Login

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

July 27, 2025, 11:23:26 am

Author Topic: how to prove it is a cusp!?  (Read 3408 times)  Share 

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

/0

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 4124
  • Respect: +45
how to prove it is a cusp!?
« on: May 21, 2009, 11:24:07 am »
0
SAY YOU HAVE THE GRAPHS

FOR

AND FOR

THE GRADIENT AT X = 0 IS THE SAME FOR BOTH GRAPHS, YET THAT POINT IS A CUSP................................

HOW DOES ONE GO ABOUT PROOFING THAT IT IS A CUSP???????????????????????????????????????????????????

Mao

  • CH41RMN
  • Honorary Moderator
  • Great Wonder of ATAR Notes
  • *******
  • Posts: 9181
  • Respect: +390
  • School: Kambrya College
  • School Grad Year: 2008
Re: how to prove it is a cusp!?
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2009, 11:26:27 am »
0
if

then f(x) a cusp at x=a
Editor for ATARNotes Chemistry study guides.

VCE 2008 | Monash BSc (Chem., Appl. Math.) 2009-2011 | UoM BScHon (Chem.) 2012 | UoM PhD (Chem.) 2013-2015

/0

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 4124
  • Respect: +45
Re: how to prove it is a cusp!?
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2009, 11:29:26 am »
0
But the limits are the same aren't they?????????????????????????????????

Mao

  • CH41RMN
  • Honorary Moderator
  • Great Wonder of ATAR Notes
  • *******
  • Posts: 9181
  • Respect: +390
  • School: Kambrya College
  • School Grad Year: 2008
Re: how to prove it is a cusp!?
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2009, 11:36:54 am »
0
for a smooth join they are the same (hence differentiable)

but for a sharp turn they are two different values approaching from left and right.
Editor for ATARNotes Chemistry study guides.

VCE 2008 | Monash BSc (Chem., Appl. Math.) 2009-2011 | UoM BScHon (Chem.) 2012 | UoM PhD (Chem.) 2013-2015

/0

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 4124
  • Respect: +45
Re: how to prove it is a cusp!?
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2009, 11:44:33 am »
0
But for the equation I put up, the equations are differentiable at x = O, and they approach the same values from left and right. HOWEVER, there is a cusp at x = O , so how does that work??????

Mao

  • CH41RMN
  • Honorary Moderator
  • Great Wonder of ATAR Notes
  • *******
  • Posts: 9181
  • Respect: +390
  • School: Kambrya College
  • School Grad Year: 2008
Re: how to prove it is a cusp!?
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2009, 11:54:16 am »
0
neither of the two graphs have cusps. where is the question from?
Editor for ATARNotes Chemistry study guides.

VCE 2008 | Monash BSc (Chem., Appl. Math.) 2009-2011 | UoM BScHon (Chem.) 2012 | UoM PhD (Chem.) 2013-2015

/0

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 4124
  • Respect: +45
Re: how to prove it is a cusp!?
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2009, 08:38:37 am »
0
Soz what I mean is, if you graph the two graphs as I have described in the first post, then visually, it will seem like there is a cusp at .
i.e. you could think of the relation as


evaporade

  • Victorian
  • Trendsetter
  • **
  • Posts: 111
  • Respect: +1
Re: how to prove it is a cusp!?
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2009, 09:19:11 am »
0
you look at lim (invf)'(y) as y approaches 0+ and 0-

kamil9876

  • Victorian
  • Part of the furniture
  • *****
  • Posts: 1943
  • Respect: +109
Re: how to prove it is a cusp!?
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2009, 11:37:17 am »
0
By using the basics of Mao's argument, you see that:

must NOT occur.

However: doesn't even exist. Since doesn't exist, where

In fact f isn't even a function.

If you define a cusp as a non-differentiable point the above is true.

However I wasn't sure about a formal definition of a cusp so i did some research and found: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Cusp.html
Which is contrary to the popular statement y=|x| has a cusp at the origin... Meh lately these quasi-geometrical terms seem like crap to me... although if this is your hw I can see that you should be worried :P

Anyways, according to source above:

let
let


, but is not satisfied(because both limits do not exist) hence the two curves meet with same tangents however they are 'branches'(link uses this term) as they do not extend beyond this intersection.

You decide which definition of cusp to believe. I agree with the math but I'm not the best linguist  ;D

« Last Edit: May 22, 2009, 09:11:26 pm by kamil9876 »
Voltaire: "There is an astonishing imagination even in the science of mathematics ... We repeat, there is far more imagination in the head of Archimedes than in that of Homer."