Can you get a 99.95 without Specialist mathematics or Language?

[ombrophile]

Or is it the type of commodity that is next to impossible, but possible nonetheless?

[pi]

Sometime years it's possible, other years it isn't possible.

[rhinwarr]

I'm not sure but if the people doing specialist and/or language get above 50 and full marks their other subjects, then they'll have a higher aggregate then people who full marks all their subjects but DON'T do specialist or language. I guess it depends on how high the marks are of those who take specialist and/or language since ATAR is a percentile.

[Alwin]

yes, pretty much every year iirc, if ofc you didn't mean "english" as a language too

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Jokes i think every year except 2011 when my friend graduated with 99.90 the aggregate was above 210, which is 6 50s (no 50+ from a language other than english or spesh)

And 99.95 or 99.90 are both absolutely awesome amazing (and another alliterations also starting with 'a') achievements!

[lzxnl]

Last year, the cutoff was 209.9 I heard. The year before, it was 210.7 or something. It's ridiculous; you really do need a language or specialist maths to realistically aim for 99.95.

[abeybaby]

yes, pretty much every year iirc, if ofc you didn't mean "english" as a language too

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Jokes i think every year except 2011 when my friend graduated with 99.90 the aggregate was above 210, which is 6 50s (no 50+ from a language other than english or spesh)

And 99.95 or 99.90 are both absolutely awesome amazing (and another alliterations also starting with 'a') achievements!

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[spectroscopy]

if youre sights are set on 99.95, you should definitely at least do specialist, and if you can do a language do that too
it is possible some years to get 99.95 with a <210 aggregate, but even the people who get less than 210, most of them dont get all 50's in their subjects, its still people who did spesh or a language and only got like 48 in english and that sort of thing

tl;dr it may or may not be possible, and if its possible it would still be pretty darn hard

[Alwin]

I'm not sure but if the people doing specialist and/or language get above 50 and full marks their other subjects

its still people who did spesh or a language and only got like 48 in english and that sort of thing

(sorry, don't mean to pick on you two but you kinda prove my point)


Actually wanted to point out a very common misconception about scaling for languages. Every time I tell someone I'm doing Indonesian as one of my subjects (apart from the obvious question why indo from chinese background), they go ooooooooo gonna get 50+?
Answer: NO.

Only ~50% scale above 50, generally the 'stereotypically' hard ones like chinese. BUT I want to point out that 1st language LOTES do not scale above 50, some even scale down (oh the horror )
Some languages only scale to 51 or 52, which isn't the "massive OP bonus" most people expect.

Out of the 50 or so LOTEs, there are only half a dozen with "large scaling":

Chinese (SL)	max SS	54
Chinese (SL Advanced)	max SS	53
Classical Greek	max SS	55
Hebrew	max SS	55
Korean (SL)	max SS	53
Latin	max SS	55

Scaling Report 2012

BUT, I strongly suggest you do not choose these language subjects just for the scaling. You will be competing against a very strong cohort of year 12s. In those 6 subjects the average SS are between 40-45, so a lot a competition. I know a lot of friends that did Chinese from a Chinese background and they didn't go that flash
The same for spesh, to anyone reading this post please never choose a subject based on it's scaling!!! You have to do well in order to get the scaling... or you'll just be wasting time and be at a disadvantage.

Last year, the cutoff was 209.9 I heard. The year before, it was 210.7 or something. It's ridiculous; you really do need a language or specialist maths to realistically aim for 99.95.

I've never seen VTAC publish the aggregate for 99.95 before, in the scaling report it only goes up to 99.90 (207.2 for anyone interested). But 1) Like I said in my first post just do the best you can and the scores will settle themselves out, 2) Choose subjects you like, not just for the scaling because it is possible to get 99.95 with no spesh and no LOTE 3) What are you worried about nliu? owned chinese SL and going to own spesh too

[lzxnl]

(sorry, don't mean to pick on you two but you kinda prove my point)


Actually wanted to point out a very common misconception about scaling for languages. Every time I tell someone I'm doing Indonesian as one of my subjects (apart from the obvious question why indo from chinese background), they go ooooooooo gonna get 50+?
Answer: NO.

Only ~50% scale above 50, generally the 'stereotypically' hard ones like chinese. BUT I want to point out that 1st language LOTES do not scale above 50, some even scale down (oh the horror )
Some languages only scale to 51 or 52, which isn't the "massive OP bonus" most people expect.

Out of the 50 or so LOTEs, there are only half a dozen with "large scaling":

Chinese (SL)	max SS	54
Chinese (SL Advanced)	max SS	53
Classical Greek	max SS	55
Hebrew	max SS	55
Korean (SL)	max SS	53
Latin	max SS	55

Scaling Report 2012

BUT, I strongly suggest you do not choose these language subjects just for the scaling. You will be competing against a very strong cohort of year 12s. In those 6 subjects the average SS are between 40-45, so a lot a competition. I know a lot of friends that did Chinese from a Chinese background and they didn't go that flash
The same for spesh, to anyone reading this post please never choose a subject based on it's scaling!!! You have to do well in order to get the scaling... or you'll just be wasting time and be at a disadvantage.

