The ATAR and Results Build Up Thread [v2]

[paulsterio]

Wouldn't VTAC have our ATARs?

LOL! oh yeah, VTAC has ATARs, VCAA has Study Scores, but I wanna know my study scores more than my ATAR =.="

Moderator action: removed real name, sorry for the inconvenience

[kensan]

How come the careers people get them early?

[robbb_08]

i already activated my phone so that i recieve my atar results on the 16th as a message, but i recently changed my number. how could i change that :S

[Special At Specialist]

What's the difference between VCE, VCAA and VTAC?

[pi]

What's the difference between VCE, VCAA and VTAC?

Not sure if trolling...

VCE - the actual program you're in, also the certificate you get at the end if you *pass*
VCAA - sets the exams of the VCE and study scoresm etc.
VTAC - does the ATAR and manages and gives uni prefs

If you're entering year 12, you SHOULD already know that stuff pretty well though...

[Special At Specialist]

Not sure if trolling...

No, I'm not trolling.

VCE - the actual program you're in, also the certificate you get at the end if you *pass*
VCAA - sets the exams of the VCE and study scoresm etc.
VTAC - does the ATAR and manages and gives uni prefs

So the VCAA creates the exams, monitors the exams, marks the exams, analyses SAC marks and gives out study scores, but then the VTAC manages the ATAR? Why can't the VCAA just do the ATAR if they're going to do the study scores anyway?

If you're entering year 12, you SHOULD already know that stuff pretty well though...

I know how study scores work and I can approximate them pretty well which is more than all of my friends know...

Moderator action: removed real name, sorry for the inconvenience

[pi]

VCE - the actual program you're in, also the certificate you get at the end if you *pass*
VCAA - sets the exams of the VCE and study scoresm etc.
VTAC - does the ATAR and manages and gives uni prefs

So the VCAA creates the exams, monitors the exams, marks the exams, analyses SAC marks and gives out study scores, but then the VTAC manages the ATAR? Why can't the VCAA just do the ATAR if they're going to do the study scores anyway?

They don't give out the ATAR because VTAC does the scaling, and hence, the ATAR. VTAC also manages uni prefs (which 99% are ATAR based), so it makes sense to do it at VTAC for convenience.

[paulsterio]

VCAA doesn't do the ATAR because it has no significance to them whatsoever, the ATAR is used as a tool for tertiary course selection, which is governed by VTAC

All VCAA does is the Study Scores

[Special At Specialist]

Does VCAA also take care of the scaling of subjects? Does VCAA work out your aggregate?

[thushan]

No, VTAC.

[Special At Specialist]

Okay. So VCAA gives all the raw study scores, then VTAC chooses the scaling, the aggregate and the atar.

[paulsterio]

Yes, that's how it works

[funkyducky]

So the VCAA creates the exams, monitors the exams, marks the exams, analyses SAC marks and gives out study scores, but then the VTAC manages the ATAR? Why can't the VCAA just do the ATAR if they're going to do the study scores anyway?

What you need to understand that VCAA as a body is in charge of administering the VCE, which obviously includes study scores. At the end of the day, you complete at least 4 subjects satisfactorily including an English, and you receive your certificate, ie. you graduate high school. VTAC is the governing body for university admissions, and the ATAR is a tool used for admissions (much like the American SAT is used to pick students there). The thing about an ATAR is that it's not VCE-specific, VCE scores are just one of the many high school systems that can be used to calculate an ATAR, the others being things like the HSC and the IB  for example. Anyway, if you get what I'm trying to say...it's like asking why don't the police just decide the sentences criminals get - the judicial system and the law enforcement system are separate entities. VCAA and VTAC are separate in a similar way.

EDIT: That's why VTAC does scaling, too. Scaling has nothing to do with how you went in your subjects/passing VCE, and everything to do with the calculation of ATARs. Scaling exists for the sole purpose of calculating 'fair' (some question this) ATARs.

[lilaznkev1n]

Does anyone know the exact date when this years aggregate table is released?
I checked last years one and it was released 10 Dec according to this thread: 2010 Aggregate table :)

[REBORN]

^ I think that was Grade Distributions?

Because if you think about it, 2010 released it on Dec 13 (the ATAR) and the poster above said it released on Dec 10.

3days before...