Class of 2011: ATAR and SS Discussion Thread

[Sellingman]

What I think will be interesting in the coming years is that of recent times (including this year's cohort) we were under the impression Spesh scales up by 8, now that it scales up by 11, a lot more of your ~99.70ish people are going to take it as well and in general people are more aware of the benefits of scaling subjects as well as a 3/4 in year 11.

I think we could see the Aggregate for 99.95 rise above 213ish one day.

[aes_999]

to bazza, an extra 5+ in all languages?
Spanish 30 this year goes to 33
Punjabi 30 this year---> 31.
Viet 30 into into 34....

It can be somewhat questionable (and kinda unfair)
when some languages are scaled more than others.
For example, I do reckon viet is harder than indo,
yet indo SL scales more than viet (with a general +7)
this year.

[nubs]

Punjabi fluctuates so much, 3 years ago 30--->42, the year before it was 5, last year it was 6 and this year it was 1

[Panicmode]

. that's not what happens. it's +5 extra on all languages.

I think you've got your information slightly screwed up. Also, I was not complaining about spesh scaling, just about the fact that people were claiming that langauges were easier than spesh (which they aren't) and that they get scaled more (which they don't).

[thushan]

All languages get a +5 onto their scaled mean (which is set), then the scaled scores determined based on that new scaled mean, I think.

[Panicmode]

All languages get a +5 onto their scaled mean (which is set), then the scaled scores determined based on that new scaled mean, I think.

Ahh I get it, so rather than a mean of 30 and sd of 7, there's a mean of 35 and sd of 7? Still, that doesn't mean that languages will scale up anywhere near the rate that spesh did this year. 40-->51 is incredibly high and I have friends who will vouch for the fact that a 40 in any language (unless it's your native language and you get to take it as a second language) is much harder than a 40 in spesh.

I'm not complaining about spesh scaling, just pointing out that it's not fair to bash languages given their difficulty.

[Aurelian]

^The government is biased towards scaling up
'useful' foreign languages to enhance foreign
relationships. Thus, only relevant languages
(such as mandarin, japanese, indonesian, french
etc etc) get boosted higher.

Yeah this is why Latin gets the +5 too. The government is really keen on boosting relations with the Vatican and/or Rome two millennia ago...

[cranberry]

Yes, the GAT can only work in your favour not to your detriment (when there is a big discrepancy between SACs and exam performance). But considering you got a B+ on the exam and a moderated A and A+ overall for SACs, the GAT would've made little to no difference anyway.

+1
Yea i reckon - I got 24 or something for written GAT and got 45

[Jdog]

LOLOLOL LANGUAGES PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT SCALING. YOU GET AN EXTRA +5 AT 30 FOR NO REASON AT ALL.

When you experience the difficulty of doing a language, then you can comment.

Getting a 47+ in French which scales to 50+ is so much fucking harder than a 40 + in spesh.

[aes_999]

^Support. Languages are hard to learn.
Try getting a 45+ in languages, almost
impossible to do if you start from scratch
(without no previous exposure to the language).

[monkeywantsabanana]

^^ I have a feeling it may be virtually impossible for those having it as a second language. Our highest French score in our school, considering that he was a native, was a 42!

[paulsterio]

LOLOLOL LANGUAGES PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT SCALING. YOU GET AN EXTRA +5 AT 30 FOR NO REASON AT ALL.

When you experience the difficulty of doing a language, then you can comment.

Getting a 47+ in French which scales to 50+ is so much fucking harder than a 40 + in spesh.

No, you're different though, I understand the bonus for you guys but I know people who get ridiculous scores in their native languages and that's not fair because they're natives

[pi]

but I know people who get ridiculous scores in their native languages and that's not fair because they're natives

+1, esp in Chinese SL

[Romperait]

If you can't play the system, then shut up and brute force it instead.

[Sellingman]

To be honest,

I can't believe you people give this much of a shit about VCE. It's over, quit whinging.