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Author Topic: To get a high mark in the context piece, do you have to be very creative?  (Read 9212 times)  Share 

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"I consider myself an artistic writer as I am terrible at expository, and when I even try persuasive my pieces are not balanced (as I sit on my own polemic and act as if I am a dictator....). "

There is nothing wrong with that. There is nothing wrong with being different. Don't get sucked in by today's conformist culture. I think we have reached a point, where the fiction can be dispensed with completely, and that candid acknowledgements be made with respect to the differences that exist with human values and beliefs. General rule is to critique the idea, but don't vilify the person who holds it.

Again, I think a large part of being creative is the ability to let go of certainties, and instead learn to question and reflect. Find that critical spot in you, work your guts out and while people may disagree with your ideas, never give them enough space to be critical of the fact that you are in any way, inferior to them.
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"I consider myself an artistic writer as I am terrible at expository, and when I even try persuasive my pieces are not balanced (as I sit on my own polemic and act as if I am a dictator....). "

There is nothing wrong with that. There is nothing wrong with being different. Don't get sucked in by today's conformist culture. I think we have reached a point, where the fiction can be dispensed with completely, and that candid acknowledgements be made with respect to the differences that exist with human values and beliefs. General rule is to critique the idea, but don't vilify the person who holds it.

Again, I think a large part of being creative is the ability to let go of certainties, and instead learn to question and reflect. Find that critical spot in you, work your guts out and while people may disagree with your ideas, never give them enough space to be critical of the fact that you are in any way, inferior to them.

OFFTOPIC: Btw, if you want to quote, hit the quote button on the side of the comment. It'll be a bit easier to follow that way:)

ON TOPIC: Yes I know. I'm not getting sucked into expository writing or persuasive (unless it improves!) for that matter. I'm just a creative thinker. I love writing stories, and that is what I am good at. I just was wondering of ideas that could help my pieces become more creative... Like writing styles that I could use to polish off a great piece with its ideas?
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So you are saying, if there is two ten out of ten pieces, one a creative and another an expository, then they are both equally good? Well, that logic doesn't work because we all know the standard marking is that every piece is marked from a scale of a 10, or a 100, or whatever. Both may deserve the mark of a 10/10 in the given cohort, but that does not mean both pieces are equal in quality.

No, the logical assumption is that two pieces which receive a 10/10 will generally be of the same quality.

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"furthermore, why does Expository continue to be popular amongst students if it's that hard to score well in."
Because it is more accessible and perhaps because writing a good creative which links to the prompt and the ideas which it requires is just too damn difficult under one hour. Why do you think most ESL students pick Expository in the exam? Because it is relatively easy to write a decent expository, than it is to write a decent creative. And why? Because creative pieces usually need more thought, and therefore more time, and it is more demanding in the language department. Why is that so? Perhaps, in part, it is because of the culture, or the era where we live in, a time where students are more comfortable with consistent, formulaic and systemic type assessments.

Well if writing a good creative is more difficult, then you have just contradicted yourself, because it, hence, might actually be easier to write a 10/10 expository piece - according to your logic. I disagree, creative pieces do not necessarily require more thought. They require a different type of thinking, yes, but not more thought. If you want to write a good expository piece - i.e. a 10/10 piece - you would have to put much thought into that as well.

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" Just because your tutor told you something doesn't mean that it's true. "
Honestly, I don't know where you are heading. If you want to go to the philosophy bit about truth and knowledge and start question your very existence, that is one thing. But from my knowledge, this is an advice thread, and we give advice as we see fit- as best and as honestly as we can. Like I have said before, I have only given a strong expression of my honest opinion.

What I'm trying to say is that we "hear" a lot of things, I can tell you that writing an expository piece is better, but that doesn't mean that what I've said is necessarily true. The direction in which I am heading is that when we say something, we should source it - especially advice - because somebody might read what you wrote and believe that what you said is true, even though it might have been possibly for you (or your tutor) to have just made it up - because you didn't provide any sources.

For controversial things such as this, it's always best to provide some sort of source - either from Assessment Reports, Assessors themselves...etc.

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"In my view and according to what I've read (Assessor's Reports...etc.) you should choose the form you are most comfortable writing with."
You said it yourself, and I agree. You just answered your previous question. They are more comfortable with it, however, as a consequence, the competition is likely to be stronger to write a standout expository piece.

No, pieces are marked against all other pieces in general, not just out of their own specific type. For example, your piece might be a very good creative piece, but if there are heaps more expository pieces better than yours, you still won't get that 10/10. The sample space is all context pieces not just context pieces of your particular type - or are you lacking the mathematical understanding to comprehend the point which I am trying to make?

What you should be aiming for, however, is to write a standout piece in general, not a standout creative or standout expository piece. This is because expository pieces are compared to creative pieces during marking, they aren't separated. Furthermore, assessors give out 10/10 according to criterion, not how much you stand out, thus, you should be looking at the form with which you will write best. I have written both expository pieces and creative pieces on SACs in the past, and I have done equally well in both - so I am by no means biased towards any particular form. I just have issues with what you are advising.

