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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #240 on: September 03, 2013, 07:14:07 pm »
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Yes but the problem with that attitude is the problem with every kind of voting attitude ever.  That is, immediacy v. foresight.  Unfortunately it's difficult to force people to vote based on future outcomes rather than immediate outcomes.  It's like 'if I vote for this party today I will get my education reform/tax cut/road build tomorrow' cf. 'if I vote for this party the human race might not die in x years for which I will not even be alive'.  Most voters will just vote based on immediacy and their own interests and money at the end of the day.

Also, the way the mass media paints climate change is more what I just stated above or what t-rav said (ie: human race doesn't die) rather than the point Russ was making which is a more immediate threat than the human race seeing drastic negative impact on survival.

What point am I trying to make here?  I don't even know I THINK WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS: you can't dismiss something just because you don't think it's happening /right now/ because it's still relevant and sometimes it has ramifications that are less obvious and that are going to happen right now.  Bed...would be a good place to go.

What if you were to make foresight seem an immediacy? What if you were to make future outcomes seem as though they are immediate outcomes? That's effectively the Greens stance towards Climate Change. Since they have made their foresight seem an immediacy, voters will be more inclined to support them; at least in their policies, and not attitude. Abbott has solely focused on immediacy, with mindfulness to future outcomes. I view this as clever thinking while many feel as more can be achieved under a Labor government. They are correct in that assumption but unfortunately negate economics in their foresight. We need to think about what's truly possible and what's not.

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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #241 on: September 03, 2013, 07:17:16 pm »
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I've studied a bit of climate change science - climate change is always happening; it always has and always will. Climate by nature is not a stable thing. The issue here is that industrialisation, population growth and demand expedites the long-term effect of climate change which poses immediate risk due to vulnerabilities in fragile ecosystems and in poorer countries will lower-quality infrastructure and social stability.

Even if climate change was not "occurring NOW", it's still happening. As a generation, we need to limit artificial contribution to the phenomenon.

Also, the fact that climate change is used as a political issue is depressing. Politics, stop co-opting scientific issues >:(

Exactly. However, Climate Change is the long term effect of Climate Shift. Other than that, I agree with the above.

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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #242 on: September 03, 2013, 07:23:52 pm »
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I'm genuinely interested, not trying to take a stab at what you said - what exactly do you mean by Greens making future outcomes seem as if they're immediate outcomes?  I think it's entirely possible to tackle the issue of climate change in an economically reasonable way I just don't think any of the parties are proposing such a policy at the present time.
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #243 on: September 03, 2013, 07:32:17 pm »
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Wait but they don't really freeze right?  Like is there any crystallisation?  Because I feel like that would be gross.

No crystallisation, they just turn solid. I'm pretty sure it's got something to do with the high proportion of fat molecules in chocolate and nuts. It's sort of like how butter is hard to spread unless you warm it up. Thats my theory anyway. I dont know about actually freeze, i've left them in there for a week or so, no crystals and its not hard like an iceblock. It's just like a solid block of chocolate. I use those little plastic packs you put in kid's lunchboxes and stuff.

In other news, a few "scorecards":

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(Replaced outdated image) They do have a website here http://australiavotes.org.au/

Anyone know any other ones?
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #244 on: September 03, 2013, 07:38:07 pm »
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That NUS scorecard seems the slightest bit skewed...
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #245 on: September 03, 2013, 07:49:55 pm »
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That NUS scorecard seems the slightest bit skewed...

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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #246 on: September 03, 2013, 08:20:28 pm »
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I have no idea how politics works, someone enlighten me:

If I enrolled last year to vote for the local council elections, that automatically puts me on the list to vote for this election yea?

Someone told me the election was this Saturday. Ha, I didn't even know. My parents did the vote via mail, and I've gotten no mail regarding the elections at all.



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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #247 on: September 03, 2013, 08:24:51 pm »
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Hey kp, post the Australia Privacy Foundation one. Its pretty scary (can't as I'm on phone)
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #248 on: September 03, 2013, 09:26:58 pm »
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Hey kp, post the Australia Privacy Foundation one. Its pretty scary (can't as I'm on phone)

Their website seriously needs a design upgrade.
To make it a bit nicer i chucked it into MS word. Here are the results:



Background

In April, the main 13 of the 58 Parties contesting the 2013 federal election were invited to make their positions clear on vital privacy issues of the time. (Note that the list of issues was finalised before the Snowden revelations about the uncontrolled and wildly excessive surveillance of telecommunications traffic by the NSA).

The Parties' positions were scored, based on (a) their responses and (b) their public platforms. Where answers were not apparent from the response or the platform, the party's stance was interpolated from (c) its other policies, (d) media reports on its stances, and (e) its behaviour in the past. Scores were assigned only to those parties whose policies on relevant matters are reasonably apparent.

A mark of up to 5 points was awarded for each of the 18 topics, plus 5 each for Discoverability (D – the ease of finding the information) and Response (R – the quality of any response provided).

A brief summary of the results is below. The results are then presented for those parties whose policies in relation to privacy matters were stated or could reasonably be interpolated, followed by brief comments on the findings in relation to each of the other parties.

