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Soccerboi's questions thread
« on: May 24, 2012, 06:51:29 pm »
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Hey guys i have few questions i need clarification on:
1. Is it correct to call the CH3 group when it's at the end of a hydrocarbon chain a methyl functional group?

2. When asked to write an equation for a reaction and it doesn't specify whether to write it in structural,semi-structural or molecular form, which form should we do it in?

3. When writing semi structural formulas, must we indicate the double bond? e.g ethene as CH2=CH2 or is it fine to just write it as CH2CH2?

4. When drawing the structural formula of a compound with NH2 group, do we need to draw a dash attached to the N to indicate that there's room for one more Hydrogen?
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Re: Soccerboi's questions thread
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2012, 07:01:39 pm »
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1. I believe its right not sure though but it came up on one of the solutions for a practice exam.

2. When not specified, you can't really go wrong with molecular or semi structural formula. Structural formula would be... unneeded :)

3. I think you mean semi structural formula. And I've seen solutions with the double bond in, and some without. Not too sure on this one.

4. No
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Re: Soccerboi's questions thread
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2012, 07:12:02 pm »
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1. It's not, because that carbon would either be a part of the longest chain, or it would be part of an ethyl, propyl, butyl chain, etc.

3. You don't have to indicate double bonds, but make sure you get the number of hydrogens and other substituents on unsaturated carbons correct.

4. How is there room for one more hydrogen?
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Re: Soccerboi's questions thread
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2012, 07:17:55 pm »
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4. How is there room for one more hydrogen?

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Re: Soccerboi's questions thread
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2012, 08:39:52 pm »
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I thought that was what you meant. I don't know if 'room for one more hydrogen' is the best way to describe it...

But either way, no, you do not need to add a line.
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Re: Soccerboi's questions thread
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2012, 08:57:56 pm »
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Ah alright thanks for the replies.

Also,If a theory question is say worth 2 marks, and we've made 2 correct point but 1 wrong point, do we lose a mark for the wrong point despite having 2 correct points?
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Re: Soccerboi's questions thread
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2012, 09:56:21 pm »
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If your overall contention is correct, you will get 1 mark, if you say something false, you will lose a mark, as it shows that your knowledge isn't actually sound.
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Re: Soccerboi's questions thread
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2012, 08:07:04 pm »
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My memory needs refreshment.

1. Do the endpoint and equivalence point of a titration always coincide or are there cases where they don't? And by coincide do they mean occur at the exact same point or just roughly close to each other?

2. When selecting an appropriate indicator, do we select one that corresponds to a ph range anywhere on the vertical region of the graph or does it have to be at the midpoint of the vertical region?

Also, 3. How do you write the reaction between NaOH and oxygen?
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Re: Soccerboi's questions thread
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2012, 08:31:16 pm »
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My memory needs refreshment.

1. Do the endpoint and equivalence point of a titration always coincide or are there cases where they don't? And by coincide do they mean occur at the exact same point or just roughly close to each other?

2. When selecting an appropriate indicator, do we select one that corresponds to a ph range anywhere on the vertical region of the graph or does it have to be at the midpoint of the vertical region?

Also, 3. How do you write the reaction between NaOH and oxygen?

1. The end point and the equivalence point are different things. The equivalence point is the point at which reaction has actually completed. The end point, however, is the visual cue indicating that the equivalence point is achieved (e.g. indicator changing colour). Thus, the end point always occurs after the equivalence point; the end point is the result of adding, say, a little more acid than at equivalence, which thus alters the pH such that the indicator will change colour. Generally, the difference between the end point and equivalence point is very small because of the large change in pH generated by the addition of a single drop of whatever you're titrating.

2. Anywhere in the vertical region is fine. The equivalence point point does occur in the middle, but - again - the idea is that in a single drop you will most likely span the entire range of that vertical region, so it doesn't matter where on that region coincides with the indicator range.

3. Hmm NaOH and oxygen? Is this in relation to why it cannot be a primary standard? If so, you may rather be looking for its deliquescence (absorption of moisture) or its absorption of CO2 (as opposed to oxygen).
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Re: Soccerboi's questions thread
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2012, 08:55:19 pm »
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3. Hmm NaOH and oxygen? Is this in relation to why it cannot be a primary standard? If so, you may rather be looking for its deliquescence (absorption of moisture) or its absorption of CO2 (as opposed to oxygen).

Well, i saw on a practice exam, where they asked "Why does a solution of sodium hydroxide need to be standardized? Give an equation to tour response."

they gave the reaction between NaOH and CO2, so i was just curious on how to write the reaction for NaOH and O2.

Oh wait... I think i meant the reaction between NaOH and moisture(water), nevermind, i got it, NaOH simply dissociates right?

And thanks for the concise explanations :)
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Re: Soccerboi's questions thread
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2012, 08:57:50 pm »
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Also, is a double bond considered as a functional group? one of the solutions to a prac exam circled a double bond as a functional group.. so i'm a bit confused about this.
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Re: Soccerboi's questions thread
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2012, 09:17:46 pm »
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Also, is a double bond considered as a functional group? one of the solutions to a prac exam circled a double bond as a functional group.. so i'm a bit confused about this.

Ehhhhh if you mean a carbon-carbon double bond, I would say no, although I will confess I am not completely certain of the IUPAC stance on the matter. Something like a ketone, though, definitely counts as a functional group.
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Re: Soccerboi's questions thread
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2012, 09:49:25 pm »
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Also, is a double bond considered as a functional group? one of the solutions to a prac exam circled a double bond as a functional group.. so i'm a bit confused about this.

TSFX counts multiple bonds as a functional group- and I guess it makes sense because it does change its properties to an extent

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Re: Soccerboi's questions thread
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2012, 10:11:04 pm »
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Also, is a double bond considered as a functional group? one of the solutions to a prac exam circled a double bond as a functional group.. so i'm a bit confused about this.

Ehhhhh if you mean a carbon-carbon double bond, I would say no, although I will confess I am not completely certain of the IUPAC stance on the matter. Something like a ketone, though, definitely counts as a functional group.
From memory, the answers circled the carbon carbon double bond on a benzene ring and called it an alkene functional group.
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Re: Soccerboi's questions thread
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2012, 10:13:07 pm »
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What's an aromatic proton? is it the hydrogen around a benzene ring?
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