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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #615 on: October 22, 2014, 08:42:54 pm »
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Hello Lauren,
Whats another way of saying that 'family is of upmost importance?'


I'm not Lauren but a suggestion is "family is the main priority"
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« Reply #616 on: October 22, 2014, 09:54:49 pm »
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How would I form a contention from:
topic - The novel is ultimately about the indissoluble ties of family.
-   This connects them to a common humanity
-   This allows them to overcome social barriers
-   Over comes physical barriers

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« Reply #617 on: October 23, 2014, 10:32:03 am »
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Zezima:
I'd try and avoid commenting on bias as it's not really something the author is consciously doing in order to persuade the audience, and that's really where the focus should be. However, bias can give way to some worthwhile devices, eg. antanagogue which is similar to what you're describing. Analysing deliberate decisions the author has made is usually more effective than commenting on their actual opinion, as the latter can get a tad evaluative.

LiquidPaperz:
Again, I can't just give you the ideas, that's part of the task for Context. I've listed heaps on the examples thread as a starting point, but you're meant to be exploring these avenues on your own. What do you think a good idea might be? When you try and come up with a contention for the prompt, what are you basing your judgements on?
Refer to the link in first post regarding which forms/styles are 'best.'

Jesse C:
I'll give you some general comments now, but in future try and leave this thread for general questions. The Submissions and Marking Board is where you'd post full essays if you want feedback :)
-Try to paraphrase rather than quote absolutely anything that fits. Sentences like ' suggesting they ‘inhabit’ a ‘region’ of the ‘real world’,' sound a bit laboured, and it's really only the last two words that are important to your analysis.
-Re: overarching analysis, read the 'key players method' explanation earlier in this thread (should be a link in the first post.) This should give you a half-way point between really general contention discussion, and close/technique-based analysis.
-It's not compulsory to mention a technique/device every time you analyse. In fact, a lot of what's persuasive in articles isn't the use of a rhetorical question or alliteration, but rather an overall appeal to one of our core values. Techniques are still worth mentioning of course, but don't let them be the basis for your analysis. Personally, I found it easier to work inwards from a big idea (ie. para focus: 'the author wants us to view the government as foolish and inept' --> what are some examples of this positioning --> how are the audience made to feel as a result --> why does the author want them to feel this way.) Each paragraph can do this what-how-why pattern a couple of times, but it should also have an overall sense of starting big, zooming in, and zooming back out to that big idea. This gives your analysis more direction, and even though structure isn't a huge part of the L.A. criteria, it can be easier for your assessor to follow a paragraph that begins with 'The author's aggressive demonisation of the government forms part of his attack on all who support the proposal' as opposed to  'The author uses inclusive language seven times, and also three rhetorical questions.'
Not all good analyses do it this way, but it should provide you with a solid option at least.
-Yes, it's okay to break up analysis sometimes; you don't want to be too formulaic in your approach. Usually some of the best and most insightful analysis comes when you examine how certain techniques work in conjunction with one another, or something like that. You should never evaluate the argument though, (ie. don't zoom out too far and end up talking about the issue, or pitting one approach against another in terms of which one is more persuasive.)
I'm sure I've missed at least one of your questions, but have a read through this and the key player explanation and get back to me, hopefully that should clear up some misconceptions.
edit: the reason you've heard conflicting recommendations is because every teacher has their own preferred method. Some like all the analysis spelt out for them, others prefer a very well structured piece, even if the analysis is shaky. Ideally you'll find your own variation that fulfills the criteria, so of course you can modify any approach as you see fit. Structuring by key players was something I discovered towards the end of Term 3, so not all of my analyses are like this. However, once I settled into that format, I found the actual process of analysing much more intuitive.

