Medicine at Universities??help

[mikee65]

is there any university that offers medicine without chemistry as a prerequisite??

Would good schools like Monash or Melbourne offer alternate pathways?

How long would all of this take to become a fully qualified medical practitioner?

Just curious. Please help

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is there any university that offers medicine without chemistry as a prerequisite??

Would good schools like Monash or Melbourne offer alternate pathways?

How long would all of this take to become a fully qualified medical practitioner?

Just curious. Please help

There's quite a few, but not in Victoria.

http://www.medstudentsonline.com.au/showthread.php?t=4053
http://www.medstudentsonline.com.au/showthread.php?t=3993

- Bond University is Full Fee, so only go there if you have a six figure bank account/believe the cash is worth it



"Alternate pathways" for Monash or Melbourne undergraduate medicine?
Well firstly, Monash does not take non-standards. You are considered a non-standard applicant if you have started tertiary study. You you cannot transfer form another course into Monash Medicine at Clayton. If you really want Monash medicine you should consider doing another year of VCE*** to complete the chemistry prerequisite, do the UMAT if you haven't already, and brush up on interview techniques.

Secondly, The University of Melbourne doesn't offer undergraduate medicine anymore due to the 'Melbourne Model'. It's all graduate entry, which means you have to already hold a degree to be eligible to apply.


***another year of VCE is nothing. You're not wasting a year - if you feel like it's going to be a waste of a year then I would rethink your choice of course.

            - also, UMAT. Registrations are closed for this year though. So if you didn't register, try again next year.
            - you can transfer into Adelaide medicine, but you have to transfer from a course at the uni.
            - UNSW takes a 50:50 weighing on GPA and ENTER/ATAR I think ... look it up I'm typing from memory.
            - UTAS, UWA (UWA doesn't take many non-standards) .. forgot which others offer transfer but they are all very competitive.
            - yes, requires UMAT to be considered.


There are alternate pathways into medicine, in general. Like I mentioned with Melbourne, there is graduate entry.
You can finish any bachelor degree - arts, commerce, science, biomed etc, and try to get in. You would have to sit the GAMSAT. (Also you'll need to maintain a competitive GPA with your undergraduate course, by that I mean you'll have a better chance if you score HD's)

The test is divided into three sections designed to assess performance in the areas of:

   1. Reasoning in Humanities and Social Sciences
   2. Written Communication
   3. Reasoning in Biological and Physical Sciences

Note that section three of the GAMSAT requires background knowledge in first year biology and chemistry; also year 12 level physics. It's something like a 6 hours (approx?) test with breaks. See here: http://gamsat.acer.edu.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6&Itemid=236

Just remember that Melbourne Uni has prerequisites for graduate entry too, which is second year or higher in biochemistry, physiology and anatomy.

There will be three Victorian graduate entry medical schools:
- Monash University (Gippsland, not Clayton)
- Deakin University
- University of Melbourne

I'd also consider interstate if you are committed to becoming a doctor.


The best site/forum for information about graduate entry medicine would be Paging Dr.

Other notes
- Some universities have "provisional entry" pathways from high school (i.e. Uni of Sydney with 99.95, ANU with 98 + interview (still have to do GAMSAT), forgot what UQ requirements were so look them up) but you kinda have to study there beforehand (usually with a badass score of 99.95 you'd get a scholarship which pays for accomodation/cost of living etc etc).




As for how long (assuming you're refering to internship + whatsitcalled registrar/fellowship thingy), I don't know lol. Polky, shinny?

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wait, dont u have to do science/ biomedicine. how can u get in from arts or commerce?

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wait, dont u have to do science/ biomedicine. how can u get in from arts or commerce?

There's no discrimination. You just have to get a high GPA. There may be disadvantages though.

It's just that Melbourne uni has prerequisites in anatomy/biochem/physio (you can complete some of these through the CAP ... but it's kinda hard to tailor your course around this), the other graduate entry schools don't.

... but in general a science based course is recommended - especially for the GAMSAT. It's possible to self-study and get in.

Go through the offer threads like:
http://pagingdr.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=apply&action=display&thread=938
and have a look at their undergrad courses. Most are sciencey but commerce, computer science etc pop up.

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How long would all of this take to become a fully qualified medical practitioner?

Depends what you mean. After graduating (5 years for Monash, 6 for most interstate courses or 7 years at UoM (3 years undergrad at UoM followed by 4 years graduate)), then you're qualified in some regards at least. However, when you graduate you're not allowed to practice by yourself until you specialise. This involves from what I know, around 1 year of internship, 1 year of resident, followed by 1 year of being a registrar until you pass your specialist exams and obtain your fellowship. People usually stay as a registrar for 2-3 years from what I've heard.

EDIT: Actually quite a lot of this is wrong I think. I'm checking up on it now since I'm curious anyway. But the gist of it is that it takes basically another 5 or so years after you graduate to become a fully qualified doctor...so, 10-12 years in total typically.

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But the gist of it is that it takes basically another 5 or so years after you graduate to become a fully qualified doctor...so, 10-12 years in total typically.

Few specialties can be completed in 5 years after graduating - maybe Psych & GP. From memory physician training requires at least 3 years basic training and 3 years advanced training after the intern year, proving you pass the exams on your first try (the fail rate is ~30%). Also, many people spend a few years as residents beefing up their résumé in order to gain entry into the training programs of the more hotly contested specialties.

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But the gist of it is that it takes basically another 5 or so years after you graduate to become a fully qualified doctor...so, 10-12 years in total typically.

Few specialties can be completed in 5 years after graduating - maybe Psych & GP. From memory physician training requires at least 3 years basic training and 3 years advanced training after the intern year, proving you pass the exams on your first try (the fail rate is ~30%). Also, many people spend a few years as residents beefing up their résumé in order to gain entry into the training programs of the more hotly contested specialties.

Whoops sorry, forgot to include the length of the specialty training course. Thanks for the correction.