Why Medicine?

[Sellingman]

i aint explaining shit about correlation, i was just wdfing about how stupid that statement was

So we have two random Indian students who BOTH want to do medicine and you think parents aren't a factor?

Look at the acinod thread, nuff said.

lol they are twins, what do you expect? also iirc they are pakistani
Fairly sure the med cohort is much more diverse
either you're trolling or are very ... close-minded.. na can't think of the right word. Blunt perhaps

My point is that a lot of students pick medicine because of money and power. This is effectively why it is such a big deal in Asia because most people have such a huge lack of those two and medicine is a way to a good life. I never said all students who did medicine wanted money and power. I said there were a large amount of students of Asian decent trying to get in because their parents push them and a lot of students who want the prestige/money of it all. I think you'll find it hard to disagree with this based on the Acinod thread and the empathy many of you guys had.

[TrueTears]

I said there were a large amount of students of Asian decent trying to get in because their parents push them and a lot of students who want the prestige/money of it all.

Prove it? By proof I mean real statistical evidence, not some bs like:

I think you'll find it hard to disagree with this based on the Acinod thread and the empathy many of you guys had.

No I don't think that's very hard to disagree at all, that's one thread, on a VCE forum, in Victoria, Australia. Does that suffice to support the claim you made above? Don't think so.

[Sellingman]

http://www.academicleadership.org/article/Motivation_of_Asian_Americans_to_Study_Medicine_A_Pilot_Study

Done.

"There is a lot of just expectation of serving the family.” All interviewees agreed that Asians consider it important to get a college degree. One respondent stated that his mother and relatives “really push for school. School is the answer to everything; they believe that medicine is the surest way to make money, have prestige and be an important member of the community. It is more of a cultural thing – parents stress education a lot.”"

[pi]

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For a number of reasons, I guess I've always been a Science kid and furthermore, have always relished a challenge and a new learning experience in this field. Medicine does this for me, it is a dynamic field that is constantly mentally stimulating. This combined with the patient and colleague interactions, makes it the most challenging and interesting profession around. Additionally, any hesitations I had about Medicine immediately disappeared after my week at the RCH, the environment was simply inspiring, to say the least.

Yeh, so that's pretty much it

[dc302]

So where does it say 90% of high achieving asians want to do med, and where does it say 99% of students are doing it for their parents?

[nubs]

It is a pretty difficult thing to get in to, obviously, and those who have not got a clearly in score would indeed find it almost near impossible to get into through courses such as science at melbourne, and perhaps even more difficult if your umat result was not the best it could be.

wait, are you saying it's harder to get into medicine through Science than it is through Biomedicine?

EDIT:

I'm interested in medicine purely because I find the whole thing interesting, and gives me a vast range of specialisations. It seems as if the learning will NEVER stop, and I love knowledge when it's related to science and maths

Why not dentistry? It seems so narrow and particular, and I don't really find that aspect attractive or interesting.

Job security also comes into the mix, but it isn't a significant factor

[dc302]

It is a pretty difficult thing to get in to, obviously, and those who have not got a clearly in score would indeed find it almost near impossible to get into through courses such as science at melbourne, and perhaps even more difficult if your umat result was not the best it could be.

wait, are you saying it's harder to get into medicine through Science than it is through Biomedicine?

I think he is comparing grad entry to direct entry.

[Sellingman]

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For a number of reasons, I guess I've always been a Science kid and furthermore, have always relished a challenge and a new learning experience in this field. Medicine does this for me, it is a dynamic field that is constantly mentally stimulating. This combined with the patient and colleague interactions, makes it the most challenging and interesting profession around. Additionally, any hesitations I had about Medicine immediately disappeared after my week at the RCH, the environment was simply inspiring, to say the least.

Yeh, so that's pretty much it

OK, Can you honestly say your parents have never suggested that you study medicine?

Where did I say that 99% of students are doing it for parents? I said that I am 99% sure due to the fact that TWO separate individuals picked medicine without hesitation, I find it unlikely given that they could succeed in any field they wanted.

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[TrueTears]

http://www.academicleadership.org/article/Motivation_of_Asian_Americans_to_Study_Medicine_A_Pilot_Study

Done.

