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Re: Class of 2011: ATAR and SS Discussion Thread
« Reply #225 on: December 19, 2011, 08:16:47 pm »
What was the highest atar score for a VN user who didnt do Spesh? Out of curiosity..

You can get a 99.95 by doing languages, which scale up more than spesh does anyway, the benefits of doing spesh are decreasing every day, plus so many people do it that fluctuations/increases in its scaling affect the aggregate->atar so much

I'm sorry, but a 40 in French (one of the highest scaling languages) didn't scale up to a 50+
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Re: Class of 2011: ATAR and SS Discussion Thread
« Reply #226 on: December 19, 2011, 08:18:43 pm »
^What he said. My 48 Indo only got scaled up to 49.2...
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Re: Class of 2011: ATAR and SS Discussion Thread
« Reply #227 on: December 19, 2011, 08:21:21 pm »
Agreed...
My 41 in french scaled up to 49.83... almost 50...
Indonesian scaling was not that great probs because of the easier exam...
My 42 in indo went up to 46.57...
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Re: Class of 2011: ATAR and SS Discussion Thread
« Reply #228 on: December 19, 2011, 08:48:27 pm »
What was the highest atar score for a VN user who didnt do Spesh? Out of curiosity..

You can get a 99.95 by doing languages, which scale up more than spesh does anyway, the benefits of doing spesh are decreasing every day, plus so many people do it that fluctuations/increases in its scaling affect the aggregate->atar so much

im sorry getting a 46-47 in french os so much FUCKING harder than getting a 42 in spesh which scales to 52. Get your facts right before commenting,

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Re: Class of 2011: ATAR and SS Discussion Thread
« Reply #229 on: December 19, 2011, 08:52:37 pm »
Agreed with above. Call me bitter but i think the spesh scaling was a little unfair. Plus it doesn't seem the benefits of spesh are deteriorating at all

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« Reply #230 on: December 19, 2011, 09:03:06 pm »
Hey guys, chill the frack down.

Scaling reflects the level of competition for a particular study.

I'm of the opinion that scaling doesn't reward difficulty or hard work directly. Some humanities subjects, I'd argue, as just as hard as spesh in terms of mastering the content, but not as highly scaled.

But VTAC/VCAA tries their best. Scaling does even out the playing field when it comes to VCE as a competition. If you're competing against smart people in a study with relatively easy content, the scaling would go up more. If you're competing against less intelligent students in a study with difficult content, it'd probably even scale down. It's not a perfect system but it's the best we have and I'd like to see anyone come up with a completely fair and quantitative system (because no one wants to assess 40-50,000 students one by one).

Paulsterio was right in saying that a 99.95 is possible without doing spesh. It's debatable whether the benefits of spesh are decreasing, given that this year it scaled up 11 or something in that bracket, but it still is possible.

And maybe getting a high study score in language is much harder and requires more work, but all that is qualitative and, generally for most people on AN, one would pick a subject knowing it's pros and cons already. So I say just suck it up. I chose my subjects knowing exactly how much they would scale and yeah, it annoyed me slightly knowing I'd have to probably work just as hard in something like philosophy or literature and not get the rewards in scaling, but then you move on and accept that it's the best system we can have at the moment.

/end rant.
(sorry, scaling discussions annoy me. it shouldn't be that important)

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Re: Class of 2011: ATAR and SS Discussion Thread
« Reply #231 on: December 19, 2011, 09:06:14 pm »

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Re: Class of 2011: ATAR and SS Discussion Thread
« Reply #232 on: December 19, 2011, 09:27:24 pm »
I'm not bitter or jaded about the way spesh scaled, I'm happy with my mark :D. What I'm not happy with is people claiming that languages are easy and scale up heaps like spesh when in reality, it's the opposite.
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Re: Class of 2011: ATAR and SS Discussion Thread
« Reply #233 on: December 20, 2011, 03:31:40 pm »
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Sweet, but i think you got the scaling of spesh wrong :S
How so? Are the number different than on the VCAA scaling report?
Not quite sure but a 47 raw went to 54.18, the calc says 53.8
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Re: Class of 2011: ATAR and SS Discussion Thread
« Reply #234 on: December 20, 2011, 04:47:08 pm »
What's the minimum aggregate required for a 99.95? Would 208-210 have done it this year?

Hopefully not too many people from next year's cohort get above 210 :p

No you needed 210.8 at least

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Re: Class of 2011: ATAR and SS Discussion Thread
« Reply #235 on: December 20, 2011, 04:48:57 pm »
^WTF, so that's only possible by scaling, right?
That means in general this year's yr 12's were
the brightest its ever been...
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Re: Class of 2011: ATAR and SS Discussion Thread
« Reply #236 on: December 20, 2011, 04:51:30 pm »

the brightest its ever been...

I'd like to think so, but I think its just that we had some nice and needed spesh scaling

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Re: Class of 2011: ATAR and SS Discussion Thread
« Reply #237 on: December 20, 2011, 06:43:52 pm »
yeah so if the scaling report said your 30 went to 31, what really happened is your 30 went to 26, and then 5 was added onto that because the Government wants to encourage people to pick up a language :)

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Maybe the 30 went to 35 but then got scaled back down to 31
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Re: Class of 2011: ATAR and SS Discussion Thread
« Reply #238 on: December 20, 2011, 07:06:07 pm »
^The government is biased towards scaling up
'useful' foreign languages to enhance foreign
relationships. Thus, only relevant languages
(such as mandarin, japanese, indonesian, french
etc etc) get boosted higher.
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Re: Class of 2011: ATAR and SS Discussion Thread
« Reply #239 on: December 20, 2011, 07:25:41 pm »
. that's not what happens. it's +5 extra on all languages.