is there any esl student writing a 1500 word essay for context?

[charmanderp]

I can't even fathom why someone wouldn't write the language analysis first :S

Yeah this is almost unequivocally the best thing to do, but then again each individual is different.

[nisha]

^ I thought text response consumes more time than context?

Anyway, I really like the context so I will write it first, then language analysis and text response
Having said that, depending on the questions as well, I may change my mind

What do you suggest? Which section should we write first?

It entirely depends on what you are comfortable with. If you're more of the "analytical" mind I suggest you should use your reading time effectively and start with LA->Text Response->Context.
Having said that, Context is a nice break in between the other two sections.
Knowing me, I would probably start with Writing BP's of Text response-> Start context-> write BP's of LA-> Finish rest of Text Response-> Finish rest of LA-> Finish context...with style.
I'm a bit all over the place.

Wow, how can you do that? Like how can you estimate the space you need to write for conclusion?
Yeah, probably writing LA first is better as we use reading time for it

Btw, what do you think about writing context before the text response? Do we have enough time to finish it?

As a rule of thumb, you should generally have your context idea already determined(flexible), therefore your essay is almost 50% done come exam time. Then again, I'm not entirely a good example, as I write creatively and just get very excited with beautiful "flowery" language...this leads to me finishing my context piece in <30 mins. Obviously this gives me more time to work on the analysis sections.

I don't know. I get bored easily, and the more I concentrate on one essay, the more I stress, the more I stress, the more I can't write/think clearly, and then I just turn into a steaming tomato.
So I just like to change it up. I know that for me, doing the body paragraphs first is very important (as I tend to forget the ideas that I have figured out...or eventually add something that I have not included in my introduction) ...it allows me to explore the meaty-end of the discussion first. Intro's and conclusions aren't that long anyways, I just leave a page for each (and write PTO on the side...).
It works for me.

[Jenny_2108]

Yeah, it depends on the individual. With text response I can write 4.5-5 pages in 60-70 minutes (300-330 words per page) with and even more if it's language analysis, but with context I really have to craft my piece and in 60 minutes would probably only write 3.5-4 pages. I find it to be the only form where I need to plan my essay, as you can just ramble on about random ideas from the text(s) and actually need to process a philosophical discourse and such, and create new ideas based upon the prompt.

How can you write 4-5 pages in 60 mins? :O
I only write 3 pages in an hour and my hand is like nearly broken

I can't even fathom why someone wouldn't write the language analysis first :S

In LA in ESL, we have to write note-summary form and an essay. Note summary takes time to present ideas though

[charmanderp]

I don't know. I get bored easily, and the more I concentrate on one essay, the more I stress, the more I stress, the more I can't write/think clearly, and then I just turn into a steaming tomato.

I can see why you're good at creative writing haha, this is just brilliant.

[charmanderp]

How can you write 4-5 pages in 60 mins? :O
I only write 3 pages in an hour and my hand is like nearly broken

I'm a rambler, so it comes naturally to me I guess haha. I can write freakish amounts in a short amount of time which my friends abhor since it carries over to my texts, which are all in essay form

One of my friends can write 30 words a minute though, it's insane.

[Felicity Wishes]

I can't even fathom why someone wouldn't write the language analysis first :S

I'm planning on annotating mine first but writing it last because I need the most time with context because I struggle with it, then I'll go to text response because I like it and I'll shape my LA depending on how much time I have because I know if I do it first, I'll over-analyse and waste too much time.   

[nisha]

Yeah, it depends on the individual. With text response I can write 4.5-5 pages in 60-70 minutes (300-330 words per page) with and even more if it's language analysis, but with context I really have to craft my piece and in 60 minutes would probably only write 3.5-4 pages. I find it to be the only form where I need to plan my essay, as you can just ramble on about random ideas from the text(s) and actually need to process a philosophical discourse and such, and create new ideas based upon the prompt.

How can you write 4-5 pages in 60 mins? :O
I only write 3 pages in an hour and my hand is like nearly broken

It comes with practise. The more you write, the quicker your ideas will flow. Sometimes, I just don't care about the time limit, I just learn to FEEL my writing, and let the characters spring to life:)

....o.O sounds too cliche...

[brenden]

I'm a rambler, so it comes naturally to me I guess haha. I can write freakish amounts in a short amount of time which my friends abhor since it carries over to my texts, which are all in essay form

One of my friends can write 30 words a minute though, it's insane.

Hahahahaha this is me all over. I generally hit 1000 at 50 minutes and finish up, but my texts, farout. It's worse on a smartphone and you just have to keep scrolling and scrolling lol.

