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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #7320 on: February 27, 2016, 07:53:06 pm »
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hi !   ;D
we've started chapter two (unit 3) yesterday on enzymes and i was wondering whether anyone would mind explaining what coenzymes, cofactors and inhibitors are; i know a little bit about them but i feel like i definetly need a deeper understanding.  :o

Hey you're from Geelong too :D I went to school next door (when we were there!)

Pretty sure the difference between coenzymes and cofactors is that the former are organic molecules, whereas the latter tend to be metal ions. Both do pretty much the same thing though; that is, helping the enzyme to do its thang. Indeed, the majority of enzymes won't work without some form of cofactor/coenzyme.
Inhibitors, on the other hand, are molecules that block the function of enzymes. THey can either bind to the enzyme at its active site, or bind at another site—a so-called allosteric site (meaning that it's not the active site)—and change the shape of the enzyme so that it can't bind the substrate and catalyse the reaction.

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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #7321 on: February 27, 2016, 10:04:32 pm »
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Hey guys, I'm in yr11 doing Bio and I was thinking of doing questions from past VCAA papers from what I have learnt so far in Biology this year. Should I leave some papers for later in the year so I can do them under timed conditions or is it better to do questions with all the VCAA papers???
ALSO, what are the most recommended company papers I should do???

I would say worry about the exam papers later because you'll probably end up forgetting everything by the end of the year and you'll just do them again.
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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #7322 on: February 27, 2016, 10:15:46 pm »
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Hey guys,

I did a bio prac at school the other day and the prac was just us placing 3 slices of beetroot (equal in size) into distilled water, detergent, detergent solution and vinegar. We were told to pay attention to the betacyanin pigment and how each different solution gave us different results in terms of the leakage of the pigment. The betacyanin pigment is found in the vacuole and it's probably made out of lipids.

Without telling you my results, how would you expect the leakage of betacyanin to differ between the solutions? And can you please provide a detailed description as to why it happens.

It doesn't matter if you're completely wrong, I just want to know other people's views. :)

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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #7323 on: February 27, 2016, 10:39:42 pm »
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Hey guys,

I did a bio prac at school the other day and the prac was just us placing 3 slices of beetroot (equal in size) into distilled water, detergent, detergent solution and vinegar. We were told to pay attention to the betacyanin pigment and how each different solution gave us different results in terms of the leakage of the pigment. The betacyanin pigment is found in the vacuole and it's probably made out of lipids.

Without telling you my results, how would you expect the leakage of betacyanin to differ between the solutions? And can you please provide a detailed description as to why it happens.

It doesn't matter if you're completely wrong, I just want to know other people's views. :)

Cheers.

How about you give us your view first. It's your SAC, don't ask to do your work for you! :)

(handy hint though: what do detergents do to lipids?)



Distilled: no leakage, membranes stay in tact because water doesn't typically do them damage

Detergent: complete leakage, detergents disrupt membranes and would effectively blast through the plasma membrane and the vacuolar membrane, thus liberating the pigment

Vinegar: intermediate leakage, because vinegar is an acid and acids damage membranes.
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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #7324 on: February 28, 2016, 09:07:44 am »
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Hey you're from Geelong too :D I went to school next door (when we were there!)

Pretty sure the difference between coenzymes and cofactors is that the former are organic molecules, whereas the latter tend to be metal ions. Both do pretty much the same thing though; that is, helping the enzyme to do its thang. Indeed, the majority of enzymes won't work without some form of cofactor/coenzyme.
Inhibitors, on the other hand, are molecules that block the function of enzymes. THey can either bind to the enzyme at its active site, or bind at another site—a so-called allosteric site (meaning that it's not the active site)—and change the shape of the enzyme so that it can't bind the substrate and catalyse the reaction.
oh cool!!!!! thats funny!
thanks so much for your help, i really appreciate it.

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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #7325 on: February 28, 2016, 10:42:06 am »
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How about you give us your view first. It's your SAC, don't ask to do your work for you! :)

(handy hint though: what do detergents do to lipids?)


Hahaha I wasn't asking people to do my work as I already know (I think) why I got each result.


What do you think would have happened if we carried out the same experiment but instead of leaving the solutions at room temperature we heated up the solutions then poured them over the slices? Likewise what do you think would have happened if we cooled down the temperature of the solutions?


Water: No leakage because the water most probably moved into the cells because of the difference in osmotic gradient (pressure?), allowing the cell to become turgid. Detergent: Allows lipids to dissolve in water because its an amphipathic molecule and therefore dissolves both the plasma membrane and the vacuole's membrane, releasing the betacyaning. Also, detergent has an extreme pH that denatures all proteins including the ones that are found on the membranes. Vinegar: Denatures all proteins found on membranes which causes them to move out of the way and hence create holes in the membranes. This releases the betacyanin in small amounts.
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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #7326 on: February 28, 2016, 11:02:35 am »
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Hahaha I wasn't asking people to do my work as I already know (I think) why I got each result.


