MELBOURNE OR GRIFFITH? (HELP)

[paulsterio]

But with the increasing cutoffs to even make it into biomedicine of science, wouldn't that regulate the number of people doing these, and in effect regulate the number of people applying for medicine. Remember that 56% of the biomedicine cohort this year are SEAS applicants, and this number seems to keep rising, decreasing the actual competition to get into medicine. And most of the people from other biomedical science courses are again less competition as most/all of them would have had biomedicine at melbourne as a higher preference. So this actually leaves the better part of the biomedicine cohort at UoM as my competition, so around 150 people. So maybe its not as bleak as I or you may think.

So are you saying that just because someone is a SEAS applicant that they're somehow no match for you? I had a friend who's mum had breast cancer whilst he was in Year 12, so that emotionally affected him. He ended up getting a 96 whilst he could have gotten higher. So are you saying that just because he's SEAS that means that in Uni he won't be a match for you?

Also, you seem to have neglected the fact that there are people in Bachelor of Science as well. I had BSc on my preferences but not BBioMed, so you can't just assume that you're better than the people in BSc because you're in BBioMed.

Lastly, you seem to think that high ATAR = high GPA, sorry it isn't this way. It's not only GPA, but also GAMSAT and Interview, are you so sure that you'll be able to beat the others in the GAMSAT and the Interview? You seem to think that getting into graduate medicine is easy, but it's not, you're not only in competition with your own year, but also people from the year older who didn't get in the year before.

Btw, you seem to talk as if you have the best VCE marks around and will get into MD easily, a lot (if not most) of the BBioMed students will have similar (if not higher) scores. Again, those in BSc who are aiming for MD will have similar scores as well.

[Planck's constant]

I repeat.

A 90+ ATAR from an unrepresented school, say a government school in a low SES area, is massive. This kid would almost certainly have been a 99.9 ATAR anywhere else

I was given a chance to excel at school because my parents spent twice as much money on my education than the government spends on a government school kid. I benefited from a better standard of tuition and the resources/amenities of my school.

I aactually did my oral on this last year.
The median ATAR of a private school is 20 points higher than the median of a government school.
And private schools dominate admissions at the prestigeous courses at prestigeous universities.
This has nothing to do with talent and intelligence.
Thats why SEAS was started.
A fact.
 

[matt123]

I cannot understand how a medical science course at Griffith gains you 100% entry into med? is this just how it works?> what am i missing.

Personally .... I would go for Biomed at melb because I know that in the end of the day the best med course in australia is/will be Melbourne MD program and if had any greater opportunity to get into that i would take it.

If your intelligent enough , and work hard enough .. you will get into postgrad anyway...
Yes postgrad is extremely competitive .. but i guess it will prove if your set out to be a doctor anyway. If you clearly study hard and dont get the required gamsat , gpa or interview requirement then maybe your not set out to study med in the end of the day.

If i was you , i would have confidence that i would get into med one way or the other and go for MD at melbourne uni.
+ the resources you get at melb uni are astounding ... many many of my friends who did biomed at melb got into med first time around. so give it a shot

thats my 2cents.
goodluck.

[Planck's constant]

If i was you , i would have confidence that i would get into med one way or the other and go for MD at melbourne uni.

Spot on.
If there is one thing that is coming out loud and clear in these kinds of threads, its a distinct lack of confidence and fear of competition.
Its as if people are scared that they peaked in Year 11 ... lol


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[Ravit]

^totally agree.

[thushan]

TheLimz. Something just occurred to me. Why not just take Griffith undergraduate? Finish the two year Medical Science course then sit the GAMSAT and try and get into melbourne MD? If you don't get in you have guaranteed MBBS at Griffith and you get into med either way.

[Russ]

TheLimz. Something just occurred to me. Why not just take Griffith undergraduate? Finish the two year Medical Science course then sit the GAMSAT and try and get into melbourne MD? If you don't get in you have guaranteed MBBS at Griffith and you get into med either way.