Yaccoub:
It's not an official criterion, and you could potentially score well without mentioning one or two, but if something has been included, then there's probably a reason, and I guarantee you'll fine at least one thing to analyse in each comment/text. I'd probably try and cover them all, unless you think doing so would negatively impact your other analysis. If you favour long-ish body paragraphs then you should be able to link one or two of them into the main text (either by common appeal (eg. '...this forms part of A's sympathetic appeal to parental concern. Similarly, B also calls upon readers' desire to protect the vulnerable, though his argument is much more defensive...'), or just the fact that their contentions are in opposition (eg. '...thereby furthering A's contention that football is awesome. By contrast, B refutes to sport as seen...') )
Possible structure for a core article with two images and three comments:
Para 1: Core text + first image
Para 2: Core text + first comment + second comment
Para 3: Core text + third comment + second visual
And you can mix and match depending on your paragraph numbers/length, as well as which comments work well when discussed together. Also, for most VCAA pieces, they'll tend to give you really obvious links between multi-text pieces. For instance, whatever the author is discussing during a powerpoint presentation will probably link to what's being displayed on the screen if there's a relevant image (this was especially true of 2010)

Valyria:
There's no real difference between 'Discuss' and 'Do you agree?' In both instances you'll be discussing whether or not you agree :) Though I found, for certain texts at least, the 'Do you agree?'s invited more challenging than the 'Discuss' prompts. Rather than having just one paragraph dedicated to a challenge though, I tried to make my contention more complex and challenge throughout all the body paragraphs. This didn't always work though, so the 3:1 ratio is probably better than 4 paragraphs that ignore alternate views. Don't undercut yourself too much; the end of your challenge should come back to your contention, eg. '...thus Juliet also shouldered some responsibility. However, ultimately it was Romeo's foolhardy pursuit of love that unraveled both the lovers and their families.'

AmericanBeauty:
The idea of a tree falling and no one hearing it is pretty common, so you should be able to refer to the idea without the need to quote. Even if it's quite short, the evidence is usually more effective when you reword it to suit your purpose, rather than simply reciting a poem you've memorised.

yang dong:
Try and come up with some of your own ideas, even if you're worried they may be wrong, being able to critically think for yourself is essential at the time of year. Just start unpicking the idea irrespective of the text if you need; why is telling a story important, and why might those stories be inaccurate or embellished sometimes?

magneto:
thesaurus.com/browse/utmost
thesaurus.com/browse/importance :)
It seems like your evidence centres around the power of family as a unifying force, maybe start there? What exactly are you having trouble with in forming a contention? Giving you one to use isn't really teaching you anything.



Apologies if I've misread/left out parts of your questions. Let me know if you guys need any more help, but in general, please don't post anything along the lines of 'how do I answer this prompt' or 'what are some ideas for ___.' That might be what you need help with, but rather than using me or the forums as an idea generator, try and work out why you're having trouble. What is it about this theme or prompt that's thrown you off? At this stage, whilst using others can be invaluable in furthering your ideas, you have to have some foundation on which to build, and ultimately, you'll be on your own in the exam room, so developing a skillset for working through unfamiliar problems or concepts is more important than covering absolutely everything in a sophisticated way.

All the best!

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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #618 on: October 23, 2014, 02:23:29 pm »
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Thanks so much Lauren! The key players strategy is perfect and seems close to what I think I did on the SAC. That should sort me out for the exam - thanks for taking time to help us all out!

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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #619 on: October 23, 2014, 08:03:54 pm »
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Hi Lauren,
In desperate help here. For context, do you recommend memorising a piece? I find it very hard to write on the spot, i can plan and get my paragraph ideas. I don't know if i should memorise a piece in case the prompt is completely not what i'm expecting?? I looked at past vcaa ones, and if i was in the exam room, i'd be panicking a bit. i dont know the technqiue of "adapting" to the prompt and if you can share some advice on that, it'll be awesome! Thankyou :)

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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #620 on: October 23, 2014, 08:57:47 pm »
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Lauren's advice would be against memorising a piece. Not only has she stated her stance against this a few times, but there's also some issues with your suggestion.
1. If the prompt is not what you are expecting, then planning a piece would actually be the worst thing you could do. You'd plan a piece for a prompt that you were expecting (by definition of things that you 'are not expecting') and thus, if a prompt came up that you weren't expecting, you would be in an even worse position than normal.

2. If you don't know the technique of adapting to the prompt, then you're in a spot of bother when the prompt doesn't come out as exactly the same as the one your wrote on (which it most certainly won't). Truth me told - there's no technique of adapting the piece. If anyone had this 'technique', they would actually just be writing a normal piece within the shell of something that had been memorised :P.

