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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3855 on: November 09, 2014, 07:31:18 pm »
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I was thinking about the shaded red section:



They give you the forth line Arg(z) = pi/3 (y=root(3)x) which means that the region has to be the one they shaded.
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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3856 on: November 09, 2014, 07:31:29 pm »
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quick question:
A particle held in equilibrium by three concurrent coplanar forces P, Q and R
P is 5N east
Q is 5N north
therefore R is 5sqrt2N SW

but how does that show that they are concurrent?

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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3857 on: November 09, 2014, 07:33:01 pm »
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I was thinking about the shaded red section:

Think outer sector - inner sector

quick question:
A particle held in equilibrium by three concurrent coplanar forces P, Q and R
P is 5N east
Q is 5N north
therefore R is 5sqrt2N SW

but how does that show that they are concurrent?

thanks

Three lines are concurrent if they intersect the same point. I think they mean three forces acting on a point.
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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3858 on: November 09, 2014, 07:43:05 pm »
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Sorry I'm lost once again   ???

Just like you said "outer - inner" why is the red shaded region not possible?

I understand up to the annulus part but I think I am stuck with the angle and the line part.

Thanks for your help!

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« Reply #3859 on: November 09, 2014, 07:46:32 pm »
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Sorry I'm lost once again   ???

Just like you said "outer - inner" why is the red shaded region not possible?

I understand up to the annulus part but I think I am stuck with the angle and the line part.

Thanks for your help!

I did not read the question that time LOL I thought you meant find the area. OK.

The reason why your graph isn't good enough is because 1 < |z| < 2 means |z| is between 1 and 2. But |z| = 1 is a FULL circle. So is |z| = 2. Hence, you need to shade in the region between two FULL circles. You haven't done that. You've shaded in the region between two parts of two full circles.
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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3860 on: November 09, 2014, 07:47:45 pm »
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I did not read the question that time LOL I thought you meant find the area. OK.

The reason why your graph isn't good enough is because 1 < |z| < 2 means |z| is between 1 and 2. But |z| = 1 is a FULL circle. So is |z| = 2. Hence, you need to shade in the region between two FULL circles. You haven't done that. You've shaded in the region between two parts of two full circles.

It also has the bounds y=(1/root(3))x and Arg(z) = pi/3-> which means it can't be the red section and must be the section given in the assesors report
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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3861 on: November 09, 2014, 07:58:19 pm »
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Hmm. Pls stay with me, I'll explain my train of thought:

The angle pi/3 extends from the line y=0 in the first quadrant to the second dotted line counting from the first quadrant.

The line y=(1/root3)x is the bolded line.

So to shade between the 2 circles (1 with radius 1 and the other with radius 2) and between the above given regions, I believe we can shade above the line and below the angle (so the assessors' answer) or else we can shade below the line but above the angle (so the red shaded part).

I am still wondering why the red one isn't accepted? Thanks again.

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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3862 on: November 09, 2014, 08:03:36 pm »
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Hmm. Pls stay with me, I'll explain my train of thought:

The angle pi/3 extends from the line y=0 in the first quadrant to the second dotted line counting from the first quadrant.

The line y=(1/root3)x is the bolded line.

So to shade between the 2 circles (1 with radius 1 and the other with radius 2) and between the above given regions, I believe we can shade above the line and below the angle (so the assessors' answer) or else we can shade below the line but above the angle (so the red shaded part).

I am still wondering why the red one isn't accepted? Thanks again.

How is the red enclosed by all four lines? If it were Arg(z) < pi/3 I think the red region would work. 
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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3863 on: November 09, 2014, 08:10:31 pm »
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How is the red enclosed by all four lines?

Thanks so much!! I get it now!!!

I just realised that I've been assuming Arg(z) is a region and not a line!!!!



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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3864 on: November 09, 2014, 08:11:09 pm »
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Thanks so much!! I get it now!!!

I just realised that I've been assuming Arg(z) is a region and not a line!!!!

Yeah aha! I edited my post as I realised this :)
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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3865 on: November 09, 2014, 08:13:43 pm »
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How is the red enclosed by all four lines? If it were Arg(z) < pi/3 I think the red region would work.

Just be careful about this because if that restriction was there then I think we would have to shade in the fourth and part of the third quadrant too.
Don't forget -pi < Arg(z) </= pi  ;D

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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3866 on: November 09, 2014, 08:25:55 pm »
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Just be careful about this because if that restriction was there then I think we would have to shade in the fourth and part of the third quadrant too.
Don't forget -pi < Arg(z) </= pi  ;D

Yeah i know aha :) I didn't mean to imply that the red region would be the only region :~S
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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3867 on: November 09, 2014, 08:35:14 pm »
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For general solutions of cos(x) = a, would I say x = 2npi +- arccos(a) or just 2npi + arccos(a)?

Also for the Argand diagram, if I have one inclusive line/curve and one exclusive (say |z|=<2 and |z-1|<|z|) would the intersection of these two lines have an open circle or do I not need to worry about it?

Thanks in advance :)
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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3868 on: November 09, 2014, 08:49:18 pm »
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thank you! so much!

i have another one:
please refer to the attachment

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Re: Specialist 3/4 Question Thread!
« Reply #3869 on: November 09, 2014, 08:52:32 pm »
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For general solutions of cos(x) = a, would I say x = 2npi +- arccos(a) or just 2npi + arccos(a)?

Also for the Argand diagram, if I have one inclusive line/curve and one exclusive (say |z|=<2 and |z-1|<|z|) would the intersection of these two lines have an open circle or do I not need to worry about it?

Thanks in advance :)

Definitely the +/-, since 2npi + arccos(a) would be removing half the solutions. For example, solutions to cos(x) = 1/2 would involve pi/3 and -pi/3, but 2npi + arccos(a) has no way of equalling -pi/3 since arccos(a) is pi/3.

Also for the second question, I don't see in what scenario you would require to mark the intersection with a dot. Intersections (or intercepts) are typically marked with a cross, as that is standard, so no dots  :)
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