English 2012 - How'd you go!? (General Discussion + FUNNY EXAM MOMENTS)

[BigAl]

I dont think you understand the point. You didnt do your own work. No one cares about capabilities, maybe if you did the work yourself you could have equalised yourself anyway. Those 'capable' students did their own work regardless to get to such a level. You did not.

You are going to get disapproval here because you plagiarized.

Yeah by studying english for 6 years while I've only studied it for 2 years.

[Mr Keshy]

I dont think you understand the point. You didnt do your own work. No one cares about capabilities, maybe if you did the work yourself you could have equalised yourself anyway. Those 'capable' students did their own work regardless to get to such a level. You did not.

You are going to get disapproval here because you plagiarized.

Yeah by studying english for 6 years while I've only studied it for 2 years.

What the...


Anyway, next year, I want to play the humming game during reading time. One person starts humming and everyone joins in hahahha

[Deleted User]

Are all the exams from one school marked by the same assessor or are they scattered arbirtrarily? I lent my friend a sample essay to read over a few weeks ago and it seems as though he has memorised it and written the same one as I did for the exam.... It was a really good one as well, 9-10 easy. Any chance of both of ours being read by the same assessors?  And would it jeopardise my score in any way?     

[Lado]

I don't think you get the point, all English students who present their OWN work are deserving of their marks. That is all.

Those who are capable of beating mainstream students are the ones who are doing what the subject asks of - they're not defeating the purpose of the subject... you are, by memorising someone's essay rather than write your own, which is the whole point of the subject.

but why would they not just do mainstream English instead of ESL? Scared of being a random student in that group? Now their decisions are not immoral but mine is? If they are not studying mainstream English just to be a number one in ESL in spite of their capabilities, I have a right to memorise a mainstream student's essay to equalise myself...

Nobody has the 'right' to memorise another person's essay and write it as their own under any circumstances. It's appalling that you think it is okay to do so.

[Deleted User]

I don't think you get the point, all English students who present their OWN work are deserving of their marks. That is all.

Those who are capable of beating mainstream students are the ones who are doing what the subject asks of - they're not defeating the purpose of the subject... you are, by memorising someone's essay rather than write your own, which is the whole point of the subject.

but why would they not just do mainstream English instead of ESL? Scared of being a random student in that group? Now their decisions are not immoral but mine is? If they are not studying mainstream English just to be a number one in ESL in spite of their capabilities, I have a right to memorise a mainstream student's essay to equalise myself...

Nobody has the 'right' to memorise another person's essay and write it as their own under any circumstances. It's appalling that you think it is okay to do so.

See above. The same thing happened to me because my friend memorised my essay and wrote it, and I also wrote it as well. What are the chances of the same assessor reading it and would this jeopardise my mark in any way? 

[pi]

Well if the same assessor read it, you'd both get 0 and VCAA would probably want to have a chat with you two.

[Deleted User]

Well if the same assessor read it, you'd both get 0 and VCAA would probably want to have a chat with you two.

Even though I didn't do anything wrong?!  Would they consult us before hand or would they automatically give me a zero?

[Yendall]

Well if the same assessor read it, you'd both get 0 and VCAA would probably want to have a chat with you two.

Even though I didn't do anything wrong?!  Would they consult us before hand or would they automatically give me a zero?

You gave your essay to someone, so you did do something. Obviously you can't help if he copied your essay word for word, however you can prevent him from copying it by not giving it to him in the first place. If they catch you (which is possible as you're at the same school) then there could be serious consequences, and I don't think there is really any justification that will save you.

[Deleted User]

Well if the same assessor read it, you'd both get 0 and VCAA would probably want to have a chat with you two.

Even though I didn't do anything wrong?!  Would they consult us before hand or would they automatically give me a zero?

You gave your essay to someone, so you did do something. Obviously you can't help if he copied your essay word for word, however you can prevent him from copying it by not giving it to him in the first place. If they catch you (which is possible as you're at the same school) then there could be serious consequences, and I don't think there is really any justification that will save you.

I didn't give it to him during the exam, it was ages ago because he wanted to see a sample essay. I don't see how I've done anything wrong.

[pi]

If you can prove you wrote the essay and if he says you wrote the essay then you *could* get a lesser penalty (somehow).

It's a grey area, but you're not in a good position if VCAA finds out.

[Yendall]

Well if the same assessor read it, you'd both get 0 and VCAA would probably want to have a chat with you two.

Even though I didn't do anything wrong?!  Would they consult us before hand or would they automatically give me a zero?

You gave your essay to someone, so you did do something. Obviously you can't help if he copied your essay word for word, however you can prevent him from copying it by not giving it to him in the first place. If they catch you (which is possible as you're at the same school) then there could be serious consequences, and I don't think there is really any justification that will save you.

I didn't give it to him during the exam, it was ages ago because he wanted to see a sample essay. I don't see how I've done anything wrong.

Yes, I understand what you're saying. But you initially gave him the essay leaving it open for plagiarism. If you do get caught, he could admit to copying, if he doesn't then you're both probably in the wrong. I wouldn't stress over it though.

[Deleted User]

If you can prove you wrote the essay and if he says you wrote the essay then you *could* get a lesser penalty (somehow).

It's a grey area, but you're not in a good position if VCAA finds out.

But why would I get a penalty in the first place? What's wrong with my giving a sample essay to a friend? Teaches give out sample essays all the time.

[pi]

As I said, if he claims you copied him (to save his own ass) then you're going to be in a fair bit of trouble. I'd say VCAA would probably get you both in trouble for it unless he outrightly says he's guilty. Again, it's a grey area.

Did you specifically tell him not to copy?

[Deleted User]

As I said, if he claims you copied him (to save his own ass) then you're going to be in a fair bit of trouble. I'd say VCAA would probably get you both in trouble for it unless he outrightly says he's guilty. Again, it's a grey area.

Did you specifically tell him not to copy?

No, but I didn't think he would memorise it word for word and write it out. Besides, he's not the brightest fellow and the essay was at least a 9-10, and I'm ranked very high in my school for SACs and my other 2 essays in the exam would surely prove that I was the one who originally wrote it? Surely common sense would prevail here.

[Yendall]

As I said, if he claims you copied him (to save his own ass) then you're going to be in a fair bit of trouble. I'd say VCAA would probably get you both in trouble for it unless he outrightly says he's guilty. Again, it's a grey area.

Did you specifically tell him not to copy?

No, but I didn't think he would memorise it word for word and write it out. Besides, he's not the brightest fellow and the essay was at least a 9-10, and I'm ranked very high in my school for SACs and my other 2 essays in the exam would surely prove that I was the one who originally wrote it? Surely common sense would prevail here.

VCAA could look into rankings and scores if it were to come down to that.