What do you think would have happened if we carried out the same experiment but instead of leaving the solutions at room temperature we heated up the solutions then poured them over the slices? Likewise what do you think would have happened if we cooled down the temperature of the solutions?


Water: No leakage because the water most probably moved into the cells because of the difference in osmotic gradient (pressure?), allowing the cell to become turgid. Detergent: Allows lipids to dissolve in water because its an amphipathic molecule and therefore dissolves both the plasma membrane and the vacuole's membrane, releasing the betacyaning. Also, detergent has an extreme pH that denatures all proteins including the ones that are found on the membranes. Vinegar: Denatures all proteins found on membranes which causes them to move out of the way and hence create holes in the membranes. This releases the betacyanin in small amounts.

Colder you'd probably expect less. Basically, everything happens more slowly when it's cold.

Heat though depends on how much you heat it up. I meant if you heat the distilled water up enough you'll denature the proteins in the membrane and probably damage the integrity of the membrane itself too.

This is probably the harder of the osmosis pracs if truth be told, as not a lot of people understand what detergents do and the link between the acids and membrane proteins is also tricky. It makes it a good experiment though.

oh cool!!!!! thats funny!
thanks so much for your help, i really appreciate it.

No worries at all :D
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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #7327 on: February 28, 2016, 11:11:40 am »
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Questions about stuff I am not confident with:

- Why do amphipathic molecules make lipids soluble? Do they make all hydrophobic molecules hydrophilic or how exactly does it work?

- Why is it that teritiary structures are said to have a 3d shape? Aren't they all 3d?

- What is a good term (umbrella term) that I can use to group all proteins found on a membrane?

With regards to protein structure, is the following correct?

      - Primary structure: Long chains of amino acids that only form peptide bonds to create a polypeptide.

      - Secondary structure:  Amino acids are linked together via peptide and hydrogen bonds. They come in Alpha helices, Beta pleated sheets and random coiling.

      - Teritiary structure: Amino acids are linked via peptide, hydrogen, covalent (disulfide bridges/bonds) and ionic bonds.

      - Quaternary structure: Are composed of 2 or more peptides bonded together.

Also if there is anything you think I should then feel free to comment.

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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #7328 on: February 28, 2016, 11:21:55 am »
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Colder you'd probably expect less. Basically, everything happens more slowly when it's cold.

Heat though depends on how much you heat it up. I meant if you heat the distilled water up enough you'll denature the proteins in the membrane and probably damage the integrity of the membrane itself too.

This is probably the harder of the osmosis pracs if truth be told, as not a lot of people understand what detergents do and the link between the acids and membrane proteins is also tricky. It makes it a good experiment though.


But what about the link between the acids and proteins? Other than the significant change in pH (which makes the proteins denature) what else could happen?

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« Reply #7329 on: February 28, 2016, 01:41:41 pm »
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Yo its me again. Just wanted to know what the differences are between the nuclear membrane (or nuclear envelope) and the plasma membrane. Do both follow the fluid mosaic model? Or is the nuclear membrane different?

Your help is very much appreciated  :)
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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #7330 on: February 28, 2016, 01:47:36 pm »
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Questions about stuff I am not confident with:

- Why do amphipathic molecules make lipids soluble? Do they make all hydrophobic molecules hydrophilic or how exactly does it work?

- Why is it that teritiary structures are said to have a 3d shape? Aren't they all 3d?

- What is a good term (umbrella term) that I can use to group all proteins found on a membrane?

With regards to protein structure, is the following correct?

      - Primary structure: Long chains of amino acids that only form peptide bonds to create a polypeptide.

      - Secondary structure:  Amino acids are linked together via peptide and hydrogen bonds. They come in Alpha helices, Beta pleated sheets and random coiling.

      - Teritiary structure: Amino acids are linked via peptide, hydrogen, covalent (disulfide bridges/bonds) and ionic bonds.

      - Quaternary structure: Are composed of 2 or more peptides bonded together.

Also if there is anything you think I should then feel free to comment.

Thanks!

1. Detergents are tricky to explain, because they're really similar to phospholipids. Basically though, the key difference between detergents and phospholipids is that detergents like to form balls, whereas phospholipids prefer to form bilayers. Not going to go into why that's the case, other than to say it has to do with the shape of the molecules.



What detergents basically do is bind fats by their hydrophobic tail and bind water by the hydrophilic head, much like phospholipids. This allows them to form balls called micelles that dissolve in water (because the heads are on the outside of the micelle) and that store lipids in their core. This is what they do to fats, what they do to phospholipids is much the same and is shown above. Rather than the phospholipid being stored in the core of the micelle, it is stored in the micelle itself, substituting a detergent molecule.

