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Coalition considers fee deregulation
« on: April 26, 2014, 09:53:43 pm »
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Not sure if anyone has read the articles popping up in the news over the last few days. The Go8 have been pushing for fee deregulation for a while now and it seems that the government is considering plans to lift or abolish the cap currently placed on domestic university places:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-23/federal-government-considers-uni-funding-shakeup/5405252

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/tough-task-in-higher-learning-20140425-379k6.html

Is this the beginning of the end for affordable university places?

This seems tough to stomach for me. Every sign points to a US-style education system where the user pays and if you can't afford it, bad luck. I would hope that the prospect of a backlash from the electorate will stay their hand from anything too drastic, but I wonder would even be one? The older I get, the more cynical I become...

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Re: Coalition considers fee deregulation
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2014, 12:38:58 am »
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This is the agenda of the Abbott government, the liberal party and the modern right as a whole (more freedom is good right?). It's often said one of the greatest tricks the right ever pulled was to convince the average person to vote against their own interests. Many people today had a discount (or indeed, if you were around in the right era, free) university education and yet, they vote in such a way to deny others this (i've got mine, screw everyone else!).

The universities always tend to be on the side of deregulating anything. Sometimes its good, regulations can be stifling and restrict their ability to operate. Often though, those regulations and government controls are in place for a reason, to ensure quality education is produced and their operating in a scrupulous manner. |

You mention user pays but our education system is already user pays! It varies in how much you pay granted but it ranges from ~30%-80% of your degree. The government picks up a slice and you put the rest on your HECs debt. They simply want to bleed you for more cash. The current system is great because a degree is the same cost no matter where you take it. I remember many people having false notions that UoM was more expensive when i did VCE. In Australia, no one should avoid a university education simply because of the cost and they lack the means. Even if it goes on a HECs debt, it simply means you'll wind up with a mountain of debt.

They apparently need the money but at many universities, education cuts are being made left, right and centre. Take Monash, (like many other uni's) units are being cut, tutorials are being eliminated in favour of less costly alternatives and more. Yet,  capital works like pretty gardens and paths are at an all time high.

We really are seeing the Americanisation of our universities. Universities in the USA tend to be much more prettier and expansive, not that this matters much for education of course but it matters heaps for prestige. Prestige is important when you demand a higher fee as well. You end up with a vicious cycle of where you need to do things like this to charge a higher fee but to charge a higher fee you need to spend money to build up your prestige. Many USA universities have large, well funded sport teams or even arenas and that kind of thing. It would be a real shame if we see a focus on shallow things like that here rather than quality education.

It's a bit rich coming from the generation that got their education for fee (including Abbott). You'd think there'd be backlash but i wouldn't be so sure. A lot of people not in universities wont care heaps about this change. Indeed, some people even believe the ideology behind this and actively lobby for these kind of harmful changes, they think its a good thing. The final thing i'm concerned about here is a slippery slope. Once you open the flood gates and uni's get all this extra cash, it will be very very hard to get the cat back in the bag. They'll only charge more and more as well. Keep in mind since students aren't paying for it out of pocket but on HECs, they aren't very price sensitive either. So, you'll have a lot of people racking up massive debts and actually taking up the outrageous prices.

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Re: Coalition considers fee deregulation
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2014, 10:19:05 am »
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This is the agenda of the Abbott government, the liberal party and the modern right as a whole (more freedom is good right?).

I disagree with these changes but this is a harsh generalisation.
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Re: Coalition considers fee deregulation
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2014, 10:42:37 am »
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Could the Federal Government (in its bid to try cut spending) at least keep fees regulated whilst decreasing the government contribution, if cutting spending is their supposed reason for doing this?

Seems to me that fee deregulation is simply a covert means to perpetuate intergenerational privilege rather than trying to balance the budget and push it back into surplus.

Sure, the universities may potentially be more prestigious and all, but that'd be quite useless to the general public, who would not be able to access such prestige. Such prestige would be reserved for the "upper class" only. Prestige means nothing when you can't supply it to the hard-working intelligent Australian.
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Re: Coalition considers fee deregulation
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2014, 12:14:06 pm »
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>covert means to perpetuate intergenerational privilege

come on son

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Re: Coalition considers fee deregulation
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2014, 03:34:27 pm »
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I disagree with these changes but this is a harsh generalisation.