I'm planning on annotating mine first but writing it last because I need the most time with context because I struggle with it, then I'll go to text response because I like it and I'll shape my LA depending on how much time I have because I know if I do it first, I'll over-analyse and waste too much time.   

Yeah I need the most time for Text Response so by my logic I'll do it last. I'll get L.A done in around 50 minutes total, hopefully around that for my story, though they can spiral sometimes, and then I've got freedom to take the rest of the time for Text Response, whilst not going overtime and damaging my other pieces by doing it first.

[charmanderp]

Yeah, it depends on the individual. With text response I can write 4.5-5 pages in 60-70 minutes (300-330 words per page) with and even more if it's language analysis, but with context I really have to craft my piece and in 60 minutes would probably only write 3.5-4 pages. I find it to be the only form where I need to plan my essay, as you can just ramble on about random ideas from the text(s) and actually need to process a philosophical discourse and such, and create new ideas based upon the prompt.

How can you write 4-5 pages in 60 mins? :O
I only write 3 pages in an hour and my hand is like nearly broken

It comes with practise. The more you write, the quicker your ideas will flow. Sometimes, I just don't care about the time limit, I just learn to FEEL my writing, and let the characters spring to life:)

....o.O sounds too cliche...

And if you know your texts really well it's just a matter of spilling ideas onto the page (whilst making sure you remain cohesive and cogent). Practise, practise, practise! Do introductions under timed conditions so that you pick up your starting time and then keep applying more and more pressure. Eventually your hand will free up too; I could probably write for 3-4 hours without any cramps just because I've done so much of it.

[Jenny_2108]

Sometimes, I just don't care about the time limit, I just learn to FEEL my writing, and let the characters spring to life:)

I'm just scared that I don't have enough time to finish the essay so I write one paragraph, estimate the time, write the next one, estimate how much time I left and find out how long I can write the rest

How does "feeling your writing" and "letting the characters spring to life" like?
It sounds great. Probably I will try it in my next SAC

[pi]

Don't worry about not finishing, the adrenaline rush you get in the exam makes you write so much faster. I finished the exam comfortably whilst also writing a fair amount at a mildly decent standard (I hope haha), and I am by no means are a great English student like you guys

Don't stress so much, just give it your all

[brenden]

...writing a fair amount at a mildly decent standard (I hope haha), and I am by no means are a great English student like you guys

Nek minnut; top 5% in English across the state.

[Water]

I have not read the other posts and it is a direct response to your question.

Firstly, I directly know two ESL students who received study scores of 50 for ESL. I have also read their essays and saw them develop their style over the Year 12 period.

Secondly, 1500 word essay is bogus. I don't think they were even capable of writing that in the exam, physically or intellectually fast enough without waffling.

Thirdly, I think they were capable of writing between 800 - 1100 words though. If there was any comparison that I could make between an ESL and English in terms of SS ranking, I would say a 50 ESL would be approximately anywhere between 38- 45 in a normal English Cohort. This is my own personal opinion from knowing them and reading SOME of their works. Though I can be wrong.

[BigAl]

In LA in ESL, we have to write note-summary form and an essay. Note summary takes time to present ideas though

My LA sac was slightly different since we have a less number of els students in school. So I had the same sac as others in the first term. I knew that I had some problem in analysing stuff so I put a lot of effort in this year and got 37/40. Thinking through what I am capable of for such a different sac I will be comfortable in the exam.By Just ticking the boxes and using various vocabularies I am so hopeful for LA. The same for the text analysis. I've been constantly and profoundly studying for it..and there should be no problem except retelling the story.

I remember one of the quotes of Einstein's. He said, "If I come across a problem and have an hour to solve it, I would spend 45 minutes to think it, 10 minutes to consider the most efficient method and 5 minutes to solve it." So if I plan a draft I can write a well piece without problem. That's why I love to start off something I can formulise. That's a bit problematic for context. Considering I'm not even good in my native language in writing, I'm just going to follow the path or formula. 

Thirdly, I think they were capable of writing between 800 - 1100 words though. If there was any comparison that I could make between an ESL and English in terms of SS ranking, I would say a 50 ESL would be approximately anywhere between 38- 45 in a normal English Cohort. This is my own personal opinion from knowing them and reading SOME of their works. Though I can be wrong.

I think the difference is just 5 marks. If you check the prerequisites for the courses, English min 25 ESL min 30. My teacher said to me that if I came to Australia in y8 I would be pretty much capable of doing normal English now, although I don't see that confidence in me. All I hope is 32 and above I don't really care because I'm a bit maths person. I love thinking through numbers, not language

[FlorianK]

1500 words, bitch please.

1990 words ESL-essay - critics please

I know its excessive, but maybe I just wanted the challenge.
In the exam for ESL 800 words should be sufficient for 40+.