"There is a lot of just expectation of serving the family.” All interviewees agreed that Asians consider it important to get a college degree. One respondent stated that his mother and relatives “really push for school. School is the answer to everything; they believe that medicine is the surest way to make money, have prestige and be an important member of the community. It is more of a cultural thing – parents stress education a lot.”"

that's quite a nice journal you have there, however i'd like to point out something

did you ever bother to check out the sample size?

"The study target population consisted of 29 first and second year students self-identifying their race as “Asian.” The study sample consisted of 10 first year (M1) and second year (M2) Asian American medical students, comprising about one-third of the Asian American students in first or second year for the studied school. "

is that sufficient evidence to support your claim of

I said there were a large amount of students of Asian decent trying to get in because their parents push them and a lot of students who want the prestige/money of it all.

?

So I presume your definition of "large amount" of students of asian decent is comprised around 10 or so people?

nice... do the same survey in China and then see what you get


look man i agree to some of the points you've said, but some of the ridic statements that you made are just plain stupid lol


I end my argument here, as i feel like discussing this idea further makes me dumber, , f(x) my intelligence function and T the time I spend reading your claims.

[pi]

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For a number of reasons, I guess I've always been a Science kid and furthermore, have always relished a challenge and a new learning experience in this field. Medicine does this for me, it is a dynamic field that is constantly mentally stimulating. This combined with the patient and colleague interactions, makes it the most challenging and interesting profession around. Additionally, any hesitations I had about Medicine immediately disappeared after my week at the RCH, the environment was simply inspiring, to say the least.

Yeh, so that's pretty much it

OK, Can you honestly say your parents have never suggested that you study medicine?

Of course they have, what type of parent DOESN'T suggest career pathways for their children?

They also suggested (based on my interests) to become an engineer, actuary, science researcher and a dentist. I made my own decisions after that.

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[Starlight]

@ nirbaan. Nah not at all, I mean science and biomedicine are very similar according to the subjects you can take. Both would be equally as hard if you didn't have a clear chance to get in, I mean most students who go through either aiming to do medicine don't often get in. This topic has become somewhat taken out of proportion, through all the discussions arising from statistics to 'you're asian, therefore you'll probably do medicine'. My initial question was what was it that appealed to people, when a lot of factors can go against you, such as difficulty, and why other professions weren't as appealing in comparison.

[Starlight]

@dc302, i'm a girl lol.

[dc302]

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For a number of reasons, I guess I've always been a Science kid and furthermore, have always relished a challenge and a new learning experience in this field. Medicine does this for me, it is a dynamic field that is constantly mentally stimulating. This combined with the patient and colleague interactions, makes it the most challenging and interesting profession around. Additionally, any hesitations I had about Medicine immediately disappeared after my week at the RCH, the environment was simply inspiring, to say the least.

Yeh, so that's pretty much it

OK, Can you honestly say your parents have never suggested that you study medicine?

Where did I say that 99% of students are doing it for parents? I said that I am 99% sure due to the fact that TWO separate individuals picked medicine without hesitation, I find it unlikely given that they could succeed in any field they wanted.

Oh sorry, misread that about the 99%.

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[Sellingman]

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For a number of reasons, I guess I've always been a Science kid and furthermore, have always relished a challenge and a new learning experience in this field. Medicine does this for me, it is a dynamic field that is constantly mentally stimulating. This combined with the patient and colleague interactions, makes it the most challenging and interesting profession around. Additionally, any hesitations I had about Medicine immediately disappeared after my week at the RCH, the environment was simply inspiring, to say the least.

Yeh, so that's pretty much it

OK, Can you honestly say your parents have never suggested that you study medicine?

Where did I say that 99% of students are doing it for parents? I said that I am 99% sure due to the fact that TWO separate individuals picked medicine without hesitation, I find it unlikely given that they could succeed in any field they wanted.

Oh sorry, misread that about the 99%.

It's OK. pi, didn't you say in another thread you wanna do maths at University but your parents don't allow you?

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[Hellrocks]

In all fairness, I think sellingman is implying that there is such an underlying factor, but not the absolute determining factor. I do agree to an extent but I cannot say I am 99% sure.