Monash Medicine Question

[WhoTookMyUsername]

after searching for something else, i came across this on the monash faculty website for medicine

Prerequisites for Year 12 students

Students studying Year 12 are required to obtain a study score equivalent to at least 35 in English (ESL) or 30 in any other English and a study score of at least 30 in Chemistry in VCE (or equivalent) with the ATAR floor of 90. However, to be competitive, results need to be at least equivalent to an ATAR of 95 or above, be at least equal to or greater than 3 A's at "A Level" including an A for Chemistry, IB results of 39 overall or greater or a MUFY overall score of 355 or greater.
For students who have not studied Year 12 Biology, the Faculty provides a bridging program.

http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/central/requirements.html

What is this referring to? Does that mean chemistry SS is weighted more than other SS's and is looked at separately of ATAR?

They've abolished the ATAR+UMAT interview round now

I asked a representative at the careers expo at our school.  She said it was because they didn't get enough good applicants that fell into that category, which is kind of stupid because I'm sure a large number of people were in that situation. I don't have a link though.
There's second round if you get a 99.95 and maybe a 99.90.

Has anyone heard about this? I'm a bit skeptical of it (for reasons i listed in that thread) but i would like to be sure

thanks

[pi]

A-Level refers to Advanced Level General Certificate of Education, not SS afaik.

[WhoTookMyUsername]

A-Level refers to Advanced Level General Certificate of Education, not SS afaik.

as in the britain one?
feels a bit strange for monash to pop that in there so specifically without mentioning any other countries (and in the "year 12 students" section)

[pi]

as in the britain one?
feels a bit strange for monash to pop that in there so specifically without mentioning any other countries (and in the "year 12 students" section)

Yeah, it's in England and a bunch  of other countries, just like the IB and MUFY are too (MUFY is for intl students in Monash). They're just catering for their common international students too

[WhoTookMyUsername]

ahk yeah makes sense now.

Would be nice if anyone had information regarding the second q!
After looking at monash "key dates" it does appear they only have 1 period of interviews ATM, though maybe that's because second round is in 2013 not 2012

[pi]

Traditionally the second round of interviews (until last year) was just for those with 99.90+ ATARs. We'll just have to wait and see, but at the moment, it looks like it's back to that system.


edit: a possible reason for that was that they couldn't find enough people to fit the criteria, from memory they gave 90 of these interviews, but aimed for 100.

[pi]

Official response:

Hello pi,
 
Thank you for your enquiry. Interviews in January will be offered to highly ranked scholarship recipients that meet criteria that is very similar to the UMAT/ATAR interviews offered last year. We will release more information in time for Open Day, 5 August 2012.

What I can gather to this is that as the refer to "scholarship", they probably mean only the 99.90+ ATAR folk (as scholarships are pretty hard to get), but, you never know. That's just my reading of this.

So my tip would be to head down to the lecture by Prof Wayne Hodgson on Open Day to get the up-to-date facts on this Hopefully for you guys, it's still on the cards

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[Kaushik]

If that was the case do you reckon they'll lower UMAT scores required for 1st round offers VegemitePi?

[pi]

If that was the case do you reckon they'll lower UMAT scores required for 1st round offers VegemitePi?

Yep, I'm guessing ~92%ile (overall 63), it was ~91%ile before last year, but as always, expect an increase as the years go on.

[jmosh002]

If that was the case do you reckon they'll lower UMAT scores required for 1st round offers VegemitePi?

Yep, I'm guessing ~92%ile (overall 63), it was ~91%ile before last year, but as always, expect an increase as the years go on.

By 2015 do you think it will get back up to (195) 95%ile?

[pi]

If that was the case do you reckon they'll lower UMAT scores required for 1st round offers VegemitePi?

Yep, I'm guessing ~92%ile (overall 63), it was ~91%ile before last year, but as always, expect an increase as the years go on.

By 2015 do you think it will get back up to (195) 95%ile?

Probably not that high, unless there is a dramatic increase of applicants for the UMAT (hence each percentile will have more people and hence the percentile cut rises too).

[IndefatigableLover]

If that was the case do you reckon they'll lower UMAT scores required for 1st round offers VegemitePi?

Yep, I'm guessing ~92%ile (overall 63), it was ~91%ile before last year, but as always, expect an increase as the years go on.

By 2015 do you think it will get back up to (195) 95%ile?

Probably not that high, unless there is a dramatic increase of applicants for the UMAT (hence each percentile will have more people and hence the percentile cut rises too).

... Damn this is making me anxious about the next few years :S
And about the dramatic increase of applicants.. how many would you say? About 500-1000 more?

[pi]

If that was the case do you reckon they'll lower UMAT scores required for 1st round offers VegemitePi?

Yep, I'm guessing ~92%ile (overall 63), it was ~91%ile before last year, but as always, expect an increase as the years go on.

By 2015 do you think it will get back up to (195) 95%ile?

Probably not that high, unless there is a dramatic increase of applicants for the UMAT (hence each percentile will have more people and hence the percentile cut rises too).

... Damn this is making me anxious about the next few years :S
And about the dramatic increase of applicants.. how many would you say? About 500-1000 more?

I'd have no idea, but the number of applicants is always increasing. So by the time you're in yr12 (2015), they'd be a fair few more than when I did (2011). Now that pharm has dropped the UMAT, there may be less people sitting it for that reason, but the number for med increases every year nationally.

Official response:

Hello pi,
 
Thank you for your enquiry. Interviews in January will be offered to highly ranked scholarship recipients that meet criteria that is very similar to the UMAT/ATAR interviews offered last year. We will release more information in time for Open Day, 5 August 2012.

What I can gather to this is that as the refer to "scholarship", they probably mean only the 99.90+ ATAR folk (as scholarships are pretty hard to get), but, you never know. That's just my reading of this.

So my tip would be to head down to the lecture by Prof Wayne Hodgson on Open Day to get the up-to-date facts on this Hopefully for you guys, it's still on the cards

"very similar UMAT/ATAR interviews offered lst year?

The "scholarship" interviews will be similar, ie. ATAR = 99.95, UMAT = good enough (pretty much anything half-decent if you have 99.95). From what I gather, there are no more UMAT/ATAR interviews unless you are in line for that 99.95 scholarship.

[paulsterio]

It's actually 99.95, pi, not 99.90+ as you said before.

Anyways, I think the UMAT cut-off won't be below 94th percentile this year, for our year, I know that some people got really high ATARs and managed to get interviews with UMATs around the 91st/92nd percentile (I don't know anyone at all in med with a UMAT below 90th percentile).

My prediction would be 94th percentile to get an interview purely because last year, they offered 3/4s of their interview places on UMAT only and that was 95-96th percetile, so the 1/4 remaining would push it down to around 94th percentile.

But rather than look at the percentile you need to get an interview, I'd say you'd be safer looking at the percentile to be at an advantage. What you don't want to do is be at a disadvantage in any of the three categories, UMAT, ATAR and interview.

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[pi]

It's actually 99.95, pi, not 99.90+ as you said before.

Wow that is a big change! Man hopefully it doesn't mean 99.90+ 

I've just found out that scholarships are actually 99.95, so not even 99.90 will cut it unfortunately.

Got it Paul, got it

(I don't know anyone at all in med with a UMAT below 90th percentile).

I know plenty of rural kids, but also a couple of metro ones with UMATs at 88-89%ile.


I think 94%ile is still pretty high, I stand by the 92%ile range imo, it was a huge jump from 2010 to 2011, it'll go down to just above 2010 levels imo.