Instead of just stating it's a generalisation. Why don't you provide examples/evidence which proves your view?
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Re: Coalition considers fee deregulation
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2014, 08:59:30 pm »
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Instead of just stating it's a generalisation. Why don't you provide examples/evidence which proves your view?

I don't support any political party; in my opinion Labor and Liberal are just as bad as each other, (the Greens are even worse).
Anyway, the way I read slothpomba's post, I felt he was implying that the agenda of Conservatives is to entrench social disadvantage, which I feel is overly harsh. Maybe the Liberals are not as keen on welfare etc., but I don't think they actively try to screw over poor people.

I apologise if I misinterpreted the post.
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Re: Coalition considers fee deregulation
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2014, 09:04:26 pm »
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I don't support any political party; in my opinion Labor and Liberal are just as bad as each other, (the Greens are even worse).
Exactly, Palmer United should form a majority :P.

In all seriousness though, if people can't attend university because it isn't affordable, then the system is wrong. Anybody should have access to higher education if they desire it.
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Re: Coalition considers fee deregulation
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2014, 10:07:30 pm »
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I don't support any political party; in my opinion Labor and Liberal are just as bad as each other, (the Greens are even worse).
Anyway, the way I read slothpomba's post, I felt he was implying that the agenda of Conservatives is to entrench social disadvantage, which I feel is overly harsh. Maybe the Liberals are not as keen on welfare etc., but I don't think they actively try to screw over poor people.

I apologise if I misinterpreted the post.

Ah fair enough. I agree with you, I know several liberal members including having had some contact with someone who is a current MP, and in my experience, they are decent people whose aim is not to create disadvantage, they just have a different philosophy to others.
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Re: Coalition considers fee deregulation
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Exactly, Palmer United should form a majority :P.

In all seriousness though, if people can't attend university because it isn't affordable, then the system is wrong. Anybody should have access to higher education if they desire it.

I completely agree. (except maybe the bit about Palmer, it would be pretty funny for the first year, but then probably quite embarrassing on the world stage.)
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Re: Coalition considers fee deregulation
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2014, 11:13:04 pm »
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I don't support any political party; in my opinion Labor and Liberal are just as bad as each other, (the Greens are even worse).
Anyway, the way I read slothpomba's post, I felt he was implying that the agenda of Conservatives is to entrench social disadvantage, which I feel is overly harsh. Maybe the Liberals are not as keen on welfare etc., but I don't think they actively try to screw over poor people.

I apologise if I misinterpreted the post.
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Re: Coalition considers fee deregulation
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2014, 12:54:25 am »
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To be honest, it's not the universities' fault here. They lose money on every domestic students, as a means to encourage them to recoup their losses by attracting more internationals. The government won't pay to close the funding gap for domestic students, and so the extra money has to come through charging domestic students higher fees.

Basically: Blame the government, not the universities.

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Re: Coalition considers fee deregulation
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2014, 04:22:40 pm »
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Good read.

Of course, the issue with what Davis is saying is that the universities have done absolutely nothing to oppose the cuts. If they threw their weight around the Student-NTEU demonstrations, things might've looked different.

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Re: Coalition considers fee deregulation
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2014, 05:29:19 pm »
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Why are the Greens worse?

In MY opinion, many of the Green's policies are hopelessly idealistic and flawed. For example, they want to cut greenhouse gas emissions (and I do too), but they completely oppose nuclear power, despite nuclear power plants being extremely safe and also the fact that we have abundant uranium resources for creating this clean power. They also oppose construction of hydro-electric dams, another clean power source. They have many policies which will all cost a lot of money, and I'm not sure where they'll get the $$$ from.
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In MY opinion, many of the Green's policies are hopelessly idealistic and flawed. For example, they want to cut greenhouse gas emissions (and I do too), but they completely oppose nuclear power, despite nuclear power plants being extremely safe and also the fact that we have abundant uranium resources for creating this clean power. They also oppose construction of hydro-electric dams, another clean power source. They have many policies which will all cost a lot of money, and I'm not sure where they'll get the $$$ from.
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