ON TOPIC: Yes I know. I'm not getting sucked into expository writing or persuasive (unless it improves!) for that matter. I'm just a creative thinker. I love writing stories, and that is what I am good at. I just was wondering of ideas that could help my pieces become more creative... Like writing styles that I could use to polish off a great piece with its ideas?

My advice would be to try and analyse books which you think show good creativity and artistic writing. Also you should separate ideas and technical writing. First of all, in order to write a good creative story, you need to have good ideas. So you need to brainstorm and imagine scenarios about your context. This involves time and a lot of thinking.

In terms of technical writing, I think using concise and accurate words is important, so is using nice sentence structure. You want your essay to be easily read! But yeah, I just try to model my own writing off good authors. That's what I've done in the past and it's worked for me.

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I personally find creative writing a lot easier than expository. With creative writing there's a certain freedom to let yourself go and just put thought into words without worrying about the weight of each sentence, because no one can really dispute what you've written. It's not necessarily more difficult to write a creative piece in a short period of time than an expository piece either, because there's more to worry about in terms of structure and sequencing of ideas with the latter, which means you have to be careful in how you build your analysis (or exposition).

The reason that I choose to write expository pieces rather than creative for context, however, is that with creative pieces how the piece will be received by the examiner is more subjective and less assured. Plus I believe that my best expository pieces would be better than my best creative pieces. If you read a high scoring expository response the things that stand out are the complexity of ideas and language, the structure and flow of ideas and depth of analysis. Some students are able to write these to such a standard that they could be of a university/academic level. With a creative piece it needs to be a cohesive unit to stand out. How the writer manages to communicate with the audience through creative writing is completely subjective, there's no way that you can say an outstanding creative piece will always trump a top level expository/persuasive essay because they're judged on different criterion and comes down to the individuals appreciation of various form.
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1. Not the same quality. Similar quality. And you have conceded.

2. Wrong. I said, it is relatively easier to write a decent expository and get a decent mark 6-7, than it is to write a decent creative, decent in the sense that the examiners can see where you are heading and is able to identify and link some of the ideas within your creative piece to the prompt. Point is, given the nature of creative pieces, and how very subjective it sometimes can be, a lot of people who chose creative either bombs it in the exam or does it very well. It is good that you are disagreeing. But what are you disagreeing to?  I simply said creative writing USUALLY requires more thought than expository because the structure for an expository essay is more or less, already there.

3. Ok start sourcing every time you post something to do with VCE that may reasonably lead someone to the inference that it is an advice. And then make sure that source gets linked back to the VCAA or someone along those lines. Got it. And it is controversial that creative is generally more challenging than expository for students of our time and those who write great creative pieces are usually the ones who get the exceptional marks. I can see where this is going.

4. Stop misrepresenting my propositions. Seriously, stop doing that. I never said anything about that. The pieces are obviously not categorised as expo or creative or persuasive. What I am saying is that an assessor is likely to look more favorably at a rather good creative piece especially after she/he has marked 30 expository pieces. It stands out MORE. And don't go into all those crap about how assessors are impartial and stuff. They are humans getting paid according to how much papers they mark. Enough said.

I meant what I said. But more important, I do mean what I do not say. And I have issues with how you are trying so hard in misrepresenting my words so that you can fault me.


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I meant what I said. But more important, I do mean what I do not say. And I have issues with how you are trying so hard in misrepresenting my words so that you can fault me.
He's taken your words pretty literally and represented them so, IMO
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Try and be a bit civil or I'll just close this thread. I think the OP's question has been answered satisfactorily.
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I think with creative its possible to emotionally override the examiner with a touching anecdotal or story rather than an expository piece which could redeem yourself from any possible errors (and everyone likes stories) therefore they could be just slightly less critical on marking if they have been moved by your story

I'm pretty sure this worked for me when I wrote about being Eurasian with Growing Up Asian as my text - I remember writing things like "im not a whole... but rather two halves loosely woven together" and it made my teacher cry (LOL.)

but dont do things superficially, play to your strengths if you think expository is for you but this is just my 2 cents about writing creatively.
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Can I write persuasive style for context?

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Can I write persuasive style for context?
Yes. The three most commonly accepted styles are expository, persuasive and creative, and then you have hybrids.
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Can I write persuasive style for context?
Yes. The three most commonly accepted styles are expository, persuasive and creative, and then you have hybrids.
Do we get marks off when it is not clear if the essay is expository or persuasive?

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Do we get marks off when it is not clear if the essay is expository or persuasive?

Hmmm, can you possibly write a hybrid Persuasive and Expository? I don't think so. Just because an expository discusses ideas whereas a persuasive persuades the reader to take on a point of view.

Btw, I think persuasive is very difficult to write, many students write persuasive and it just ends up sounding like an expository.

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I've heard that in terms of an expository piece, you don't need to be creative. They are going to be marking SO many exams and there will be repeats on the type of issues or events referred to in the essays. What is more important is being able to explore a prompt, apply it to the text and then further apply it to other examples. If you are able to do this properly then it should be a high marking piece.
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It's more about being original than creative. But yes, having a 'creative' spin on things will help. The examiners just don't want to see any formulaic responses.
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For the context piece, if we choose to write a persuasive piece, can we write it in first person?