the curve of the equation between a and b x-values.

So to sum up, integration is the opposite of diff. And it is also called antidifferentiation.
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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3159 on: May 29, 2014, 08:38:06 pm »
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I apologise for this stupid question -but our school just recently started on integral calculus. We're using Maths Quest. I think my problem regarding this topic is not about what I'm trying to find, but why I am doing so and so -- so far we've just been taught by using 'substitution where the derivative is present in the integral' technique.

So my question is -- would anyone spare me some informational sights or other textbooks, or exaplain, what the intuition is behind this whole process?

Thorium has pretty much explained integration, pretty much the reverse of differentiation and it has a whole lot of applications! Throughout Chapter 5 in Maths Quest you'll learn a whole lot of techniques you can use to integrate functions - things which are beyond the Methods course.

I'll quickly run you through "substitution where the derivative is present in the integral" - I like to look at it as the reverse of the chain rule. When you differentiate a composite function using the chain rule, you differentiate the outside, then multiply it by the derivative of the inside. When you integrate using substitution with this method, you essentially cancel out the derivative, then integrate as normal.

Below is a standard chain rule question:



Now what if we were asked to integrate ? We need to simply recognise that the derivative of is which is part of the integral and the steps is as follows:



So there's one of the cool techniques you get to learn as a Specialist student that Methods kids don't get to learn! be proud  ;D hopefully this helps! (although it wasn't really your question haha)
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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3160 on: May 29, 2014, 09:40:54 pm »
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Thank you both, Thorium and Zealous! I can finally talk myself through the whole process of what I'm doing now.  Zealous, you've actually hit the nail on the head, because that's what I was trying to ask. Hah.

Nonetheless, your process cleared up some concerns I had with this 'u' substitution, since it's funny to see the backwards process of the chain rule. Thank you both again.

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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3161 on: May 31, 2014, 03:24:43 pm »
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if 2cos^2(x) = cos(2x) + 1, what is (1/4)cos^2(2x)?
I thought it was (1/8)cos(4x) + 1, but i'm wrong?

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« Reply #3162 on: May 31, 2014, 03:32:31 pm »
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« Reply #3163 on: May 31, 2014, 05:21:19 pm »
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Can someone please help me with 9aii) and i'll try to do aiii) by myself later?

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« Reply #3164 on: May 31, 2014, 06:46:28 pm »
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Can someone please help me with 9aii) and i'll try to do aiii) by myself later?

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Refer to the following post for a better answer

Screw it I shall do it an easier way...

Note that the functions in ii and iii are constant for all as



So you can substitute any value into f(x) in the given domain and this will yield your answer.

e.g. for ii so sub in for simplicity and then you can do a similar thing for the next part.
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