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Re: VCE Chemistry Question Thread
« Reply #6405 on: July 02, 2017, 02:15:02 pm »
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Say we have a closed system in equilibrium. We remove some products, and thus cause the reaction to shift to the right and products to be produced. However, according to LCP, the concentration of products will never reach the concentration of the original equilibrium. Does this mean that the yield of the reaction has decreased relative to the original equilibrium? Shouldn't we have "more products" if we include the products we took out and the products the system produced?

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« Reply #6406 on: July 02, 2017, 02:24:33 pm »
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Say we have a closed system in equilibrium. We remove some products, and thus cause the reaction to shift to the right and products to be produced. However, according to LCP, the concentration of products will never reach the concentration of the original equilibrium. Does this mean that the yield of the reaction has decreased relative to the original equilibrium? Shouldn't we have "more products" if we include the products we took out and the products the system produced?

With LCP, removing products shifts the system to the right, correct. This will shift the remaining reactants to balance the equilibrium again, but the concentration won't be the same since no new reactants were added.

The yield is actually increased because more product was produced, including your removed products. This is actually used in industry such as dehydration of ethanol.

The reaction uses a concentrated sulfuric acid catalyst as a dehydrating agent to remove water as it forms. This shifts the reaction spontaneously to the right, thus massively boosting the yield of ethene that would have been much less. This is also used in the Haber Process (liquefying ammonia), and in esterification (dehydrating water).

Basically, removing products is used to boost yield since you also have the removed products. In practice, they usually add more reactants into the vessel as they remove products because they want to continue the system.
Hope this helps :)
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Re: VCE Chemistry Question Thread
« Reply #6407 on: July 03, 2017, 03:20:44 pm »
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When using the formula energy = mc(deltaT) do we assume 1g = 1mL of water? In the data booklet it says that density of water is 0.997 g/mL, so do we convert mL to g using that formula first?

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Re: VCE Chemistry Question Thread
« Reply #6408 on: July 03, 2017, 04:25:15 pm »
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When using the formula energy = mc(deltaT) do we assume 1g = 1mL of water? In the data booklet it says that density of water is 0.997 g/mL, so do we convert mL to g using that formula first?

I would go with what the data booklet says. If VCAA wants you to use 0.997 g/ml in the exam, then use that. It's more safer than using 1 g/ml

(A few years ago there was a case where students lost a mark for being 0.01 off the actual answer in specialist, so I would say that they would be quite strict for chemistry as well)
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Re: VCE Chemistry Question Thread
« Reply #6409 on: July 03, 2017, 08:35:27 pm »
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Hello everyone! First post in the chemistry question thread hehe it is quite thrilling :D

Anyways, I was wondering if you guys could help me with my practical investigation. So basically, my research is about Vitamin C and figuring out its molar concentration (which I will convert into mg later on) in lemons, oranges and vitamin c tablets. I was wondering if a research question like "How much Vitamin C is needed in our diet every day?" is appropriate.
If I do go with this research question, would I have to include recommended dietary intake for adults (males/females) for example in my introduction?

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Re: VCE Chemistry Question Thread
« Reply #6410 on: July 03, 2017, 09:08:40 pm »
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Hello everyone! First post in the chemistry question thread hehe it is quite thrilling :D

Anyways, I was wondering if you guys could help me with my practical investigation. So basically, my research is about Vitamin C and figuring out its molar concentration (which I will convert into mg later on) in lemons, oranges and vitamin c tablets. I was wondering if a research question like "How much Vitamin C is needed in our diet every day?" is appropriate.
If I do go with this research question, would I have to include recommended dietary intake for adults (males/females) for example in my introduction?

NEED HELP ASAP !!
Any suggestions and recommendations is welcome !

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Experiment background and methodology : http://seniorchem.com/eei.html (Look for stability of vitamin c ...)
Other potential research questions : http://science.halleyhosting.com/sci/soph/organic/quest.htm

Hi,

Welcome to the Chem board :P

Practical Invesitgation: I don't think that question would really meet the requirements. I mean how do you know what is the correct amount of ascorbic acid for humans? Comparing the amount of ascorbic acid in certain liquids is a different story to calculating how much would be required (I am not sure how you would do that with the given material in schools). Rather I would recommend comparing how much Vitamin C is obtained from each liquid with the same quantity. This will lead you onto making inferences that liquid A has a higher concentration of ascorbic acid than liquid B and/or liquid C (so you can talk about which liquid is better in terms of having more vitamin C than the other).

Otherwise I reckon the overall idea seems fine.
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Re: VCE Chemistry Question Thread
« Reply #6411 on: July 03, 2017, 09:24:27 pm »
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Welcome to the Chem board :P

Practical Invesitgation: I don't think that question would really meet the requirements. I mean how do you know what is the correct amount of ascorbic acid for humans? Comparing the amount of ascorbic acid in certain liquids is a different story to calculating how much would be required (I am not sure how you would do that with the given material in schools). Rather I would recommend comparing how much Vitamin C is obtained from each liquid with the same quantity. This will lead you onto making inferences that liquid A has a higher concentration of ascorbic acid than liquid B and/or liquid C (so you can talk about which liquid is better in terms of having more vitamin C than the other).

