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Question regarding asymptotes with a composite function?
« on: June 29, 2009, 08:10:05 pm »
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Evening all,

I have the equation:



So I know that there is an asymptote at x=-3, as you can't divide by zero.

But, how do you go about working out the y asymptote manually? I know that you can plug it into the calulator and work it out, but I don't understand how I would tackle this if I don't have my calculator.

Thanks!  :)

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Re: Question regarding asymptotes with a composite function?
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2009, 08:13:29 pm »
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Long divide it, this yields

Hence y asy at y = 1

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Re: Question regarding asymptotes with a composite function?
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2009, 08:23:12 pm »
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Long divide it, this yields

Hence y asy at y = 1

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Awesome! Thankyou! :)
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Re: Question regarding asymptotes with a composite function?
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2009, 08:48:07 pm »
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A trick which I picked up off VN a long, long time ago was to consider rewriting the equation, as follows:



It's very simple.  Another example would be:



Very useful, in my opinion :)

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Re: Question regarding asymptotes with a composite function?
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2009, 08:51:04 pm »
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A trick which I picked up off VN a long, long time ago was to consider rewriting the equation, as follows:



It's very simple.  Another example would be:



Very useful, in my opinion :)

Wow! That's sweet! It took me a while to see what was happening.. (long day!)... but that is really cool!
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Re: Question regarding asymptotes with a composite function?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2009, 09:27:42 pm »
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A trick which I picked up off VN a long, long time ago was to consider rewriting the equation, as follows:



It's very simple.  Another example would be:



Very useful, in my opinion :)

Very cool indeed, you can use this to prove the long division algorithm (ie: if you avoid rewriting the redundant parts such as the denominator etc. and just extract the numbers that you are actually manipulating you get that algorithm :) )

Lol i always forget that algorithm so i stick to this, even for cubics over quadratics, which can get tedious
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Re: Question regarding asymptotes with a composite function?
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2009, 01:48:44 am »
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A less rigorous way can get you the answer faster:

as , , ,

as , , ,

(basically ignore the constant)
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Re: Question regarding asymptotes with a composite function?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2009, 12:06:25 pm »
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That might get you the constant term, however to find the other term its still equivalent to solving:



Which is essentially the process I outlined above, done in a semi-reversed fashion.

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Re: Question regarding asymptotes with a composite function?
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2009, 02:02:49 pm »
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A trick which I picked up off VN a long, long time ago was to consider rewriting the equation, as follows:



It's very simple.  Another example would be:



Very useful, in my opinion :)

With the second example, can you please explain how you got to ?

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Re: Question regarding asymptotes with a composite function?
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2009, 02:41:19 pm »
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Because the denominator is 2x+3 and the number is x+2 you need ask yourself "How do I get a 2x+3 on the top so when I split the fraction they can cancel"

So to get a coefficient of 2 in front of the x, we put a 2 in front of it but then we must multiply (x+2) by , the net result is still the same for the coefficient of x.

But now we have instead of 2, so what do we need to do to to make it into a 2? We add hence net result is still 2.

EDIT: too fast shinny :P
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Re: Question regarding asymptotes with a composite function?
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2009, 02:43:19 pm »
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EDIT: too fast shinny :P

Nah deleted my post =P I actually didn't realise he 'artificially' made the 2x+3 and just explained how he cancelled it out to be 1/2. Read TT's explanation =T
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Re: Question regarding asymptotes with a composite function?
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2009, 02:53:08 pm »
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Another way to do it if you aren't sure:






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Re: Question regarding asymptotes with a composite function?
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2009, 03:44:34 pm »
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It's good for simple examples but with complicated examples I would just go with long division, which is a sure thing, instead of wasting time thinking of how to split it up.

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Re: Question regarding asymptotes with a composite function?
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2009, 04:18:13 pm »
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Thanks for the explanation TT and kamil (and shinny even though I didn't read your post lol).

I understand it now.  :D

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Re: Question regarding asymptotes with a composite function?
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2009, 04:19:13 pm »
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Thanks for the explanation TT and kamil (and shinny even though I didn't read your post lol).

I understand it now.  :D

Heh ignore mine. Misunderstood what you were misunderstanding and answered something retardedly basic =P
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