The questions you should be asking are probably more centred around how you can get better at writing on the spot and what your specific troubles with that are! That's a better place to start! :)

Good luck, happy studies, and enjoy the rest of your night! :)
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« Reply #621 on: October 24, 2014, 11:39:53 am »
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For Text Response,

Do the arguments/paragraphs need to be in equal length?

My teacher emphasized the importance of writing equally long paragraphs for each point. However I've seen in the 'high scoring' responses in the Assesors Report, that there are responses with varying lengths for paragraphs, but they're all detailed.


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« Reply #622 on: October 24, 2014, 12:15:14 pm »
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Hi Lauren,

I'm struggling to write a text response introduction and would love your thoughts on this intro I have written, especially on whether it covers all the essential requirements of a good intro:

‘It is paternal love that unites the men of Ransom.’ Do you agree?
In Ransom, his lyrical reimagining of Homer’s Iliad, David Malouf humanises the great figures of semi-legend, creating an exploration of the significance of paternal love in uniting King Priam, his carter Somax and the Great Greek Warrior Achilles, amongst the relentless carnage of the Trojan War. Malouf considers the notion of these men being united as being synonymous with sharing an intrinsic connection of “fellow feeling” that is forged through the love that they hold for a dead son. Malouf shows that paternal love is the instigator of the journey which allows these men to be united and ultimately contributes to the ransom’s success. Malouf also substantiates that the shared grief of losing a son, experienced by Priam, Somax and Achilles, creates a unifying bond that inherently connects them. However, Malouf portrays Priam and Achilles as gaining a renewed understanding of paternal love, and by implication of humanity, and the rediscovery of one’s humanity is also a crucial factor that unites men. Ultimately, Malouf illustrates that paternal love acts as an instigator and as an emotional abyss that along with the rediscovery of one’s humanity, unites the men in Ransom.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!

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« Reply #623 on: October 24, 2014, 01:27:28 pm »
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Hi Lauren,

With structural questions for TRF, do you recommend establishing Hamid's purpose first to give your piece more direction?

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« Reply #624 on: October 24, 2014, 01:32:08 pm »
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Lauren's advice would be against memorising a piece. Not only has she stated her stance against this a few times, but there's also some issues with your suggestion.
1. If the prompt is not what you are expecting, then planning a piece would actually be the worst thing you could do. You'd plan a piece for a prompt that you were expecting (by definition of things that you 'are not expecting') and thus, if a prompt came up that you weren't expecting, you would be in an even worse position than normal.

2. If you don't know the technique of adapting to the prompt, then you're in a spot of bother when the prompt doesn't come out as exactly the same as the one your wrote on (which it most certainly won't). Truth me told - there's no technique of adapting the piece. If anyone had this 'technique', they would actually just be writing a normal piece within the shell of something that had been memorised :P.

The questions you should be asking are probably more centred around how you can get better at writing on the spot and what your specific troubles with that are! That's a better place to start! :)

Good luck, happy studies, and enjoy the rest of your night! :)
In terms of planning, i meant during the exam, the 5-10 minutes of planning, i am able to get my paragraph ideas but struggle to write the piece.

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« Reply #625 on: October 24, 2014, 03:22:20 pm »
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for the VCAA 2008 language analysis:
can you please give me some tips just to get me going?

- ‘Why waste out Saturdays with louts like these? Faced with sports rage, good parents won’t come anymore and coaches will hang up their whistles’- I was trying to analyse the ‘hang up their whistles bit’ – obviously it is colloquial and alludes to some form of imagery, but the effect on readers I’m not quite sure.

- I’m analysing the image and I realised that the donkey is oversized compared to everything else (possibly with the exception of the empire). I get the significance of using a donkey… it’s not an animal that is often depicted in a positive light… known as ‘jackass’ etc… but being over sized…

- also from the image - the quote/speech thing that the guy says?

Please and thank you

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« Reply #626 on: October 24, 2014, 03:44:20 pm »
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Hi,

Am I able to answer the prompt for whose reality in an expository form for two paragraphs, then write an imaginative but make it seem like an anecdote? Like could I talk about being a heroin addict and being unable to tell the difference between what is real, and what is imagined.