Otherwise I reckon the overall idea seems fine.

Ah yes that makes sense. What do you think of a research question like "How does the concentration of ascorbic acid differ from fruits and tablets?"
I feel like that one isn't really good enough.. please recommend some T_T
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Re: VCE Chemistry Question Thread
« Reply #6412 on: July 03, 2017, 10:14:51 pm »
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Just wondering for organic molecule reactions, for example the reaction of methanol to chloromethane, are we expected to know the states of all products and reactants? I've been told that we don't.

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Re: VCE Chemistry Question Thread
« Reply #6413 on: July 03, 2017, 11:07:52 pm »
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Just wondering for organic molecule reactions, for example the reaction of methanol to chloromethane, are we expected to know the states of all products and reactants? I've been told that we don't.

You should know the states of reactions because it's more professional if you do.
In the VCE Syllabus, it says you should know the states for combustion, so I assume you should know it for other reactions.
In the HSC, you would definitely lose marks for no/wrong states (which I did once :()
I would know it to be safe.

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Re: VCE Chemistry Question Thread
« Reply #6414 on: July 04, 2017, 08:28:13 am »
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Just wondering for organic molecule reactions, for example the reaction of methanol to chloromethane, are we expected to know the states of all products and reactants? I've been told that we don't.

For this reaction you should definitely whether you are using Cl2(g) or HCl(aq). If you are writing the structural formula you don't list the states, but they may ask you to "name Reactant A" in which case it's safer to.

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Re: VCE Chemistry Question Thread
« Reply #6415 on: July 04, 2017, 02:35:09 pm »
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Ah yes that makes sense. What do you think of a research question like "How does the concentration of ascorbic acid differ from fruits and tablets?"
I feel like that one isn't really good enough.. please recommend some T_T


Seems fine. Just make sure your independent and dependent variables can be identified in your question (You have done this, but I am telling you in case you decide to change the prac).

I think rather than saying concentration, you would be better off saying "amount of" because no matter how much water you use to dissolve the tablets in, the amount of mol is going to remain the same. Also being more specific would help. So instead of just writing tablets, write "X grams" Vitamin C tablets.
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Re: VCE Chemistry Question Thread
« Reply #6416 on: July 04, 2017, 03:24:31 pm »
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Seems fine. Just make sure your independent and dependent variables can be identified in your question (You have done this, but I am telling you in case you decide to change the prac).

I think rather than saying concentration, you would be better off saying "amount of" because no matter how much water you use to dissolve the tablets in, the amount of mol is going to remain the same. Also being more specific would help. So instead of just writing tablets, write "X grams" Vitamin C tablets.

Thank you so much! I'm going to go with with the aim "To determine the amount of ascorbic acid in the samples..."
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Re: VCE Chemistry Question Thread
« Reply #6417 on: July 04, 2017, 03:48:34 pm »
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Hello again (sorry for the multiple questions  :-\ ) btw this one is related to my practical investigation so please scroll up and you'll find all the details there :)

When you get a vitamin c tablet from Coles and it says it contains 250 mg , does that mean that that is the m(vitc) ? I know it's a pretty straightforward answer but I just wanted to make sure.
Also, if 250 mg actually is m(vitC) given that C(KIO3)= 0.004235 , M(vitC) = 176.12, how do you find the V(KIO3)?

Attempt :
V(KIO3)= (m(vitC) / M(vitC) / C(KIO3))/3
            = (0.25/176.12/0.004235)/3
            = 0.1117 L
            = 111.7 mL

And one last thing!
How would I convert m(vitC) to mg/100 ml?
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Re: VCE Chemistry Question Thread
« Reply #6418 on: July 04, 2017, 05:43:06 pm »
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Hello again (sorry for the multiple questions  :-\ ) btw this one is related to my practical investigation so please scroll up and you'll find all the details there :)

When you get a vitamin c tablet from Coles and it says it contains 250 mg , does that mean that that is the m(vitc) ? I know it's a pretty straightforward answer but I just wanted to make sure.
Also, if 250 mg actually is m(vitC) given that C(KIO3)= 0.004235 , M(vitC) = 176.12, how do you find the V(KIO3)?

Attempt :
V(KIO3)= (m(vitC) / M(vitC) / C(KIO3))/3
            = (0.25/176.12/0.004235)/3
            = 0.1117 L
            = 111.7 mL

And one last thing!
How would I convert m(vitC) to mg/100 ml?


Yea m(ascorbic) = 250 mg
To calculate the titre value (V(KIO3)), firstly calculate the mol of ascorbic acid using n = m/M.
Then write the equation of the reaction between the two. Using  stoichiometry, calculate n(KIO3) and multiply it by c(KIO3).

To calculate the m/v %, just divide m(ascorbic) by the amount of water you will dissolve the tables into.
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Re: VCE Chemistry Question Thread
« Reply #6419 on: July 06, 2017, 12:08:59 pm »
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Any idea what type of graph is best to represent titrations?
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