I might be wrong here, but no, you can't do this because you have to throw away any other medical course in order to be considered for the GEMSAS match

[matt123]

TheLimz. Something just occurred to me. Why not just take Griffith undergraduate? Finish the two year Medical Science course then sit the GAMSAT and try and get into melbourne MD? If you don't get in you have guaranteed MBBS at Griffith and you get into med either way.

I might be wrong here, but no, you can't do this because you have to throw away any other medical course in order to be considered for the GEMSAS match

Pretty sure that's correct.

just be confident in your abilities.
all the best of luck.

[jane1234]

TheLimz. Something just occurred to me. Why not just take Griffith undergraduate? Finish the two year Medical Science course then sit the GAMSAT and try and get into melbourne MD? If you don't get in you have guaranteed MBBS at Griffith and you get into med either way.

Because with provisional entry your undergrad degree (ie Medical Science) isn't completed until the end of the MBBS degree (as the MBBS subjects count for electives of the med science course). Medical Science is a 3 year degree, it just takes 2 years to complete because of the was the MBBS subjects count for it. MD (and every other graduate program) requires the completion of an undergrad degree for entry. I'm pretty sure that's how it is anyway...

[stonecold]

I got a first round offer for biomedicine at Uni of Melb, but now, today I received an offer for Medical science at Griffith with a basically guaranteed MBBS. I don't know which one to pick now, because graduate medicine at Melbourne is very hard to get into, but I like the prestige, whereas Griffith is 6 years all up and I will have an MBBS. What to do?

I faced this exact same situation last year.  Ended up at Melbourne because:
-It is one of the best med schools, whilst Griffith as a uni isn't that great
-You get 4 goes at GAMSAT for MD at Melb...which will give you enough chances
-Couldn't really afford to move out of home
-Melbourne gave me a scholarship
-MBBS at Griffith could be bonded if your GPA is in the bottom quarter of the cohort
-It is difficult to do your internship in Victoria if your degree is from interstate

Make our own choice, but for me the above reasons pretty much made the decision a lot easier.

[stonecold]

TheLimz. Something just occurred to me. Why not just take Griffith undergraduate? Finish the two year Medical Science course then sit the GAMSAT and try and get into melbourne MD? If you don't get in you have guaranteed MBBS at Griffith and you get into med either way.

I might be wrong here, but no, you can't do this because you have to throw away any other medical course in order to be considered for the GEMSAS match

This was certainly possible, but deeply frowned upon by Griffith.  They might have patched up the loophole by now.

TheLimz. Something just occurred to me. Why not just take Griffith undergraduate? Finish the two year Medical Science course then sit the GAMSAT and try and get into melbourne MD? If you don't get in you have guaranteed MBBS at Griffith and you get into med either way.

Because with provisional entry your undergrad degree (ie Medical Science) isn't completed until the end of the MBBS degree (as the MBBS subjects count for electives of the med science course). Medical Science is a 3 year degree, it just takes 2 years to complete because of the was the MBBS subjects count for it. MD (and every other graduate program) requires the completion of an undergrad degree for entry. I'm pretty sure that's how it is anyway...

This is the case at UQ however not at Griffith.  The BMedSc is accelerated and you get it after two years.

[paulsterio]

-You get 4 goes at GAMSAT for MD at Melb...which will give you enough chances

With graduate entry, are you allowed to sit the GAMSAT after you've completed the BBioMed/BSc.

Ok so for example, my final year of BSc is 2012, so I applied to start MD in 2013, but I don't get in. Could I sit the GAMSAT again in 2013 and apply for the 2014 MD cohort...etc. and technically keep doing this until I get in?

[jasrulz63]

You sure can. You can keep trying until your undergraduate degree becomes too old to apply for the postgraduate degree.

[matt123]

-You get 4 goes at GAMSAT for MD at Melb...which will give you enough chances

With graduate entry, are you allowed to sit the GAMSAT after you've completed the BBioMed/BSc.

Ok so for example, my final year of BSc is 2012, so I applied to start MD in 2013, but I don't get in. Could I sit the GAMSAT again in 2013 and apply for the 2014 MD cohort...etc. and technically keep doing this until I get in?

I believe so.

[matt123]

You sure can. You can keep trying until your undergraduate degree becomes too old.

which i think is generally 9 years?