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« Reply #627 on: October 24, 2014, 06:56:39 pm »
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kawfee:
You should aim to make your paragraphs about equal. Although the assessors won't bother counting the words or anything, it can make your arguments seem unbalanced to have a paragraph on guilt that's a page long, and then one on relationships that's only a few lines.
The examples in the Assessor's Report are usually just good examples of one specific thing (eg. the ones you've looked at might just have really good quote integration, or well-formulated views and values sentences.) In fact, they try not to publish all-round 'perfect' examples of everything lest people start coming up with pre-planned essays or structures. Take them with a grain of salt; you could potentially get full marks with unbalanced structure, but your analysis would have to be damned good to justify it, so make it easy on yourself and just aim for roughly equal paragraph length.

mnewin:
Don't mistake my anti-pre-planning stance with an anti-preparedness stance :) You can have familiar arguments, but the idea is to have more than you need at your disposal, that way you're modifying the most relevant ideas and not going in thinking 'these are the three things I'm going to write about, no matter the prompt.' Transpose this logic onto another subject and you can see how illogical it is: 'I'm going to write 14 for the first question on the methods exam, since I did that on a practice piece and it got full marks, so I'll jsut adapt it to the question.'
No one's expecting you to totally revolutionise how humanity views a concept like conflict or identity, but you should endeavour to engage with the prompt rather than write something you think sounds more sophisticated. If you need extra time planning then by all means take it, just make sure you have time to finish your piece. There's some advice for planning linked to the first page of this thread if you need.

tiff_tiff:
There's little point me giving you 'tips to get started' with less than a week before the exams. If you want help with your planning or annotation techniques then you should be working on that. If it's only these points that are giving you grief, ignore the really minor ones, or else just write what you think is right and see what your teacher, or the 2008 Assessor's Report. Your own ability to work through these issues when they arise is more important at this stage than getting a single essay up to a perfect standard.

AmericanBeauty:
I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, but I'd say a better idea would be to alternate your paragraphs between expository and creative writing, rather than having two separate pieces run together. Otherwise, you could use the anecdote as a bookending reference in the intro and conclusion, then spend most of your time unpicking the prompt in an expository format.

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« Reply #628 on: October 24, 2014, 07:08:53 pm »
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Excuse my punctuation and spelling mistakes/lack of care in the following message as I am really getting nervous and cannot be bothered.

Is language analysis all things being equal, just about being in a state of pure homoeostasis and meditation which ceases the nerves? Really just depends on what the article is, how nervous one is, and whether words can pop up in the brain ('ing' words), and just making it up as much as possible in terms of the effect on the reader. As no-one knows what the hell the author really wants to do, you can make a logical guess (e.g. pursuit of justice) but this has many connotations. E.g. is it just to make the article more pristine and professional or is it really a didactic complication. Of course, I'd presume one would go with the latter, as the examiner might think your being a "smart-arse" (SORRY ABOUT EXPRESSION I HATE IT AT THE MOMENT, GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE).................... (excessive ellipses because I don't know why) just for effect...

I also put in way too many commas, and stop my sentences on purpose even though it doesn't make sense to, just to "re-load" and pause. I also change my words around just purely because I cannot spell them, like an internal thesaurus.

Also I am scared of the 'reader' + specific audience overlap, as if one uses them interchangeably it is avoiding repetition, but using both avoids consistency. And just using one, shows the examiner that you haven't supposedly 'studied enough' to understand the lingo of a language analysis.
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« Reply #629 on: October 24, 2014, 08:05:15 pm »
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Hi Lauren,

What's your stance on introductions and conclusions for text response? My teacher suggested that we need not do the classic "state your comtentionand outline your three arguments" for an introduction because he thinks this is too formulaic and examiners do not like formulaic responses. Similarly for conclusions, he said that you need not have a formal "conclusion" where you sort of "sum up" your ideas of the text response. He said you still need to bring discussion to a close, but it doesn't have to be in this way.

I've practice what he suggested, but I don't know whether examiners have a preference for introductions and conclusions? Would I get penalised if I do what my teacher suggested?