Differences between bachelor of biomed and bachelor of science?

[charmanderp]

(and of course the cohort has a high level of motivation)

Which is why they got into Med in the first place. It's the same with biomed over science (mostly), given the ATAR discrepancies. I do realise there are plenty of science students who could have gotten into biomed if they wanted, but it's a minority of a sizeable cohort.

[simpak]

golden, I would go back through your points like I did mine but I am on my iPad and just too tired so whoever is winning this debate can win I NEED TO SLEEP. I pretty much concur with everything you say anyway now that I'm sober. I turned into a crazy BSc defender whilst intoxicated.

The final thing I will say is: don't bother arguing with Russ or basically anyone here over this any more if they are enrolled in either degree or were once enrolled in either degree, because everyone is always going to stick to their side and sway it depending on their experiences eg science v biomedicine student when in reality nobody here has been in both courses and therefore nobody can really make a legit conclusion. Biomedders (some) will always think that their course is harder than Science just like Science students (some) tend to think their course is harder than Arts courses or whatever.  Being someone who had experienced both Science and Arts degrees I am and forever will be wary of people claiming their whatever is more challenging than the next persons whatever because I am yet to find a situation in which I can say what I do now in third year is harder than what I did in first year arts. Seriously. Anyway, time to move on with life! Everyone be proud of your achievements and keep calm you are all beautiful creaturez and should be proud of working hard and living up to challenges no matter how difficult! But I really don't think there's a significant difference at the end of the day.

[ninwa]

This thread is cute. Fail rates in a vacuum are not a good indicator of the difficulty of the course. The average (Melbourne) biomedicine degree is more challenging than the average science degree. People care way too much about this.

When over 20% of the cohort gets an HD, merely stating "biomed is harder" is not going to convince anyone =_=

[Russ]

I say "average" because there's some variability in every degree. The capstone and core subjects were more challenging than a similar year science subject in a similar field (this is obviously a personal opinion, but it's based on comparison to experiences and opinions of a couple of good friends).

Pass rates, fail rates and H1 rates are not defining indicators of how 'hard' or 'easy' a course is and are bad ways to assess this in the absence of other considerations. Saying that because more people get above 80 in course X, it is easier than course Y is a non sequitur.

People care way too much about this.

[ninwa]

Why are anecdotes more valid than actual data like the spread of marks?

[thushan]

Why are anecdotes more valid than actual data like the spread of marks?

I really feel like locking this thread, but this is too entertaining.

On another note: I've been scouring PagingDr and have found this:

- 50/75 people reserved for Monash Biomed students
- other 25 are from Biomedical Science from other universities or other allied health professional degrees or something like that. Science graduates I think will be considered on a case by case basis.

[816]

I say "average" because there's some variability in every degree. The capstone and core subjects were more challenging than a similar year science subject in a similar field (this is obviously a personal opinion, but it's based on comparison to experiences and opinions of a couple of good friends).

Pass rates, fail rates and H1 rates are not defining indicators of how 'hard' or 'easy' a course is and are bad ways to assess this in the absence of other considerations. Saying that because more people get above 80 in course X, it is easier than course Y is a non sequitur.

People care way too much about this.

For obvious reasons the argument in itself is not conclusive.

Just I've known ~20 or so Biomed students (from high school and uni) and they weren't a particularly talented bunch. Above average, yes, but no so much that 20%+ of them should get H1s. I have a feeling they actually make it easier to get H1s in Biomed because they know everyone wants med.

[Stick]

Both my friend and I emailed Monash and they have gotten back to my friend, but not me yet. Monash has confirmed that students who enter their Biomedical Science degree in 2014 will be able to obtain a conditional offer for Medicine/Surgery based on their first year marks and an interview. 150 students will be interviewed, but the other details are still being worked out.

[816]

lol, that is such bullshit from Monash. I used to respect the university for having some sort of 'common-sense' that UoM seemed to lack in favour of the dollar. I retract that, they're just as money-orientated.

[thushan]

lol, that is such bullshit from Monash. I used to respect the university for having some sort of 'common-sense' that UoM seemed to lack in favour of the dollar. I retract that, they're just as money-orientated.

Actually...I wouldn't blame them so much. Apparently Gippsland Medical School has blown their budget on their delivery of the MBBS.

And a university is a business, after all.

[Professor Polonsky]

And a university is a business, after all.

Uhm it is?

They are being run as such due to pressure by the Federal government, but they shouldn't be.

[vox nihili]

Just I've known ~20 or so Biomed students (from high school and uni) and they weren't a particularly talented bunch. Above average, yes, but no so much that 20%+ of them should get H1s. I have a feeling they actually make it easier to get H1s in Biomed because they know everyone wants med.

Rubbish really. Especially considering that our third year subjects, where the GPA matters the most, are identical to the science ones.

[816]

Uhm it is?

They are being run as such due to pressure by the Federal government, but they shouldn't be.

Am really sick of Australian hyper-commercialised culture.

[Starlight]

Both my friend and I emailed Monash and they have gotten back to my friend, but not me yet. Monash has confirmed that students who enter their Biomedical Science degree in 2014 will be able to obtain a conditional offer for Medicine/Surgery based on their first year marks and an interview. 150 students will be interviewed, but the other details are still being worked out.

Is it a matter of needing more doctors in the workforce now?
Like they don't have to sit an admissions test or anything? Sounds too easy..

[Stick]

Remember that not everyone who is interviewed will receive a place.