Pulley Question Possibly To Be Taken Off The Exam?

[Robert123]

http://www.vicphysics.org/documents/teachers/StudyDesignChanges.doc

This document gives a summary of all the new study design changes

[Twanny666]

No they will not take it off. It is technically on the curriculum, as it is an application of Newtons Laws. In fact, I believe the majority of questions should mirror this for all subjects, more thinking required and less memorizing the course.

But it wasn't at all a question where thinking was required, the kids who got it right generally had done it on past exams or where doing Spesh Maths where it was taught and clearly on the curriculum,
Where as I had been told by my teacher to just avoid them.

Oh well... lol

[lzxnl]

Admittedly, it is slightly ironic that there is arguably more advanced physics in spesh than in physics.

[Scooby]

Yeah, they don't tend to take questions off the exams. There was a question one year in a psych exam that was completely off the course (about 84% got 0/2) and they left it in

[vcestudent94]

But it wasn't at all a question where thinking was required, the kids who got it right generally had done it on past exams or where doing Spesh Maths where it was taught and clearly on the curriculum,
Where as I had been told by my teacher to just avoid them.

Oh well... lol

But it is a simple application of Newton's law, F=ma?
Fnet=mg-T=ma

[jeff.]

But it wasn't at all a question where thinking was required, the kids who got it right generally had done it on past exams or where doing Spesh Maths where it was taught and clearly on the curriculum,

It was if you hadn't done it before. You had a situation where you could apply Newton's laws in a way you hadn't seen before.

[Stick]

I don't do Physics Units 3 & 4, but I remember doing pulley questions in Units 1 & 2 from the textbook.

[Hancock]

It's a question that has been pretty core for the last couple of years, so I don't really think it should be a surprised that it's still in the course...

[Robert123]

Also saying that the verticale circular motion question shouldn't be on here since that was take off the course as well

[SocialRhubarb]

Also saying that the verticale circular motion question shouldn't be on here since that was take off the course as well

What was wrong with that question?

[SocialRhubarb]

Nothing he was just using it as an example to show the ridiculousness or this thread lol

Oh okay. I think the OP has a valid point, that you can't ask things that are off the study design, but I guess the fact that similar questions were in past papers without any notable changes to this area in the study design suggests that it is included in the study design, even if it's not explicitly mentioned.

But honestly, you can't really derive that much from the study design, I mean "analyse Newton’s three laws of motion as applied to situations with two or more forces acting along a straight line and in two dimensions" - it's such a generic statement I don't think it really helps your learning at all.

[datfatcat]

Pulley is just an "application" of Newton's Three Laws of motion, so I don't think they will take the question off. 

[PGBP]

Nope, you're not gonna get by in VCE simply rote-learning 'dot points' (Except in business management). You need to be able to apply your knowledge (which sorts out the hacks from the natties), and this was a relatively straightforward application.

[Robert123]

Nothing he was just using it as an example to show the ridiculousness or this thread lol

Sorry basicacid but you misinterpret my post completely, I agree with the original post and I think VCAA was very misleading with what was going to be on it (not saying the content is difficult but many students were informed not to worry about certain topics which occur on the exam).
My teacher sent me an email with a quote from a comment in a VCE physic teacher for thingy ( not entirely sure) and they did remark that vertical circular motion was off the study design which they were told about at a VCAA physic conference thingy.

I'm sure many students would of been in the same situation, my school didn't even bother to do any vertical circular motion at all (but then again, we basically skipped half the content of the course).

[SocialRhubarb]

But again, vertical circular motion has come up in past papers, so you'd need to show some sort of meaningful change in the study design for it to be off the course.