Memory based - Rote learning subjects?

[binders]

Thanks for clearing that up about what 'more' means specialist, i'd been confused up until now.
So you're saying that a humanities subject with a minuscule amount of rote-learning involved,
would still have more rote-learning than say, specialist maths?
so specialist maths has less than a minuscule amount of rote-learning?
what's less than minuscule? none?

[Special At Specialist]

Thanks for clearing that up about what 'more' means specialist, i'd been confused up until now.
So you're saying that a humanities subject with a minuscule amount of rote-learning involved,
would still have more rote-learning than say, specialist maths?
so specialist maths has less than a minuscule amount of rote-learning?
what's less than minuscule? none?

All I'm saying is that the old "no subject is memory-based" post is not very helpful. Clearly some subjects are more memory-based than others. And I believe that most, if not all, VCE humanities subjects can be done well using the method of rote-learning.

[Jdog]

Thanks for clearing that up about what 'more' means specialist, i'd been confused up until now.
So you're saying that a humanities subject with a minuscule amount of rote-learning involved,
would still have more rote-learning than say, specialist maths?
so specialist maths has less than a minuscule amount of rote-learning?
what's less than minuscule? none?

All I'm saying is that the old "no subject is memory-based" post is not very helpful. Clearly some subjects are more memory-based than others. And I believe that most, if not all, VCE humanities subjects can be done well using the method of rote-learning.

sweet mate.

have you completed VCE yet?

If not, then how have you formed your opinion. Have you done well in a humanities 3/4 VCE subject via this approach?

[Tashi]

Any humanities subject is basically rote learning. Also consider Biology, Psychology, Legal Studies, Business Management, Economics and Human Health and Development (among others).

Economics, definitely not. Just saying.

[pi]

Pretty much any LOTE (obviously you have to learn the grammar as well, but the majority of LOTE is just testing your memory).

Actually I changed my mind. I think humanities subjects are more memory based.

LOTEs? I haven't done a LOTE at a VCE level, but I can't see one "rote-learning" for an oral component of an exam or SAC...

Could be wrong though :O

[paulsterio]

All I'm saying is that the old "no subject is memory-based" post is not very helpful. Clearly some subjects are more memory-based than others. And I believe that most, if not all, VCE humanities subjects can be done well using the method of rote-learning.

Have you done most, if not all, VCE humanities subjects?

LOTEs? I haven't done a LOTE at a VCE level, but I can't see one "rote-learning" for an oral component of an exam or SAC...
Could be wrong though :O

Haven't done a LOTE at VCE level, but I'm comfortably billingual, almost as fluent in my second language as English, can speak, read, write fluently.
And my opinion is that LOTEs are not rote-learning, you have to be able to understand and think it, as well as having an intuition to some extent, it's hard to explain.

[aes_999]

Pretty much any LOTE (obviously you have to learn the grammar as well, but the majority of LOTE is just testing your memory).

Actually I changed my mind. I think humanities subjects are more memory based.

LOTEs? I haven't done a LOTE at a VCE level, but I can't see one "rote-learning" for an oral component of an exam or SAC...

Could be wrong though :O

I think you're wrong.  I rote learned the bulk of my information for the main topic, and also the general convo.
If I didn't, I would spew up so much random stuff that's irrelevant to the oral.

[pi]

Pretty much any LOTE (obviously you have to learn the grammar as well, but the majority of LOTE is just testing your memory).

Actually I changed my mind. I think humanities subjects are more memory based.

LOTEs? I haven't done a LOTE at a VCE level, but I can't see one "rote-learning" for an oral component of an exam or SAC...

Could be wrong though :O

I think you're wrong.  I rote learned the bulk of my information for the main topic, and also the general convo.
If I didn't, I would spew up so much random stuff that's irrelevant to the oral.

But you had first hand Indo experience before VCE

[aes_999]

Yeah, true. Rote learning LOTE is only possible if you've had loads of exp. Speaking of exp., what's the level of ur black pikachu?

[pi]

Yeah, true. Rote learning LOTE is only possible if you've had loads of exp. Speaking of exp., what's the level of ur black pikachu?

Yeah, that sound reasonable. I can't see any LOTEs being easily rote-learnt without much prior first-hand experience (other than the Latin, Ancient Hebrews - and that too only to an extent!).

Offtopic: Level

[Russ]

All I'm saying is that the old "no subject is memory-based" post is not very helpful. Clearly some subjects are more memory-based than others. And I believe that most, if not all, VCE humanities subjects can be done well using the method of rote-learning.

Feel free to believe whatever you want

[nacho]

I did legal studies, found that involved a lot of memorisation, might be the type of subject you are looking at

[Mech]

Philosophy is a humanities subject and I'm doing that. And what I said was that humanities is not 100% rote-learning, but it is more memory-based than other subjects such as specialist maths.

You must be doing very poorly in a subject that requires you to take arguments and critically analyse them and so forth. That takes a lot of independent thought, and it is very rare that a question will purely ask for you to outline the argument in almost syllogistic fashion. If you do, it is worth a measly (small; comparatively less than normal or big and not "more" but "less" than normal) couple of marks on the exam to show you know the basics of Descartes, Weil, Aristotle, Plato, Nietzsche, Hume or whatever (if you have not realised, I did the philosophy course and I am pretty much revolted to think someone takes the course thinking it is rote learning).

"more" is a comparative word, comparing two events. For example, I could say that an unemployed Australian has more money than a famine victim. That doesn't mean that the unemployed Australian has lots of money, it just means that, when compared to the famine victim, he would be considered 'rich'.

Similarly, a humanities subject is more rote-learning than specialist maths. That doesn't mean it involves heaps of rote-learning. Infact, it could even involve only a miniscule amount of rote-learning. But it still has more.

How do you come to this conclusion? Quantitatively? Did you sit down and analyse the subjects and what is considered "rote" and what is "free thought"? Don't be silly. Mathematics is formulaic and it takes application of this knowledge you can learn by rote; the same applies for history and philosophy etcetera. You learn dates or the premises and context of things and then you are asked to critically evaluate, compare and justify your arguments. I know a lot of people who took History Revolutions and Specialist and a lot said History Revolutions was the harder examination; it requires a lot of effort and a lot of creative thought if you want to get full marks on the exam. Regurgitating facts here and there is cool, but they also want analysis or application of your knowledge. To pick on subjects like History, Literature and Philosophy as rote learning, is absurd. If you want to pick on some weak science subjects like biology and psychology, be my guest. Even legal studies, but that does require some higher order thinking.

Also, your cock-eyed use of a dictionary was either you attempting to be condescending or a desperate attempt to fill your post with more than an empty, naive belief.

EDIT: I have been informed I was wrong about biology; apparently the exam involves a lot of application of the knowledge. Some would argue that requires some free thought beyond rote learning. I always thought it was comparable to psychology, but apparently that is not the case and I was misinformed.

[Mariammm]

This thread is just cock jousting

your cock-eyed use

You sure like to make expressions out of that word Mech 
(just kidding)

[Truck]

This thread is just cock jousting

your cock-eyed use

You sure like to make expressions out of that word Mech 
(just kidding)

Definitely a valid observation, gotta say it's one of the more enjoyable aspects of his posts though .