Table Key

Privacy Processes
1.   Does your Party commit to requiring the conduct of Privacy Impact Assessments (PIAs) on all projects that have significant potential to negatively impact people's privacy?
2.   Does your Party commit to the creation of a privacy right of action within the first year of the new Parliament? See the APF Policy
3.   Does your Party commit to requiring every organisation to establish and maintain information security safeguards commensurate with the sensitivity of the data? See the APF Policy
4.   Does your Party commit to a mandatory notification scheme for data breaches? See the APF Policy
5.   Does your Party commit to ensuring that the Privacy Commissioner's decisions about complaints are subject to effective appeal to the judicial system?
6.   Does your Party commit to an independent Review of the performance of the Privacy Commissioner's functions?
Privacy Protections – Against Unreasonable Government Activities
7.   Does your Party commit to the repeal of the many unnecessary and unjustified features of post-2001 counter-terrorism legislation? See the Submission by Advisory Panel-Member Prof. George Williams
8.   Does your Party commit to sustaining freedom from surveillance of people's online behaviour, communications and reading habits, by rejecting the recent proposals relating to 'data retention' and to the 'filtering' of Internet traffic?
9.   Does your Party commit to the withdrawal of the power of the Australian Bureau of Statistics to impose mandatory participation in ABS surveys? See the APF Advisory Statement
10.   Does your Party commit to the conduct of a meaningful evaluation of Body Scanners in Australian airports?
Privacy Protections – Against Unreasonable Activities by Corporations
11.   What commitments is your Party making in relation to the regulation of privacy-intrusive behaviour by social media services such as Google and Facebook?
12.   Does your Party commit to the establishment of effective protections against abuses of privacy by the media? See the APF Policy
Privacy Protections – Against Unreasonable Activities in All Sectors
13.   Does your Party commit to ensuring that all visual surveillance (such as CCTV, Automated Number Plate Recognition and through the use of drones) complies with the key principles of Justification, Proportionality, Transparency, Mitigating Measures, Controls and Audit? See the APF Policy
14.   Does your Party commit to implementation of Law Reform Commission recommendations in relation to substance abuse testing, within the first year of the new Parliament? See the APF Policy
15.   Does your Party commit to regulation of the use of biometrics, including genetic data? See the APF Policy Statements on Biometrics and Biometrics in the Workplace
16.   Does your Party commit to ensuring that clear and effective protections exist for all personal health care data? See the APF Policy
17.   Does your Party commit to preventing the export of personal data to data havens that provide less protection than Australia does?
18.   What commitments is your Party making in relation to the regulation of mobile device tracking? See the APF Policy

Summary

1. Labor, the Liberals and the Nationals are hostile to human rights generally and privacy in particular. To vote for them is to vote for privacy-abusive laws, and against privacy protections.

2. The Greens remain close to the people who they represent. They have long had, and retain, an enlightened set of policies. They scored a highly commendable 89/100.

3. The Pirate Party, despite being a newcomer, has a remarkably comprehensive platform, which is very positive on human rights and privacy issues in its heartland area of the digitally literate. They scored remarkably high, also adding up to 89/100.

4. The Wikileaks Party and The Sex Party do not have comprehensive platforms, but have at least some policies that are significantly supportive of privacy.

5. The other parties have limited platforms, which contain little or nothing on human rights generally, let alone on privacy. The latter-day Democrats are a pale shadow of the Democrats of the Natasha Stott-Despoja era.
Assessment of Parties with Platforms

Labor's Platform contains short statements in relation to consumer rights and discrimination, but nothing on any other aspect of human rights.

The Liberals' Platform contains a brief mention of a pro-media / anti-privacy position, and support for freedom of speech, but is otherwise devoid of any content relating to human rights, or indeed consumer rights.

The Nationals' Platform web-site contains nothing whatsoever relating to human rights or consumer rights. Its brochure contains a little on consumer rights, but its only position relevant to human rights is opposition to a Charter.

The Greens' Platform is comprehensive, and has a specific segment on human rights, and the Party provided specific and positive responses to the APF's Election Challenge.

The Pirate Party's Platform includes specific segments on civil liberties, including privacy, and the Party provided specific and positive responses to the APF's Election Challenge.

The Wikileaks Party's Platform includes strong pro-privacy positions on whistleblowing protections and telecommunications surveillance. (The invitation was sent late, and hence the scoring is provisional).

The Sex Party's Platform includes a number of policies on human rights matters, and it has been consistently pro-privacy over the years. (The invitation was sent late, and hence the scoring is provisional).


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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #249 on: September 03, 2013, 10:07:29 pm »
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Split the more recent posts discussing this climate change, climate shift business into here [split] Climate Change, Climate Shift

I have no idea how politics works, someone enlighten me:

If I enrolled last year to vote for the local council elections, that automatically puts me on the list to vote for this election yea?

Someone told me the election was this Saturday. Ha, I didn't even know. My parents did the vote via mail, and I've gotten no mail regarding the elections at all.
You're probably enrolled for the AEC roll too, check here https://oevf.aec.gov.au/
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #251 on: September 03, 2013, 10:59:25 pm »
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In the news....

We have an article by a senior Anglican clergyman. Turns out Rudd in some areas has a shocking lack of understanding of the bible according to this author. It records occurrences of history such as enslavement or the exodus but it far from endorses them. The author argues far from even being a neutral record, the bible goes a step further and condemns slavery.

Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz reckons the general public dont realise just how good we have it with regards to the economy.

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« Reply #252 on: September 03, 2013, 11:28:40 pm »
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Rudd picked the quotes which helped his case the most, and so did the clergyman. If I have the energy tonight, I'll write up a post about "OT" slavery. It's far, far more complicated than he suggests.

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« Reply #254 on: September 04, 2013, 12:12:36 am »
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Not even going to have a go at refuting the article itself? :3

Oh no, that's right, it can't be done