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Alpha Amino Acid Polarity
« on: November 09, 2013, 06:44:15 pm »
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Hey guys I just have some problems with Amino Acid polarities that I was hoping you guys could clarify. When they give you a bunch of amino acids and then they ask you which one will adsorb to the polar stationary phase most (i.e-which amino acid is most polar) what is the best way to differentiate their polarities? Like I know that it is the Z groups that cause the polarity of the molecule but sometimes I can't tell which Z group is more polar.
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Re: Alpha Amino Acid Polarity
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2013, 07:59:04 pm »
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You are correct in looking at the Z-group.  Base polarity on that part of the molecule and apply your normal polarity rules.
- symmetrical -less polar.
- More OH's more polar.
- Longer the group less polar it is (to an extent, you need to weigh up if the long group still has some OH's some where.
- NH2's = polar
- Cystine - polar, but will not hydrogen bond so less so than OH/NH2.

These are some general ideas, we will see what other have to say.


Hey guys I just have some problems with Amino Acid polarities that I was hoping you guys could clarify. When they give you a bunch of amino acids and then they ask you which one will adsorb to the polar stationary phase most (i.e-which amino acid is most polar) what is the best way to differentiate their polarities? Like I know that it is the Z groups that cause the polarity of the molecule but sometimes I can't tell which Z group is more polar.
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Re: Alpha Amino Acid Polarity
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2013, 09:06:56 pm »
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You are correct in looking at the Z-group.  Base polarity on that part of the molecule and apply your normal polarity rules.
- symmetrical -less polar.
- More OH's more polar.
- Longer the group less polar it is (to an extent, you need to weigh up if the long group still has some OH's some where.
- NH2's = polar
- Cystine - polar, but will not hydrogen bond so less so than OH/NH2.

These are some general ideas, we will see what other have to say.



Thank you so much!
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Re: Alpha Amino Acid Polarity
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2013, 11:03:56 pm »
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Note that this will be influenced by the pH of the solution which makes up your mobile phase. For example, if you have a really basic solution with lots of deprotonating OH- ions, then a lysine residue is going to mainly have an -NH2 at the end of its Z group. However, if the solution is really acidic then lysine will be mainly protonated an have a positive charge (with the Z group ending in -NH3+). Hence potentially charged amino acids will interact with the stationary phase differently at different pHs.

Normally I would consider this point to be outside the VCE chem course, but since they've merged U3 and U4 this year, there's no reason why a question involving this idea couldn't be asked (the concept being a combination of U3 biochemistry and U4 equilibrium acid/base chemistry).
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Re: Alpha Amino Acid Polarity
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2013, 11:29:31 pm »
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What I don't get is...how is cysteine polar? Sulfur has pretty much the same electronegativity as carbon, so saying S-H bonds are polar is like saying C-H are polar.
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Re: Alpha Amino Acid Polarity
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2013, 02:03:08 am »
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What I don't get is...how is cysteine polar? Sulfur has pretty much the same electronegativity as carbon, so saying S-H bonds are polar is like saying C-H are polar.

This is the fault of the "electronegativity theory". It doesn't work very well, you see.

C-H bonds *are* polar. The problem is, since C only has 4 valence electrons, it doesn't really form any compounds where it has a lone pair, and so the polarity is always more or less cancelled out due to the geometry, e.g. CH4 has the four polar C-H bonds but cancels out to a net dipole of 0.

As for the S-H bond, S is in the same group as O. Its bond geometry will give lone pairs of electrons. It therefore has a large polarity like an O-H bond, but slightly weaker than O-H.
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Re: Alpha Amino Acid Polarity
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2013, 09:33:15 am »
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Ah. Ok. That makes sense. Thanks ^_^
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