I've never seen VTAC publish the aggregate for 99.95 before, in the scaling report it only goes up to 99.90 (207.2 for anyone interested). But 1) Like I said in my first post just do the best you can and the scores will settle themselves out, 2) Choose subjects you like, not just for the scaling because it is possible to get 99.95 with no spesh and no LOTE 3) What are you worried about nliu? owned chinese SL and going to own spesh too

Is atarcalc reliable in this regard? I've fiddled with the scores a few times for the sake of it.
As for what I'm worried about...a below 40 in English Language would more than undo a 55 in spesh and my 52 in Chinese. It's not impossible. At the worst I've done so far, I wouldn't make 40. No way.

[spectroscopy]

(sorry, don't mean to pick on you two but you kinda prove my point)


Actually wanted to point out a very common misconception about scaling for languages. Every time I tell someone I'm doing Indonesian as one of my subjects (apart from the obvious question why indo from chinese background), they go ooooooooo gonna get 50+?
Answer: NO.

Only ~50% scale above 50, generally the 'stereotypically' hard ones like chinese. BUT I want to point out that 1st language LOTES do not scale above 50, some even scale down (oh the horror )
Some languages only scale to 51 or 52, which isn't the "massive OP bonus" most people expect.

Out of the 50 or so LOTEs, there are only half a dozen with "large scaling":BUT, I strongly suggest you do not choose these language subjects just for the scaling. You will be competing against a very strong cohort of year 12s. In those 6 subjects the average SS are between 40-45, so a lot a competition. I know a lot of friends that did Chinese from a Chinese background and they didn't go that flash
The same for spesh, to anyone reading this post please never choose a subject based on it's scaling!!! You have to do well in order to get the scaling... or you'll just be wasting time and be at a disadvantage.

I've never seen VTAC publish the aggregate for 99.95 before, in the scaling report it only goes up to 99.90 (207.2 for anyone interested). But 1) Like I said in my first post just do the best you can and the scores will settle themselves out, 2) Choose subjects you like, not just for the scaling because it is possible to get 99.95 with no spesh and no LOTE 3) What are you worried about nliu? owned chinese SL and going to own spesh too

i should have clarified, but when he meant languages in the context of 99.95, im assuming he goes to a decent school and is a good student who will be doing hard languages that scale up above 50 eg jap, french, chinese, latin, classical greek, hebrew etc.

my bad OP

[lala1911]

I'm sure a 99.85 without doing spesh or a language will suffice.

[KevinooBz]

(sorry, don't mean to pick on you two but you kinda prove my point)


Actually wanted to point out a very common misconception about scaling for languages. Every time I tell someone I'm doing Indonesian as one of my subjects (apart from the obvious question why indo from chinese background), they go ooooooooo gonna get 50+?
Answer: NO.

Only ~50% scale above 50, generally the 'stereotypically' hard ones like chinese. BUT I want to point out that 1st language LOTES do not scale above 50, some even scale down (oh the horror )
Some languages only scale to 51 or 52, which isn't the "massive OP bonus" most people expect.

Out of the 50 or so LOTEs, there are only half a dozen with "large scaling":

Chinese (SL)	max SS	54
Chinese (SL Advanced)	max SS	53
Classical Greek	max SS	55
Hebrew	max SS	55
Korean (SL)	max SS	53
Latin	max SS	55

Scaling Report 2012

BUT, I strongly suggest you do not choose these language subjects just for the scaling. You will be competing against a very strong cohort of year 12s. In those 6 subjects the average SS are between 40-45, so a lot a competition. I know a lot of friends that did Chinese from a Chinese background and they didn't go that flash
The same for spesh, to anyone reading this post please never choose a subject based on it's scaling!!! You have to do well in order to get the scaling... or you'll just be wasting time and be at a disadvantage.

I've never seen VTAC publish the aggregate for 99.95 before, in the scaling report it only goes up to 99.90 (207.2 for anyone interested). But 1) Like I said in my first post just do the best you can and the scores will settle themselves out, 2) Choose subjects you like, not just for the scaling because it is possible to get 99.95 with no spesh and no LOTE 3) What are you worried about nliu? owned chinese SL and going to own spesh too

If you're interested, this document shows the aggregate score needed for a 99.95. http://www.vtac.edu.au/pdf/aggregate-ATAR.pdf

[lzxnl]

I'm sure a 99.85 without doing spesh or a language will suffice.

Scholarships require 99.90 generally.

[lala1911]

Scholarships require 99.90 generally.

Don't you hate it how 0.05 ATAR score can influence your life.

[abeybaby]

Don't you hate it how 0.05 ATAR score can influence your life.

Don't you hate it how 0.05 ATAR score can influence your life.

Don't you hate it how 0.05 ATAR score can influence your life.

Oh how this reminds me of myself 3 years ago. It's okay, life works out in the end