If this doesn't make sense, don't worry about it too much—it's beyond VCE. Just know that they can disrupt fat droplets and bilayers and you're sweet.

2. A true point. Tertiary structure gives the toplogy of the molecule, its functional shape as it were. So tertiary structure describes how all of the secondary structures fold into each other to make a particular shape.

3. Membrane proteins (genuinely what they're called technically)

4. Each level of structure is a distinct unit. So secondary structure, for instance, doesn't include the peptide bonds between amino acids. That is the protein's primary structure. So secondary structure doesn't describe a state that the protein is in, it describes some of the elements of the protein's structure.

If that doesn't make sense, think of it this way. A protein simultaneously has primary, secondary and tertiary structure. Its primary structure is the order of amino acids (linked by peptide/amide bonds), its secondary structure arises from hydrogen bonding between hte peptide backchain forming alpha-helices, beta-sheets and random coils and its tertiary structure is the overall topology of the protein, formed by a host of interactions between R-groups, including salt bridges, hydrogen bonds, disulphide bridges etc etc.


Yo its me again. Just wanted to know what the differences are between the nuclear membrane (or nuclear envelope) and the plasma membrane. Do both follow the fluid mosaic model? Or is the nuclear membrane different?

Your help is very much appreciated  :)

Nuclear membranes are double folded, whereas plasma membranes aren't. Google some images, will make sense :)
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« Reply #7331 on: February 28, 2016, 01:49:28 pm »
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Yo its me again. Just wanted to know what the differences are between the nuclear membrane (or nuclear envelope) and the plasma membrane. Do both follow the fluid mosaic model? Or is the nuclear membrane different?

Your help is very much appreciated  :)

Both the plasma membrane and the nuclear membrane are composed of a phospholipid bilayer. The nuclear membrane has porous openings in it so that the mRNA transcripts can easily exit the nucleus and locate ribosomes in the cytoplasm. Same goes with the cell membrane, it has small pores in which small polar molecules such as water and oxygen are able to diffuse through. Not much difference, and even if there was, its not really required for VCE. However, there is a small difference, we know that the Rough ER is almost attached to the nuclear membrane, and so this acts as a secondary membrane to the nucleus, something that is not really required for VCE, but really good to know.
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« Reply #7332 on: February 28, 2016, 01:51:30 pm »
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Both the plasma membrane and the nuclear membrane are composed of a phospholipid bilayer. The nuclear membrane has porous openings in it so that the mRNA transcripts can easily exit the nucleus and locate ribosomes in the cytoplasm. Same goes with the cell membrane, it has small pores in which small polar molecules such as water and oxygen are able to diffuse through. Not much difference, and even if there was, its not really required for VCE. However, there is a small difference, we know that the Rough ER is almost attached to the nuclear membrane, and so this acts as a secondary membrane to the nucleus, something that is not really required for VCE, but really good to know.

Strictly speaking this isn't true. The so-called pores in the plasma membrane are basically just tiny gaps between the phospholipids, whereas the pores in the nuclear membrane involve large complexes of proteins that allow the passage of RNAs, ribosomes, nuclear proteins etc. The key difference is that the nuclear membrane is a double-folded membrane, as above :)



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« Reply #7333 on: February 28, 2016, 02:02:39 pm »
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Strictly speaking this isn't true. The so-called pores in the plasma membrane are basically just tiny gaps between the phospholipids, whereas the pores in the nuclear membrane involve large complexes of proteins that allow the passage of RNAs, ribosomes, nuclear proteins etc. The key difference is that the nuclear membrane is a double-folded membrane, as above :)

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Haha mate that diagram look so complex. All I can remember is reading from the Nature of Biology during year 12 that the nuclear membrane is surrounded by the membranes of the rough ER, hence making it a double membrane. Im not saying you are wrong, hell, you are Mr. T-Rav, but for VCE thats the required knowledge xD
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« Reply #7334 on: February 28, 2016, 02:05:39 pm »
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Haha mate that diagram look so complex. All I can remember is reading from the Nature of Biology during year 12 that the nuclear membrane is surrounded by the membranes of the rough ER, hence making it a double membrane. Im not saying you are wrong, hell, you are Mr. T-Rav, but for VCE thats the required knowledge xD

hahaha that diagram is certainly a bit beyond what you'd be expected to produce in VCE :p I just wanted to illustrate that the nuclear pores are actually really complex. It's really unfortunate that in VCE teachers tend to refer to "pores" in the plasma membrane. It's not reallly the case if truth be told. Here's a diagram that's more VCE friendly. As you'll see, the outer nuclear membrane and the ER membrane are actually continuous.

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