view on evolution?

[????]

Finished unit 4 bio and I would just like to get a generally idea on what people think about it.

[Lolly]

Bahahahah

This could be fun.

[Lolly]

I'll comment in the morning.

[aes_999]

inb4 someone turns this to a religious debate...AGAIN.
I'm just going to say this: don't escalate things.
In fact, don't raise any religion vs science rant here.
Ppl, pls.

[ninwa]

I think it's the best explanation we have at the moment. That said I don't know much about it beyond what little information can be gained from a cursory glance at Wikipedia and VCE biology 3/4.

Also, taking bets on how many pages this thread gets to before it has to be locked. I'm putting $10 on page 3

[brenden]

To be honest I'm not hugely educated on the topic but I accept it as true. Sort of like the Dinorawrs. There was a small portion of Richard Dawkins' "God Delusion" that touched on it and meme cells and there was a really cool Simpsons episode beginner that showed the evolution of Homer. That's the extent of my knowledge, I still (perhaps sadly) believe/accept it without doing my own research.
I don't think this thread will be locked. I have faith in you, forum-dwellers.

[Lolly]

Honestly, the Science vs Religion debate is so old it's not funny. It's not worth arguing over anymore, simply because the fundamentalist adherents to either science or religion are the only people who bother. They are, however, amusing to watch.  IMHO, coming from a Christian background, the two perspectives don't really contradict each other.

[b^3]

... there was a really cool Simpsons episode beginner that showed the evolution of Homer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faRlFsYmkeY#t=0m6s

[DarkHorse]

I think it's the best explanation we have at the moment. That said I don't know much about it beyond what little information can be gained from a cursory glance at Wikipedia and VCE biology 3/4.

Also, taking bets on how many pages this thread gets to before it has to be locked. I'm putting $10 on page 3

Haha 3 is a really good bet...but I reckon 2 will take it for this one, since it is pretty quite so far. 

[slothpomba]

Also, taking bets on how many pages this thread gets to before it has to be locked. I'm putting $100 on page 3

Deal. I pay $1.01 .

Lets not get into religion though... it's never a proper dialogue/debate and both sides have no idea how to do these things.

That said, a lot of religions are fine with evolution, including the catholic church.

It doesn't need to necessarily be science verses religion either, you could disagree on evolution on other grounds. It is a scientific idea, not rigid dogma, so, of course its open to discussion. There are a fair few cosmologists who believe in alternative models to the big bang for instance. Going to have a tough time though considering the mountains of evidence we have and it is really one of the most well supported scientific theories out there.

[Thu Thu Train]

Lets not get into religion though... it's never a proper dialogue/debate and both sides have no idea how to do these things.

I agree.

That said, a lot of religions are fine with evolution, including the catholic church.

wat.

[slothpomba]

wat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

Some snippets:

The Church has deferred to scientists on matters such as the age of the earth and the authenticity of the fossil record. Papal pronouncements, along with commentaries by cardinals, have accepted the findings of scientists on the gradual appearance of life. In fact, the International Theological Commission in a July 2004 statement endorsed by Cardinal Ratzinger, then president of the Commission and head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, now Pope Benedict XVI, includes this paragraph:

According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the 'Big Bang' and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5–4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution.

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In addition, while he was the Vatican's chief astronomer, Fr. George Coyne, issued a statement on 18 November 2005 saying that "Intelligent design isn't science even though it pretends to be. If you want to teach it in schools, intelligent design should be taught when religion or cultural history is taught, not science." Cardinal Paul Poupard added that "the faithful have the obligation to listen to that which secular modern science has to offer, just as we ask that knowledge of the faith be taken in consideration as an expert voice in humanity." He also warned of the permanent lesson we have learned from the Galileo affair, and that "we also know the dangers of a religion that severs its links with reason and becomes prey to fundamentalism."

[abeybaby]

it has to be true to some extent, why else do we have asians looking different to indians or arabs or caucasians? the environment must influence your physiology to a certain extent, and whats to say that over several million years the same species may have different attributes? but the more i learn about the human body, the more impossible it feels that the body could EVER result from a random occurrence....
just my personal feelings
p.s., still christian, still hold the belief that God created man etc. etc.

[slothpomba]

What if i were to tell you God designing us is actually the less defensible alternative in terms of being religious?

[Zidane]

it has to be true to some extent, why else do we have asians looking different to indians or arabs or caucasians? the environment must influence your physiology to a certain extent, and whats to say that over several million years the same species may have different attributes? but the more i learn about the human body, the more impossible it feels that the body could EVER result from a random occurrence....
just my personal feelings
p.s., still christian, still hold the belief that God created man etc. etc.

What if i were to tell you God designing us is actually the less defensible alternative in terms of being religious?

hahaha couldnt resist